Friday, March 11, 2011

Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part Two

Below is the second installment of a four-part dossier about Muslim immigration written by El Inglés. This series was originally published as a single dossier in pdf format under the pseudonym “Pike Bishop”.

Part One is available here.

Immigrants at Heathrow

A Consideration of Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part Two
By Pike Bishop

III. In Praise of Discrimination

Many readers of this document will agree with some reasonable amount of the cost-benefit analysis in the previous section, but will already be feeling that there is little, if anything, to be done about it. To be sure, Muslims seem to be a hopeless case in every way. But surely there is nothing to be done? After all, it is the 21st century. We are good people. We have moved beyond discrimination. We are nice to small animals. Some of us even keep track of our carbon emissions. Could such a morally elevated people as the British simply keep Muslims out of the UK?

Our answer is that that, or some minor variation upon it, is exactly what needs to be done. We need to keep out Muslims as Muslims, because they are Muslims, and we should make no bones about it. Discriminating against Muslims in this regard is essential if our society is to survive the next few decades in anything even approximating its current form.

Once our cost-benefit analysis has determined that it is actively detrimental to the interests of the British people to allow ever more Muslims into the UK, we are driven to conclude that Muslim immigration needs to shut down by whatever means possible, as soon as possible. However, this will require us to create a conceptual box labelled ‘Muslim,’ decide who fits in it, and essentially bar everyone who is in the ‘Muslim’ box. What this means is that we must discriminate against Muslims on the basis of their religious affiliation, and as we perceive it, not as they describe it.

Having arrived at this conclusion, there are two preliminary discussions to be had: a justification of discrimination of this sort, and a consideration of the analytical difficulty involved in identifying Muslims. Let us address these problems in turn.

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What justifies this discrimination?

Given that advocating discrimination against Muslims as Muslims leaves one slightly further outside of polite society than Grendel’s mother, we will need to spend some time here explaining exactly why we feel justified in doing so.

One can insist that any and all discrimination of the sort we advocate would constitute an evil, but one cannot thereby change Muslims into something they are not, or alter the effects their continued influxes will have on Britain and the British. And we insist that to continue to allow vast numbers of Muslims into the UK, to allow them to suck huge amounts of financial and social capital out of the British people, degrade their country, colonize their cities, and turn Britain into a ticking time bomb of mutual sectarian hatred on a scale to dwarf the Troubles, would be a far greater evil than the evil of simply keeping non-British people out of Britain when it is not in our interests for them to be allowed in. In the final analysis, Britain is either the country of the British people, or it is an arbitrary geographical container into which all the people of the world must be allowed to flow, irrespective of the consequences for the people who built the society therein. Those who consider it to be the latter should make their position clear in this regard, so that British patriots who do not wish to see their country disintegrate can react accordingly.

Of course, there will be some who argue that such measures could not be implemented, as they would infringe, in some fashion, on the rights of Muslims inside Britain, outside Britain, or both. In the long term, however, it will avail such people little to make such weak and foolish arguments. If we wish to avert the Islam-induced national implosion that lies along the path we are walking at present, we will have to disrupt the causal chains that threaten to bring this outcome about. If disrupting these chains requires us to do things that the self-appointed moral arbiters of our times decide have crossed some line in the sand that only they, in all their wisdom, can discern, then we will be forced to make a choice. On the one hand, we can choose to respect Muslims’ human rights as formulated and defined by this ‘elite,’ and watch our society descend into murderous tribal violence. On the other hand, we can insist that if the destruction of Britain as we know it is implicit in the ‘rights’ of Muslims, then those supposed rights will simply have to be disregarded, along with the entire pathological discourse that tries to force them down our throats.

Does anyone seriously believe that the British will continue, in perpetuity, to shrug their shoulders and agree to having their towns and cities colonized by Muslim peoples who are criminal and parasitic at best, and treasonous at worst? A wave of anti-Islamic feeling is sweeping Europe, a wave which is a direct, sensible, and entirely appropriate response to the characteristics of Islam and Muslims, and which can only grow taller with time if the problems this despicable religion and its adherents create are not dealt with. Of course, a country led by Little Lord Fauntleroy and His Favourite Joke is clearly rather a long way from generating any political will at all in this regard. However, we must do what we can. The explicitly anti-Islamic, anti-Muslim-immigration waves building around Western Europe in general are bound to crash onto the UK’s shores eventually. We await their approach with bated breath, and hope to hasten their arrival by even a day.

It is worth reminding readers that we already discriminate against or in favour of different groups of foreign nationals on the basis of their country of origin. The French are free to enter Britain without visas, stay as long as they like, and work in any job they can find. The Japanese are free to enter, visa-free, for periods of up to three months at a time, but cannot work during that time. The Nigerians are kept at arm’s length, and must jump through various hoops before being granted any sort of visa at all. Despite the common claim that to discriminate against people over characteristics that they have no control over (such as country of origin) is the greatest moral infringement imaginable in everyday life, our immigration authorities do it every day, and will doubtless continue to do so, for the simple reason that they have no choice in the matter.

Allowing Nigerians into the UK on the same basis as the Japanese would result in a massive flood of Nigerians entering on three-month tourist visas and mysteriously failing to ever leave, unless thrown out by the UK Border Agency. They would mysteriously relocate, and we would mysteriously notice large populations of mysterious Nigerians everywhere we looked. This is too obvious a point to be worth expanding upon, but the lesson we learn from it is of great importance: all governments will discriminate flatly and unapologetically when they realize that they have to. As such, the question is not whether Muslim immigration will eventually be prohibited, or curtailed to a point where it barely takes place at all. We guarantee that this will happen eventually. The question is whether or not our political class comes to its senses and musters the necessary political will before or after the UK Muslim population becomes so large as to render impossible any peaceful resolution to the threat it poses to our country. This point will be expanded upon in a later section, and, indeed, a subsequent document.

Of course, there will be many who believe that banning Muslim immigration outright would be unnecessary. Could we not simply be more selective as to whom exactly we allowed in? Granted, allowing unending streams of primitive South Asian Muslim peasants to colonize the urban UK through family reunion immigration might not be the greatest political innovation of the post-War period. But surely, even if family reunion immigration had to be severely, if not entirely, cut back, there would be no reason to curtail other Muslim influxes? Could we not still allow carefully screened Muslims in on student visas, working visas, or the like?

The answer to this question is no, but understanding why this should be so requires us to abandon certain false and misleading notions of exactly why Islam is a threat to us. Islam is not a threat because some tiny fraction of its adherents are ‘extremists,’ or even ‘violent extremists.’ Islam is a threat because Muslims are over-represented with respect to four pernicious behaviours: they are disproportionately criminal, disproportionately parasitic, disproportionately subversive and disproportionately seditious. Criminal, parasitic, subversive, and seditious people will exist in all potential immigrant populations, but this is not the point. The point is that such people exist in such large concentrations in Muslim populations as to make them unassimilable and unsupportable in the long term. As such, we would need at the very least a decision-making algorithm that allowed us to avoid concentrations of people with these characteristics and focus on the non-problematic part of the potential Muslim immigrant population. However, no such algorithm exists, and no such algorithm can exist.

Unscreened family reunion immigration obviously cannot result in only screened Muslims coming to the UK as it constitutes, by its very nature, an influx of people selected by Muslims in the UK in line with their interests, not by UK immigration authorities in line with the interests of the British people. But what about potential influxes of qualified professionals drawn from the ranks of the Pakistani people? Could a Pakistani electronic engineer not be allowed to come to the UK on a work visa? The answer to this question is no, for the following reason: though it may be possible to screen Muslims for criminality and parasitism, it is not possible to screen them for subversive or seditious tendencies. Qualified electronic engineers are unlikely to engage in much benefit fraud or purse-snatching, but there is no way of determining whether they would like to do away with freedom of speech in the service of Islam, or blow up the Tube if they disapprove of British military participation in Iraq. What are we going to do to determine their positions on these matters? Just ask them, and expect them to tell the truth?

Even if we could perform this task to a satisfactory extent, our difficulties would not have come to an end. If we could gain a sufficiently detailed picture of the psyche of a given prospective Muslim immigrant, we would still not know: a) whether they would retain all of their attitudes in key regards, or b) whether their descendants would be like their parents or, instead, become ‘radicalized’ as young Muslims seem to have such an alarming tendency to do. If we cannot devise an algorithm for determining the current characteristics of a given Muslim, how probable is it that we would be able to devise an equivalent algorithm for what that Muslim would be in ten years’ time, or what their descendants would be in 20, 50, or 100 years’ time?[18]

Of course, we would not be able to devise equivalent screening algorithms for, for example, Sikhs either. But we do not need to be able to devise these algorithms for Sikhs because several decades of Sikh immigration have shown us that Sikhs are a people who can integrate and have integrated into British society without any particular problems for either side. Nothing could be further from the case with Muslims, who have proven the exact opposite. Accordingly, they must all be excluded unless exceptional reasons exist for allowing in exceptional individuals.

Who is a Muslim?

Having explained why we would feel entirely justified in barring Muslims from the UK as Muslims, we must now address some of the practical issues involved in doing so. The notion that Western countries might soon have to simply start keeping Muslims out as Muslims has started to crop up with enough regularity to induce at least some to sally forth in response with their own objections to the very feasibility of the idea. Absurd, they tell us. Keeping out Muslims? How would we do that? Just ask people if they’re Muslims or not? And what if they say no, what then? What would we do with ‘secular’ Muslims, or ‘cultural’ Muslims? What would we do with people from, for example, India? Look at their names? How reliable would that be? What is a Muslim? And so on and so forth.

This confusion is common, but can be cleared up quite easily. It stems from asking philosophical questions where one should be asking practical questions. One need only look at our criminal justice system and the operations of our courts to understand the basic contours of the solution to the problem. Essentially, our court system is a method for trying to identify the guilty as being guilty, and the innocent as being innocent, and trying not to identify the guilty as being innocent or the innocent as being guilty. What that means is that there are four possible outcomes to each trial (ignoring mistrials and other such subtleties):

  • True positives (defendant: guilty, verdict: guilty)
  • False positives (defendant: innocent, verdict: guilty)
  • True negatives (defendant: innocent, verdict: not guilty)
  • False negatives (defendant: guilty, verdict: not guilty)

True positive and true negative are correct verdicts, and false positive and false negative are incorrect verdicts. Given that no system of verdicts will be infallible, we must accept that both false types of verdict will be delivered at least some of the time. The crucial point is to understand that there is an inescapable trade-off between the false positives and the false negatives. If we devise our system to make false positives less likely, we will make false negatives more likely, and vice versa. There is no way around this.

We can ensure that no false positive ever arises by insisting that courts always acquit defendants, and that no false negative ever arises by insisting that courts always convict. But if both of these rather unsatisfactory states of affairs are to be avoided, we will have to accept a trade-off between the two types of incorrect verdict. In the British criminal justice system, the onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt because we believe that it is better that the guilty should walk free than that the innocent should go to prison. This is another way of saying that we consider false positives to be a greater evil than false negatives.

If we aimed to stop Muslims from coming to the UK, all we would have to do would be to devise a system analogous to (though not, one imagines, operationally similar to) the system our courts utilise in determining guilt or innocence.[19] Our four outcomes would now look like this:

  • True positives (defendant: Muslim, verdict: Muslim)
  • False positives (defendant: Infidel, verdict: Muslim)
  • True negatives (defendant: Infidel, verdict: Infidel)
  • False negatives (defendant: Muslim, verdict: Infidel)

Now we have a system analogous to the court process outlined above, where the ‘prosecution’ (immigration officers) is trying to establish that potential visitors to the UK are ‘guilty’ of being Muslim and the defendants (potential visitors) are trying to establish that they are innocent of this heinous offence. How onerous we make the task of proving this simply depends on whether we are more inclined to accept the system spitting out false positives or false negatives. If, as would certainly be the case, we were more worried by the prospect of false negatives (Muslims slipping through the net) than the prospect of false positives (wrongly keeping out people who are not Muslims), then we set only a weak burden of proof on the ‘prosecution.’ It really is that simple.

What evidence would be brought to bear on the matter? Country of origin, name, appearance (clothing, etc.), and direct questioning. If one were to discern after a period of time that, for example, too many Indonesian Muslims pretending to be Christians were slipping through, then regulations with respect to such people would simply be tightened, and deportations of actual Muslims accelerated.

The key point is that our definition of Muslim will be functional, not theological. We do not need to get involved in the interminable and frequently fratricidal Muslim squabbles as to who is a true Muslim and who is not. We only need to employ functionally useful broad-brush definitions that will serve to keep out those peoples who have proven, over multiple generations of immigration into Britain, that they should not be allowed in any more, whilst imposing minimal inconvenience on others. It can hardly be beyond the wit of the entire UK Border Agency to determine with acceptable accuracy who is a Muslim and who is not.

IV. Pakistanis, Positive Feedback, and Alligators

There are certain key dynamics underlying the growth of the Muslim population of the UK, dynamics that must be understood before one can really have the slightest idea of just how serious the problem is. We will use the Pakistani population of the UK as a proxy for the entire UK Muslim population here, so as to avoid having to operate in a purely abstract fashion. Being the largest, longest-established, and most psychopathic Muslim population in the country, it is ideal for our purposes.

It goes without saying that the matters we are about to discuss are extremely delicate, and that all decent and responsible people will treat with them with the very greatest of sensitivity. So, broadsword in hand, woad applied, and bloodthirsty battle cry issuing forth, let us storm the enemy citadel and burn it to the ground, slaying all we chance upon.

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Pakistanis originate from a country called Pakistan. Readers may have heard of this country. Contrary to what some may think when they first learn of it, it is not some dystopian fantasy dreamed up by an artful hoaxer testing whether people would actually believe it exists. It does exist. Let us describe it briefly here.

Pakistan, as we understand it today, came into existence in a two-stage process. In 1947, British India was partitioned into three parts, but two countries: India and the Dominion of Pakistan, which consisted of both modern-day Pakistan and modern-day Bangladesh. This process of partition was extremely bloody, resulting as it did in the deaths of up to a million people, many of them in the historic region of the Punjab, which was split between India and Pakistan. Even bloodier was the civil war fought between West Pakistan (i.e. today’s Pakistan) and East Pakistan (i.e. today’s Bangladesh) in 1971 as East Pakistan, ethnically, culturally and linguistically distinct, sought to free itself from an oppressive relationship with its western half. This conflict included what was perhaps the largest genocide since the Holocaust, in which as many as three million people[20] in Bangladesh (mainly Hindus and the Bengali educated classes) were exterminated in cold blood by the army of West Pakistan and associated militias. No one has ever been brought to justice for these events, and, as far as we can discern, there has never been any sense of guilt or contrition amongst the Pakistani public at large for the actions of their country in this regard.[21]

In the forty years since, Pakistan itself has undergone a huge transition. A Muslim hellhole in 1971, it is now a Muslim hellhole with nuclear weapons. Pressing hard on the heels of such distinguished members of the family of nations as Somalia, Chad, and Afghanistan, Pakistan was rated as the 10th most failed state in existence in 2010 by Foreign Policy’s Failed States Index.[22] Despite stiff competition from Haiti (the 11th most failed state) and Ivory Coast (the 12th most failed state), the Pakistanis succeeded in ensuring their country a continued presence in the Top Ten. If the country and its people excel at all, they seem to do so mainly in the fields of political assassination, persecution of religious minorities, disintegration of the rule of law, and general Islamic lunacy. Readers who wish to know more about Pakistan are invited to investigate it further, if they think they can stomach it.

The debate about Muslim integration thunders on around us throughout Europe and beyond, and we do not propose to add much to it here. We take it as given that integration of the Pakistani population of the UK must be considered a severe failure in the aggregate, in every sense of the word integration. Pakistanis in the UK stand out, predictably, for their criminality, violence, socioeconomic underperformance, parasitism, poverty, terrorism, subversion, and ideological hostility to the British state, people, and way of life. If the Pakistani population of the UK could not or would not integrate when it numbered only in the thousands or tens of thousands, back in the 50s and 60s, when Pakistanis were forced, for brute demographic reasons, to effectively swim in a sea of Britons, how can it be expected to integrate now, when it numbers over one million souls, when it has taken over vast swathes of the urban UK, when it has obtained substantial political influence, when Pakistanis can spend their entire lives quite comfortably without having to learn any substantial amount of English, when the authorities fall over themselves to mollify them and other parts of the Muslim population, and when a very significant, and ever-increasing, degree of political polarization, residential segregation, and sectarian hostility now exists between them and the British themselves? Is this a strong foundation for integration, or for mutually enriching coexistence?

We submit that if a man cannot lift a car over his head, then he will certainly not be able to lift two cars over his head, for a task that cannot be completed by a given actor when it is easy will not be found to be possible when it is more difficult. So it is with Muslims and the interminable discussion surrounding their integration―that horse has bolted. Muslim integration is now impossible. The most pressing question for the British people, and, as it happens, for the UK Muslim population itself, is not how to integrate ever-greater numbers of unassimilable, hostile, and unproductive adherents of an inherently seditious religion, but whether there can continue to be a place in this country for any significant number of Muslims at all, even that small fraction of the UK Muslim population that actually deserves to be here. And the answer to this question will depend on how the entire mindless fiasco of Muslim immigration is brought to a halt.

It should go without saying that very many of the people living in a country like Pakistan would rather be somewhere else, which is to say that, having so utterly fouled their own nest, they wish to escape it. Britain is one such potential destination. Pakistanis have been allowed to create a large diaspora in Britain through a) labour immigration in the 50s and 60s, and b) family reunion immigration from 1971, when the Immigration Act 1971 was introduced. This latter mechanism was substantially expanded when Labour came to power in 1997.

If the British state creates, as it has created, a mechanism whereby immigrants to Britain can bring other immigrants to Britain from their countries of origin, then it is effectively signing our long-term demographic future over to those people. This is the crux of the matter. Britain cannot allow the population of a disintegrating canker like Pakistan to continue to pull itself across the world and into Britain by its own bootstraps and expect to avoid an existential crisis as a result. Yet family reunion immigration is a mechanism that allows it to do just that. We must turn our attention to it in slightly more detail now, as it lies at the heart of our dilemma.

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The growth of the Muslim community in the UK is largely dependent on two things: a) its higher fertility rates, and b) family reunion immigration. These two phenomena reinforce each other, and, taken together, constitute a clear and present danger to the future of this country.

We understand the basic rationale behind allowing family reunion immigration in some form. Imagine a British man going on a summer holiday to, say, Mongolia, and meeting and falling in love with a Mongolian woman. The relationship blossoms and eventually ends in marriage, and the couple decide to live together in the UK. If there exists no mechanism whereby the Mongolian partner can settle in the UK, then the British partner either has to leave Britain to be with her, or he has to abandon his newfound love. This state of affairs would generally be considered unsatisfactory by all parties, including the British government, and it is for this reason that family reunion immigration exists in Britain, and presumably every other normal country as well (excluding places like North Korea, which are outside the scope of this essay).

Now this is all well and good, and no one but the most zealous ethnic nationalist would oppose it on the grounds of wanting to keep out ‘Mongolian blood.’ But the reason we can be relatively unconcerned about this type of family reunion immigration is that its effects will constitute a diffusion of people into Britain which has two characteristics: a) it is slow, and b) it is essentially random. If it loses these characteristics, to wit, if it becomes a) rapid, and b) dominated by hostile and unassimilable groups, then it becomes a fast-track to civil war. Muslim family reunion immigration has both of these characteristics, and therefore constitutes an existential threat to the continued existence of any country worthy of still being called Britain. We must stop pretending that a white British man applying for his Bolivian wife to be allowed into the UK and a second-generation Pakistani man applying for his Pakistani first-cousin bride to be allowed into the UK are essentially two variations on the same theme. They are not. The former is what family reunion immigration was formulated to accommodate, whereas the latter is simply a facilitator of the Pakistani colonization of Britain. To rephrase, family reunion immigration, in the context of ‘our’ Pakistani population, is akin to a one-way trans-dimensional wormhole via which Pakistanis, in effect, stumble across into our universe, where, by and large, they retain the cultural characteristics and general mindset they had in Pakistan. In essence, it is a mechanism for recreating Pakistan in microcosm up, down and across the UK with a very high degree of fidelity.

The key dynamics underlying this slow-motion catastrophe for the British people are not difficult to understand. A presentation of the key facts can be found at the website of Migration Watch, the last truly sane organization in Britain.[23] According to Migration Watch:

As late as 2001, it was estimated that 60% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi marriages in Bradford were with a spouse from the country of origin. The percentages in Manchester and Birmingham are likely to be similar. This therefore increases the rate of household formation and the size of families and thus creates a very rapid change in the composition of the population of the areas in which they live.

And we have the following with respect to fertility rates amongst these populations:

But, in addition, there has been continued migration from Pakistan and the fertility rates of women born in Pakistan are high. In 1991 for the UK-born population as a whole it was 1.8 in comparison with 4.8 for Pakistan- born mothers. In 2001 the corresponding rates were 1.6 and 4.7.

Migration Watch also mentions that:

This may explain why, in 2002, the Home Secretary called for ‘a discussion to be had within these communities [from the Indian Sub-Continent] that continue the practice of arranged marriages as to whether more of these could be undertaken within the settled community here’

Behold your tax revenues at work. If ‘these communities’ were interested in undertaking more of these marriages within the settled community, would they not already be doing so? Did the Home Secretary of the time (David Blunkett) not have the wit to see that there was no way on Earth these communities would willingly do so? Could he not imagine just what a status difference there must be back in Pakistan or Bangladesh if one’s son or daughter is a British citizen and therefore constitutes a stepping stone to the UK for any potential spouse? Could he not see that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis might think that the more rapid the growth of their respective communities in the UK, the greater their political influence in Britain, and the better served their interests? Did he also ask murderers to stop murdering people, and drug dealers to stop dealing drugs?

Suggesting that people refrain from engaging in activities that they are freely allowed to engage in and that are massively in their interests is the province of fools. If family reunion immigration on the part of Muslims is to be reduced, it will have to be reduced via legislation making it impossible, and it would strain credulity to breaking point to suggest that the Muslim populations thereby affected would do anything but oppose the legislation in question. This is a tribal conflict of interests between the British and their thoroughly unwanted accumulations of Muslims.

Bad though all of this is, it is made worse by the fact that Pakistani- or Bangladeshi-born mothers have, as was alluded to above, much higher fertility rates than anyone else in the UK, including British-born Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. The at-least partial convergence of fertility rates that would be expected between the native British on the one hand and British-born Pakistanis/Bangladeshis on the other is thus substantially reduced. In other words, fertility rates for these communities remain, on balance, substantially higher than for the native British. This, acting in concert with the artificially elevated rate of household formation brought about by family reunion immigration, pushes the growth rate of the Muslim population up to its current suicidal and unsustainable level.

This demographic takeover of our country has been underway for decades, is taking place right now, and will continue until it is stopped. According to an article in The Times in January 2009:[24]

The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.

The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.

Experts said that the increase was attributable to immigration, a higher birthrate and conversions to Islam during the period of 2004-2008, when the data was gathered. They said that it also suggested a growing willingness among believers to describe themselves as Muslims because the western reaction to war and terrorism had strengthened their sense of identity.

To top off the madness, we are steadily extending the franchise to most of these people! As the scale of the disaster that is Muslim immigration slowly dawns on us in Britain, and among other European peoples as well, so too does our ability to address it via democratic politics decline in direct proportion to the fraction of the electorate that becomes Muslim. For there is no way that Muslims can be expected to support policies that reduce their ability and the ability of their extended tribes to suck as much blood out of Britain as is humanly possible. Are people so hopelessly tribal as to marry their children off to their nephews and nieces expected to have such a strong sense of civic loyalty to Britain that they will a) recognize the degrading and destructive influence they are within it, and b) move to shut down further influxes of people just like them, to whose interests they attach an overwhelming tribal importance? Extending voting rights to hostile aliens with no concern for Britain or the British is a stupidity we will come to rue all the more with every passing year.

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The above analysis will not be everyone’s cup of tea, number-heavy as it is. So let us make the point slightly differently for the benefit of those who prefer explanations that contain strong visual imagery. The Pakistani community of the UK is akin to an alligator that we flushed down the toilet back in the 1970s, an alligator we shall call Ali. Ali the alligator had been fun while he was small and cute, but we all grow up eventually, so down the toilet he went when we felt we had grown out of him. For us, out of sight, out of mind. But not for Ali. No, Ali had his own plans, deep down there in his ickle-wickle alligator brain. Unnoticed by the human world, he eked out an existence in the sewer, and, more to the point, he grew, and grew, and grew some more.

Now Ali has started chewing people up, and we, the hapless protagonists of this drama, are trying to figure out what is happening. Examining one set of rotting remains after another, a hypothesis forms. Disbelieving at first, we edge towards the truth whilst scarcely believing it ourselves. Eventually the evidence is incontrovertible. It is Ali that is reducing the life expectancy of sewage maintenance personnel so dramatically, and we are going to have to deal with him somehow. The problem is that, by the time we get around to realizing this, he has grown so big that ‘dealing’ with him is a grotesquely violent process for all concerned, particularly for Ali, who ends up having a stick of dynamite inserted up each nostril and being blown to smithereens.

In other European countries, brave men and women concerned about the welfare of their peoples and the survival of their societies have enjoyed great successes of late in challenging the multicultural political consensus that has prevailed over the last few decades. This consensus, a consensus amongst political and media elites only, has held, implicitly, that the conversion of prosperous, peaceful European countries into ticking time-bombs of ethno-sectarian hatred through the mass importation of indigestible Muslims is an unprecedented historical achievement. In fact, it is the ruin of our civilization in embryonic form, and must be driven back one way or another. To be completely clear: we are subsidizing the takeover of our countries by hostile Muslim peoples. The rate at which their populations grow is something we extend no control over at present in any deep structural sense, limited as it is only by the rate at which they can import family members with whom to procreate. In what sense could it be argued that this is an immigration system rooted in the interests of the British people?

Niccolo Machiavelli said in The Prince:

And what physicians say about disease is applicable here: that at the beginning a disease is easy to cure but difficult to diagnose; but as time passes, not having been treated or recognized at the outset, it becomes easy to diagnose but difficult to cure. The same thing occurs in affairs of state; for by recognizing from afar the diseases that are spreading in the state (which is a gift given only to a prudent ruler), they can be cured quickly; but when they are not recognized and are left to grow to the extent that everyone recognizes them, there is no longer any cure.

While agreeing with the underlying notion here, we must express our disagreement in one key regard. There will always be a cure for the ills wrought upon Britain and its people by Muslim immigration. Whether it will be to anyone’s liking or not is, however, another matter entirely.

Next: V. If We Fail to Act and VI. Some Pre-Emptive Responses to Predicted Objections


18. We ignore for simplicity’s sake the way in which Islam tends to attract criminal, confused people to it as converts, such as Richard Reid the shoebomber. This is indeed another pernicious effect of Islam that is impossible to predict or control, but the point can be made well enough without reference to what is still a fairly limited phenomenon.
19. Strictly speaking, our courts deliver a verdict of ‘not guilty’ rather than one of ‘innocent,’ but we can ignore that subtlety here.
20. Estimates of the death toll vary widely, but a death toll somewhere in the millions looks overwhelmingly probable. Given that the genocide was committed over a period of approximately nine months, the rate of killing almost certainly exceeds even that of the Holocaust or the Rwandan genocide.
21. Though General Musharraf did issue an apology on a visit to Bangladesh in 2002.
22. Foreign Policy
23. Migration Watch UK
24. Times Online

Previous posts by El Inglés:

2007 Nov 28 The Danish Civil War
2008 Apr 24 Surrender, Genocide… or What?
  May 17 Sliding Into Irrelevance
  Jul 5 A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 1
    6 A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 2
    8 A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 3
  Aug 25 Identity, Immigration, and Islam
  Oct 4 The Blackhoods of Antifa
    26 Racists ’R’ Us
  Nov 25 Surrender, Genocide… or What? — An Update
2009 Feb 16 Pick a Tribe, Any Tribe
  Apr 11 Pick A Tribe, Any Tribe — Part II
  May 18 To Push or to Squeeze?
  Nov 2 On the Failure of Law Enforcement — Part 1
  Dec 5 On the Failure of Law Enforcement — Part 2
    7 On the Failure of Law Enforcement — Part 3
2010 Mar 25 The Death of Democracy
    25 Some Fallacies On the Subject of Crime — Part 1
    28 Reflections on the Civil War in Britain
  Apr 1 A Consideration of the Criminal Investigation Process — Part One
    2 A Consideration of the Criminal Investigation Process — Part Two
    5 On Vigilantism — Part One
  Oct 29 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 1
  Nov 1 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 2
    4 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 3
    2 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 4
2011 Mar 10 Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part One


Trev said...

Sorry,i love this site,but is there anyway you can break these types of articles down for thicko's like me?

Anonymous said...

its typical leftist lunacy to insist that a nation commit cultural suicide.

laine said...

El Ingles writes lucidly and entertainingly about dire events. His style is very reminiscent of Theodore Dalrymple. Are such stalwart and brilliant masters of critical thinking and the English language merely a vestigial remnant of the glory that was once England's? Socialism: how to bring a mighty nation low within a couple of generations using bull headed unionism, a dumbed down education system, cultural destruction including the traditional family and morals and learned dependency through Welfare.

laine said...

Politicians who are expected to put things to rights are among the least qualified people to do so. They are largely outsize egos who grasp power for power's sake but have no idea how to wield it for the greater good, like a dog who finally catches a car but can't drive it. British politicians are of the Chamberlain school, not a Churchill among them. Enoch Powell was the Cassandra of his day who made an accurate prediction and was vilified for it as a racist. Cameron's milquetoast musings on immigration and integration are more than a day late and a pound short. It is the Steyns, El Ingleses, Dalrymples who see clearly and know what to do. Our fool politicians on both sides of the Atlantic don't even know who to read, whose ideas to appropriate. They go with the author of unmitigated failure and unparalleled human destruction, Marx and his acolytes like Alinsky, Obama's favorite reading.

Anonymous said...

There are various ways the problem of stopping or limiting Muslim immigration can be approached before anti-Islamic consciousness is highly developed enough to support an explicit ban.

One way is to objectify the issue. As you have made clear yourself, the objective data irrefutably demonstrates the negative effect Muslims are having on Britain. This isn't some wacko prejudice unsupported by the facts.

It would be possible to give a government agency the task of objectively examining how successful the various strains of immigration to Britain have been. Mostly likely, this would done on a per-country-of-origin basis. The assessment would be made using criteria like employment levels, income levels, educational attainment, crime rates, etc.

We could then say that immigration will be limited or stopped completely from countries whose immigrants have demonstrably been the least successful. Inevitably, countries where Islam has achieved ascendancy would fare worst in this assessment and immigration from there would be curtailed.

This puts it all on an objective basis to deflect the accusations of prejudice.

An alternative is to take the opposite approach and completely subjectify it. For example, if we introduced direct democracy, in which the people voted directly on laws themselves instead of through representatives, I have no doubt that a ban on Muslim immigration would come into force very quickly. Or we could do it on a smaller scale with, for example, a citizen's panel which would have to review the status of all immigrants to the country periodically and decide whether they were making a positive contribution to Britain. The panel could take whatever criteria it wanted into account. If its verdict was negative, the immigrant would then be removed from the country.

Silly Kuffar said...

The only way this can happen is by voting for the Political Party that will carry out the necessary work to rid the UK from the evil menace that is ISLAM. But the voters keep voting for the political partys that have created and encouraged Islamic Immigration into the UK. We already have a political party that is able and willing to do what has to be done - THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY - but the voters won't vote for us. Instead the voters listen to the Lib/Lab/Con TRAITOROUS parties denegration of the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY and nothing changes in regards to the halt to and removal of Muslim immigrants. The idiots think that because the Lib/Lab/Con say the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY is a nasty horrid party who do allsorts of nasty things (yet cannot offer proof or tell you what nasty things) so don't vote for them, and what the muslims do can't be any worse than what the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY WOULD DO, whatever that is.
So, until the voters recognise that there is only ONE HOPE and that HOPE IS THE BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY then they need vote for that HOPE EN-MASSE.
It's like being told you have two choices - Choice 1 = Your countrymen trying to save your country but they may do something horrible. Choice 2- Leave the muslims alone and they will kill some of you and rape your children but it probably won't be as bad as choice 1. VOTE CHOICE 2.
And guess what, they vote CHOICE 2.

Anonymous said...

Complicating this issue further, the deportation system is being played. There is growing frequency of instances failed asylum seekers & convicted alien criminals who continue to sit in detention limbo, awaiting completion of deportation, simply because the individual's nation of origin refuses to accept or permit their return. Of the reasons given, passport has expired or documentation is non-existant.
Consider the Ikwan move to borderless caliphate status or illegal immigrants who claim to be 'stateless'.
Here in the US,an Obama-appointed judge, Dolly Gee known for promoting “racial tolerance” has ordered U.S. taxpayers to provide criminally convicted immigrants/failed asylum seekers lawyers to fight deportation.

Anonymous said...

"Consider the Ikwan move to borderless caliphate status or illegal immigrants who claim to be 'stateless'."

I think part of the solution is to grant legal recognition to the Islamic concept of the Umma. The British government should regard all Muslims worldwide as being citizens of this non-physical country rather than the country whose passport they hold.

Naturally, citizens of the Umma should be subject to special restrictions, among which should be a duty to register with the government in Britain (if they are in the UK at all, though I would personally favour complete expulsion of all Muslims and a complete prohibition of Muslim entry into Britain).

The US government now demands quite a lot of information on travellers before they are allowed to enter the US. The British government should do the same, demanding information about religious affiliation. If the airlines or governments or people refuse to provide it, don't let them come.

Being an unregistered Muslim should be made a criminal offence and anyone suspected of it should be tried. The penalties should be very severe: forfeiture of all assets and deportation, possibly accompanied by physical branding on the forehead.

babs said...

"It should go without saying that very many of the people living in a country like Pakistan would rather be somewhere else, which is to say that, having so utterly fouled their own nest, they wish to escape it. "

That, right there, made me laugh out loud!
However, the bigger point is, which I also see in immigration policy in the US (illegal immigration to be exact)that 1st world nations are syphoning off the best and the brightest from "hellholes" as you state which only serves to continue the cycle.
How about if all those Pakistani engineers had no where to escape to. They just might do something positive in their native country and stop the insane pathology.
In addition, as I commented a few days ago, immigration of "spouses" should be restricted to those 22 years old and over. Polygamy by immigrant groups should be strictly illegal and should be a deportable offense. Why anyone ever decided that this should be supported in the UK and taxpayer benefits should go to support this lifestyle is simply beyond me.This would greatly curtail the immigrant baby factory/welfare suckers/inbred progeny.
This could be directed at everyone thereby not even mentioning one ethnic or religious group.

Zenster said...

What this means is that we must discriminate against Muslims on the basis of their religious affiliation, and as we perceive it, not as they describe it. [emphasis added]

This one simple statement goes to the core of dealing with Muslims. Who gives a hot damn about what Islam says it is or isn’t? Muslims can call Islam the Religion of Peace until they’re blue in the face. Nearly 17,000 terrorist attacks since the 9-11 atrocity say otherwise.

We must deal with Islam as we perceive it. If we perceive Islam as a criminal, parasitic, subversive and seditious cabal, then we must act accordingly. Allowing Muslims to dictate our perceptions of Islam is like letting a felon set the rules of procedure for his own court trial.

Islam is a threat because Muslims are over-represented with respect to four pernicious behaviours: they are disproportionately criminal, disproportionately parasitic, disproportionately subversive and disproportionately seditious.

Le bingo!

Excellent work, El Inglés! Part one was a huge BGO (Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious), but quite the necessary preface to this useful and educational series.

Hesperado said...


"I think part of the solution is to grant legal recognition to the Islamic concept of the Umma."

That's why I have broached the idea of the Infidel usefulness of a restored Caliphate. A restored Caliphate will help (imperfectly, but everything is imperfect) to delineate the amorphousness of the international diaspora of Muslims -- which is one of the major reasons why the West remains befuddled with its pants down around its ankles with regard to this current world war. A restored Caliphate will help to make Islam more of an institutional target (though the problem of a trans-national diaspora remains).

Which leads me to my next point (see following comment).

Hesperado said...

Many analysts in the S.I.A.I.M. (the Still Inchoate Anti-Islam Movement -- soon, hopefully, to become simply the A.I.M.) continue to overlook one major reason why the West has such a difficult time grasping, and grappling with, the problem of Islam that is a unilateral world war against us.

There are many major reasons why this is (among them the Reverse Racism dogma of PC MC; as well as the mainstream dominance of PC MC that ipso facto permeates beyond the confines of those dastardly "Liberal Elites" to affect the hearts and minds even of your corner grocer, your banker, your tailor, tinker and (even) soldier and spy, who reflexively, without thinking would, for example, think -- and feel -- that the internment of Japanese-Americans was a "shameful chapter" in our history. (This tangent leads me to another subtopic, which I will pursue in the comments to Zenster's article on the internment of Japanese-Americans below.)

The particular major reason I have in mind here is the simple yet massive fact of the demographic nature of the enemy: never before has the West fought a war against an enemy who is spread out all over the globe by the hundreds of millions -- including millions within its own borders. Part and parcel of this sheer demographic fact is the fact that most of these millions of our enemy are not saying or doing anything overtly inimical against us. One is forced to connect a mountain of dots in order to delineate the face of the enemy.

This demographic fact has a powerful effect on the PC MC mind: their instinct of "innocent until proven guilty" becomes reinforced a thousand-fold when they see whom it is we would be accuse of mass guilt: millions and millions of nice Ethnic Peoples from all over the Third World -- that world which, incidentally, we the West so shamefully and wickedly colonized thereby causing all the misery and mayhem that is endemic to that vast swath of the globe. To condemn this vast, disparate and "diverse" Ethnic People with a sweeping judgement as Enemy is unthinkable to the PC MC mind: it recoils from it in a frisson d'Holocaust -- and as a result is ethically committed to make damn sure any incipient signs that might go down that slippery slope are nipped in the bud.

Baron Bodissey said...

Hesperado --

I always laugh out loud every time I hear you refer to “the Still Inchoate Anti-Islam Movement”.

The movement is quite choate from the point of view of the people who are personally involved in it. This is true especially of the European Counterjihad — those of us who communicate, plan, and co-ordinate in close consultation with one another, in person as well as virtually, are deeply aware of a movement which is decentralized and non-hierarchical, yet functions effectively over a wide area and in a well-structured fashion.

My guess is that it seems “inchoate” to you because you’re not actually part of it. But to those on the inside, it seems quite the opposite.

Hesperado said...

To clarify and crystallize my previous comment:

I agree with El Ingles that the problem of Muslims managed through reversing immigration (plus the crucial adjunct of deportation of extant Muslims which El Ingles doesn't seem to go into directly) should proceed by a functional forensics.

However, before that occurs in the West, the West will have to change to the point where it is comfortable with imputing guilt to the simple fact of being Muslim.

As I intimiated in my previous comment, there is a massive problem with such a determination: namely, that the vast majority of Muslims are not overtly doing or saying anything warranting exclusion and/or deportation. We in the A.I.M. (the Anti-Islam Movement) know that the mere fact of being Muslim is to enable an international movement that is at protracted multifarious war against us; but in order to know and appreciate this in the context of condemning all Muslims qua Muslims, one has to connect a mountain of dots -- and, perhaps more importantly, one has to be prepared to do something that goes against the grain I dare say even of most in the A.I.M.:

We have to prejudicially condemn all Muslims.

It would be precisely prejudicial, because we have no direct evidence for the guilt of most Muslims -- we have only inferential dot-connecting evidence.

Now, this would not be that great of a problem, were the dangers which Muslims pose not that potentially great. We could have the luxury of time over the next 100 years, say, to slowly try to piece together that mountain of dots and try to persuade the Court of Public Opinion (PC MC) and its institutional leaders (those dastardly "Elites"). And even then, the "guilt" we would be arguing pertains to being Muslim would not rise to the level of a danger we have to protect our societies against -- if, that is, Muslims weren't culturally prepared to back up their desires with concerted, ingenious and fanatically motivated violence.

Or, given that the dangers of Muslims are not that great, we might even be persuaded to continue to treat the problem of Islam casuistically as a criminal problem, and only go after those particular Muslims of the TMOE (Tiny Minority of Extremists) who keep popping up left and right of us.

Since the danger is that great, however, we the West must move to the only reasonable position on the matter: the prejudicial condemnation of all Muslims.

For if we don't, we will in the decades ahead be confronted, in our face, with massive data that no longer needs dot-connection, in the form of millions of us mass-murdered through various WMD attacks on us in various locations, as well as millions more injured and dislocated, and infrastructure damaged, and all the economic, political and psychological strains such traumas will cause our societies. At that point, the West will no longer require prejudicial condemnation of Muslims, and we will be able to take care of the problem.

But wouldn't it be better to prevent all that misery and mayhem -- even if we must swallow our vaunted ethical pride and dirty our sleeves in that worst crime of all, prejudice against an entire Ethnic People?

Hesperado said...


There are various ways to measure "inchoate" in this regard.

Also, a movement may be persuasively deemed "inchoate" even while it may have degrees of coherent and organization: the term doesn't denote utter absence of coherence and organization; it denotes a deficiency.

Three ways off the top of my head to measure this deficiency:

1) the lack of a definitive anti-Islam debate manual

2) the lack of major massive popular demonstrations against Islam throughout the West

3) the lack of a single umbrella organization that assigns rankings and offices to various functionaries -- including something like a "President", "Vice President" etc. (like any organization has), along with various ways the rank-and-file can participate. In such a single umbrella organization, the problem of Robert Spencer, for example, can be transparently adjudicated: i.e., his role in the movement can be clarified, and his penchant for unilaterally anathematizing others from the movement will be properly managed.

On the War of Ideas level, the movement is far from organizing the disparate jungle of information about Islam and Islam Apologetics (the latter of which includes a sizable proportion of things unrelated to Islam per se, insofar as it indulges in various forms of Tu Quoque) in order to have a single rebuttal template that is

1) definitive (thus, only one version in use among all in the movement)

2) comprehensive (including all the relevant talking points)


3) manageably concise.

[continued next]

Hesperado said...

[continued from last]

The absence, for all movement members and interested parties, of such a template (or "booklet" or "manual") is bad enough; the fact that the need for it has not even been discussed by any of the luminaries of the movement is even more disconcerting. In the phase we are in with this unilateral war, the ideological facet (the "War of Ideas") is of utmost importance -- particularly since the biggest obstacle to making the movement influence Western policy locally, nationally, and internationally is precisely the PC MC muddle that continues to obscure the various problems and dangers of Islam -- and we desperately need a single, definitive, comprehensive yet concise template which will a) present every relevant point against Islam and b) rebut every talking point of Islam Apologetics that tends to obfuscate (a).

When one surveys the various individuals and organizations involved in putting the problem of Islam on the front burner, we see many knowledgeable people, but unfortunately, the Islamoliteracy is wildly variable, and too often in debates various points get lost in a jungle of he said, she said that to the general viewer can seem like just differences of opinion about matters too complex to make a decision. If there were a single definitive template, where the same answers are given every time, this would not only clarify our movement, it would simplify the message, and it would force all those who disagree in various ways to address the same talking points. I.e., it would also clarify and simplify Islam Apologetics (for a great deal of the effectiveness of Islam Apologetics is precisely its ability through various rhetorical tactics to make things more complicated than they are).

Another measure of the deficiency of the A.I.M. that thus makes it relatively inchoate is the conspicuous absence of any general popular anti-Islam demonstration anywhere in the West that exceeds a smattering of people. By contrast, to take one example, when Bush was ramping up toward the Iraq war, spontaneous popular demonstrations occurred all over the West, from Italy to Australia to the UK, to France, Germany, the US, Canada, many involving thousands of people. Nearly 10 years after 911, and we haven't had a Million Man March on Washington (even though the Tea Party movement had its march on Washington to talk about everything Else Under the Sun but Islam).

So, show me a definitive anti-Islam Booklet; show me a few (not one or two of at best two or three thousand) massive demonstrations of over fifty thousand each in various cities in the West; and show me a central organization that assigns particular rankings and offices to various functionaries (and which has transparently adjudicated the problem of Spencer) -- then I'll begin to acknowledge more "choacy" to the movement.

Hesperado said...

Oh great, my first part didn't show up.

I'll cross my fingers and hope it eventually shows up here.

Baron Bodissey said...

Hesperado --

Time constraints prevent me from responding fully to everything, but I’ll touch some highlights.

1) the lack of a definitive anti-Islam debate manual

What makes you think that this is not an ongoing project, worked on by a number of people in consultation? There are actually some provisional publications out there; Sam Solomon’s work is ground-breaking.

2) the lack of major massive popular demonstrations against Islam throughout the West

I can only talk about Europe, really, since that’s my patch. You’ll have to ask Spencer and Geller about the American mass-demonstration gig, since they are more or less in charge of it.

Surely you’ve noticed some of the recent demos in Europe (e.g. the EDL and Pro-Köln)? They are not as massive as we would like, but we are moving up — after all, the number was zero just a few years ago.

3) the lack of a single umbrella organization that assigns rankings and offices to various functionaries…

This is a bad idea. It would be a strategic liability, at least for the European movement. An identifiable Officer-in-Charge would get the Geert treatment, and be prosecuted, sued, blacklisted, and/or assassinated.

The whole point of a distributed and decentralized movement is to avoid the demoralization and organizational damage that would result from an attack on the top levels of the hierarchy. We take a leaf from the Al Qaeda manual — there’s no head on this snake.

This is important in Europe, because securing funding is very difficult for European activists. Europe doesn’t have the tradition of private philanthropic funding for activist groups — almost all support comes from the state. This is one reason for the mess they are currently in: they have to organize and act with almost no money.

The PVV is one of the rare exceptions.

1) definitive (thus, only one version in use among all in the movement)

See #3 above — this is one of the prices we (willingly) pay for decentralization and a non-hierarchical structure.

The absence… of such a template… is bad enough; the fact that the need for it has not even been discussed by any of the luminaries of the movement is even more disconcerting.

This is yet another instance of “You know not whereof you speak.” You have no idea of what is or isn’t discussed.

As I said before, since your viewpoint is that of an outsider looking in, of course you can’t know what is being discussed, or planned, or war-gamed, or strategized.

These things take time — I’ve watched the process unfolding for the last four years, and it has taken more than three of those years to get some of the most important pieces out there and ready for public view. And if you don’t think the Team B report from CSP is an important piece, then you and I are not only on different pages, but reading from different manuals.

Group work is difficult and frustrating and fraught, and I’m sure it’s going much more slowly than you would like. I’m certain that we’re doing any number of things the wrong way from your point of view.

It’s quite possible that the whole enterprise would be more effective if the basic design were yours, instead of the work of others.

But the sad fact is that you’re not involved, so we all just have to soldier on without you. We’re doing the best we can in our inept, uncoordinated, badly-advised, and — dare I say it? — inchoate manner.

Zenster said...

Hesperado: We have to prejudicially condemn all Muslims.

It would be precisely prejudicial, because we have no direct evidence for the guilt of most Muslims -- we have only inferential dot-connecting evidence.

Au contraire. Any Muslim must follow the Qur'an. All Muslims who do follow the Qur'an, therefore, believe in taqiyya, regardless of whether they practice it or not.

Anyone who accepts, as all Muslims must, the practice of taqiyya may be disqualified for candidacy as a potential immigrant because of their inability to assure unalloyed allegiance to a prospective host nation.


As I have said repeatedly:


This one single issue is the ultimate deal-breaker. The time for hairsplitting is over. Those who wish to follow Islam must do so on notice that their untrustworthy presence cannot be tolerated by free and open societies.

It's really that simple. Islam is far more prejudicial than this so it is no major issue to submit Muslims to a tiny portion of the prejudice that they so readily impose upon others.

Through taqiyya, Islam seeks to give itself the ultimate unfair advantage. It's high time to turn the tables on Muslims and make them keenly aware of how useless they render themselves to civilized society.

In reality, Islam has permanently tainted itself in that there will never be any verifiable way to confirm that a given Muslim or Islam, as a whole, has genuinely rejected or abandoned the practice of taqiyya. Islam has no way that it can ever back out of this heinous abrogation of mutual trust.

There is no reason on earth why any nation should be obliged to accept within its borders a bunch of lying, seditious, homicidal bastards.

End of line.

Zenster said...

Hesperado, you really are out of line in this matter. As a small example, I have suggested to you that your useful theory of origin regarding PC MC be published here at Gates of Vienna.

I even took several hours of my time to provide you with well-thought-out notes and references that could bolster your arguments.

Furthermore, I sent you notice of an absolutely golden near-term opportunity for your theory to be published where it will have maximum reach and impact.

You have yet to respond to that suggestion but, nonetheless, feel obliged to comment here citing facts not in evidence.

The Baron seems to be quite correct that you are an outsider to this entire process. You do have a website but I never see you mention making direct, personal contact with other individuals who are dedicated to the counter-jihad.

Consequently, your observations come across as so much backbiting even if that is not at all your intent.

It's time to get off the pot and start participating in a more meaningful sense. Gates of Vienna offers you that exact chance but, sadly, you seem more preoccupied with engaging in counterproductive challenges and arguments when your undeniable talents could be accomplishing so much more.

Write some essays and submit them for publication here. It would go a long way towards establishing you as a supportive voice in one of the few genuinely open and dedicated forums for the counterjihad.

Hesperado said...


I did respond to your email about the GOV essay. In your invitation, I assumed since it was going to be a "911 anniversary" that I had until at least this summer to get it ready, seeing as an anniversary of that event would be September 11, and it's still early March now.

As for other essays I can submit here, I'm not failing to comply for no good reason, trust me (and the good reasons have nothing to do with any ideological or personal problems I might, or might not, have with GOV).

Hesperado said...


Re: your previous comment about my "prejudicial" argument:

As you know, I agree with your conclusions; I just don't agree with your claim that those conclusions are arrived at, or even capable of being arrived at, except in large part through a tissue of inferences that must connect various dots.

Let's examine some of the assumptions among the bundle of you posed in your comment:

"Any Muslim must follow the Qur'an."

This by itself requires numerous additional information:

1) First, proof that the statement is correct.

2) Second, if #1 is shown (which is vulnerable to sophistical twists of "what does it mean to 'follow'...?" etc.), we have to demonstrate how many Muslims fall under #1 -- all? the vast majority? a slim majority? a minority? An influential meme has been afoot for years to dilute the problem of Islam, by purveying the notion that Muslims around the world are in various stages of "laxity" about Islam (and/or "ignorance of their own Islam") -- and this would be brought to bear here. Not only would it be unfair (so goes the PC MC argument) to lump innumerable Muslims who happen to be "lax" and relatively secularized in with the more fundamentalist Muslims -- it would be dangerously moving us to take mass actions against vast numbers of putatively innocent people on the basis of guilt by association.

3) There still remains the task of showing that following the Koran in fact constitutes a clear and present danger to any non-Muslim society (and that thus the "followers" of the Koran must be treated accordingly -- keeping in mind the additional problems of #1 and #2 above). This is a no-brainer for We Few, We Proud, within the anti-Islam movement. We are still far from demonstrating this persuasively to the dominant and mainstream open air and sunshine of the West. And my point is that this kind of demonstration -- along with the others -- cannot be proven sufficiently to condemn hundreds of millions of people from around the world most of whom are not saying or doing anything to prove their guilt. We must infer it, and prejudge the Muslim qua Muslim as guilty by association.

"All Muslims who do follow the Qur'an, therefore, believe in taqiyya..."

This is an impossible claim to prove: how does one prove what one billion people believe in their minds? It is, however, a reasonable inference to make -- given many other dots (each of which is an island of data) which have been connected. But, being a reasonable inference, the road to persuading the public is not as easy as when it would be an easily indisputable fact (for example, if unbeknown to O.J. Simpson, a video camera had been trained on him as he stabbed his wife and her boyfriend a hundred times, with clear moonlit views of his face in between his frenzied stabbings).

In addition, the whole concept of taqiyya itself requires a constellation of inferences to weave into a reasonable condemnation of the Muslim qua Muslim as unfit for presence in the West.

Just to give one example of many that could be adduced:

"Okay, there was a practice of taqiyya that can be found in the Koran and Hadiths, but it only related to situations during Mohammed's time of hot war, and of the context of being prisoners of war by the enemy..."

Such a sophistical tactic would have traction for innumerable gullible PC MCs, and it would require unavoidable complexity to unweave and refute.

And many more similar complexities present themselves in this regard.

I feel your pain, Zenster, and just as much as you I wish everyone were here at point Z and not still futzing around at point C or D along the long path to the obvious. But, unfortunately, that's not the reality on the ground yet.

Hesperado said...

"The Baron seems to be quite correct that you are an outsider to this entire process. You do have a website but I never see you mention making direct, personal contact with other individuals who are dedicated to the counter-jihad."

Different strokes for different folks. Every movement benefits from different types of activity, and different styles. A vast army of hundreds of thousands (and, we trust, still growing, hopefully into the millions) will have innumerable different roles to play -- particularly as we are in process toward that point. Currently, the phase we are in is primarily in the realm of the War of Ideas -- and that means persuading people of an unavoidably vast problem, half of which is not even Islamic, but involves Western ways of thinking and feeling. In this phase, various forms and styles of argument are key. Every good paradigm shift, and revolution of thought and action that has occurred in Western history has involved the realm of ideas because the West, unlike primitive societies, isn't just about rabblerousing and appealing to baser instincts.

I don't tell you or Baron how to behave, nor do I declare (or transparently insinuate) that you are not in (or don't belong in) the Movement unless you do or say what I tell you to do; I only critique this or that aspect of your formulations I think are deficient. I'd ask you for the same respect I accord you.

laine said...

Cheradenine's idea of widely publicizing documented facts and statistics that show Muslims' destructiveness as a group to western society is entirely impracticable until the leftist defense of political correctness is shattered. All data that though true is not flattering to minority groups and therefore to the leftist doctrine of multicult is rigorously suppressed, "nipped in the bud" as someone mentioned above. The Left is so watchful like the evil eye of Sauron that it notices the smallest tendril of resistance and pours fire and brimstone on it. Misnamed "human rights" machinery is used for this purpose as well as character assassination in the media and numerous death threats. The BNP in England has been successfully demonized in this way so that even when people are presented with an overtly anti-immigration party, they will not vote for it even by secret ballot. They push away the extended oar and continue to drown. PC is in their head preventing a move that in the long run would save a lot of Western lives. As long as people reason: "better we risk our own culture and lives of our children and grandchildren than be called racist", there is no hope of turning this thing around without great loss of western life. There seems to be no way of waking up a critical mass of westerners until there is an attack by Muslims that dwarfs 9/11 (nuclear) causing loss of life in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Hesperado said...


The problem of PC MC is larger than one of “liberals” and “Leftists”.

Thus we have George W. Bush:

“Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide….

“Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.”

And former New York City mayor Rudolf Giuliani:

“I have great respect for the Islamic religion. I have great respect for the Arab world, for the Middle East.
… and on the evening of September 11, 2001, the day my city was attacked, I got on television, and I said to the people of my city, “We’re not going to engage in group blame. This is a small group of people. This does not typify a great religion and a great people.” ”

And Republican Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee:

“This isn’t an Islamic problem. This is a jihadist problem.”

And Bush’s Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld (how conservative can you get?):

“The vast majority of Muslims are moderates!”

And McCain:

“I admire the Islam. There’s a lot of good principles in it…”

And Republican Mitt Romney:

“I spoke about three major threats America faces on a long term basis. Jihadism is one of them, and that is not Islam. If you want my views on Islam, it’s quite straightforward. Islam is one of the world’s great religions and the great majority of people in Islam want peace for themselves and peace with their maker. They want to raise families and have a bright future.”

“…by no means [is Jihadism] a branch of Islam. It is instead an entirely different entity. In no way do I suggest it is a part of Islam….”

Sadly, there are many more quotes from non-liberals like this. The problem of PC MC is a much broader, deeper, civilizational problem, I have come to realize.

laine said...

Hesperado, no argument from me that PC has permeated the very fabric of western culture and has infected many so-called conservatives but it was started by the Left which finally hit on the perfect tool to squelch all resistance to its idiotic and failed retread ideas: isolate naysayers and make them out to be racists and ignoramuses. Look at what the Left did to Sen. Joe McCarthy for revealing the truth about communist inroads into the federal administration. Cowed conservatives have self-censored ever since. The Left was able to exert its will by appropriating the main organs of communication i.e. public education and the media entertainment complex to create fallow ground and spread their poison. There are a large group of mushbrains, mostly on the left but as I admit, infecting weaker minds on the right as well now who would rather be dead (at least culturally) than (falsely) branded racist. That's what it's come to. The communists back in the 60's set out their plan to take over America by cultural marxism. One step of that plan was to dominate one of the two main parties. They have over-achieved and gotten 1 and 1/2 of the two main parties under PC control.

sameer said...

"We will use the Pakistani population of the UK as a proxy for the entire UK Muslim population here...Being the largest, longest-established, and most psychopathic Muslim population in the country".

I just love this writer. So true ... made my day ... God bless ya :)