Monday, May 30, 2011

Our Muslim Troubles: Lessons from Northern Ireland

Our Muslim Troubles

Part V: A Discredited State

“As the slow motion train crash that is Europe’s experiment with Muslim immigration moves on to its inevitable conclusion, we continue to see a sharp polarization between those Europeans who wish, for whatever reason, to continue the experiment and those who wish to bring it to an end. As each European country collapses into its own Muslim Troubles, there will be no cover, politically speaking, for those politicians and public figures who span us tall tales all along about the wonders of the multi-faith Shangri-las we were building.”

This is the conclusion of a five-part series by El Inglés comparing and contrasting the Troubles in Northern Ireland with the coming Muslim Troubles in Britain. Previously: Part One, Part Two, Part Three, and Part Four.

All five parts are now available as a single document in pdf format (thanks to Vlad).

Our Muslim Troubles: Lessons from Northern Ireland

by El Inglés

X. Political Implications

So far we have limited our consideration of matters political to the assumption that the state will vacillate its way into and through at least the initial stages of the conflict. However, there is a little more to say on the subject of the mainstream political response to the conflict we predict and explore in this document.

Western European nations have been implementing for several decades, more or less consistently, policies which have the inevitable consequence of turning once-homogeneous countries into much more heterogeneous ones, racially, religiously, culturally, and linguistically. We have been encouraged to believe that, not only has this been a good thing, it is bigoted and evil not to believe that it has been a good thing. Calamitous change has thus been justified by the gossamer banalities of multiculturalism, whose orthogonal relationship with reality is now dawning on the worried architects of the culturally-enriched states of modern Europe.

As the slow motion train crash that is Europe’s experiment with Muslim immigration moves on to its inevitable conclusion, we continue to see a sharp polarization between those Europeans who wish, for whatever reason, to continue the experiment and those who wish to bring it to an end. As each European country collapses into its own Muslim Troubles, there will be no cover, politically speaking, for those politicians and public figures who span us tall tales all along about the wonders of the multi-faith Shangri-las we were building.

To put it at its bluntest, one cannot present oneself as the person to save one’s country from the horrific tribal violence that it has recently descended into when one has spent the last however-many decades cramming as many people of the hostile, enemy tribe in question into that country and describing all opposition to those efforts as racist, bigoted, or worse. We will examine in a later section the way in which the Troubles only came to an end when key decision-makers in the paramilitary organizations on each side decided that they were prepared to lay down their arms to try and reach a negotiated peace. Here we will simply stress the significance of this point: if paramilitaries continue to fight, no government can force a peace. And it is utterly inconceivable that any British paramilitary organization would cease hostilities in this fashion if it believed that the political figures attempting to mediate that process were implicated in the mass immigration, multiculturalism, and Muslim appeasement that had led to the conflict in the first place. As such, any government or person so implicated will be utterly ineffective as a mediator.

In the Netherlands, there exists a politician, Geert Wilders, and a political party, the Dutch Freedom Party, committed to defending the Dutch people and their country from the disaster it has been plunging toward for the last several decades. Whatever unpleasant things some might believe of Mr. Wilders, few would doubt that he means what he says about defending his country and way of life. We are not interested here in trying to predict what will happen in the Netherlands, but we will suggest that any Dutch paramilitary that may emerge to defend the Dutch people as and when the state fails to do so will presumably consider Wilders to be a man worth doing business with, a man who might be worth listening to if he asks them to lay down their guns and let the state take over in meeting the Muslim threat.

One of the greatest dangers we in Britain face with respect to our forthcoming Muslim Troubles is the possibility that all such potential actors will already have discredited themselves in the eyes of British paramilitaries. This is one of the great evils of our electoral system. If we look at the populist right-wing parties throughout Europe that are espousing nationalism and opposing Islam, Islamization, and Muslim immigration, we observe that they are, overwhelmingly, new parties that have only been able to flourish because the electoral systems of their respective countries are based on proportional representation. To take the most obvious example, Wilders’ Freedom Party has attained the influence it currently enjoys because the re-tribalization of Dutch politics made inevitable by Muslim immigration is shunting large numbers of angry Dutch people (which is to say, Dutch-Dutch people) to his party. Even if everyone else in the country considers him to be Lucifer incarnate, his party can simply content itself with taking its share of the vote and seeing the whole of Dutch politics start to dance to its tune.

None of this can happen in the British system. The Dutch Freedom Party won about 16% of the vote in the 2010 election, which gives it a great deal of power. In contrast, winning 16% of the vote in a UK election renders one irrelevant apart from in those very rare cases where a hung parliament opens up the possibility of a coalition government. In the 2005 general election in the UK, the Liberal Democrats won 18.3% of the vote, which gave them 52 out of 646 seats and rendered them essentially impotent, as it did every party other than Labour, who won a significant majority. In other words, a party can win nearly a fifth of the vote in a general election and still attain neither outright power, nor a place in a governing coalition, nor even the slightest possibility of a place in a governing coalition for the simple reason that no such coalition is required.

This is an electoral system that could have been designed to kill off political innovation and ensure the mainstream parties are almost unassailable in the great big coin-toss that happens once every few years in the UK. UKIP, the closest equivalent to the Dutch Freedom Party in the UK, won 16% of the vote in the European election in 2009. Granted, the European elections are often used to register protest votes, so this result should not be taken as meaning that 16% of the British public considers UKIP its preferred party across the board. Nonetheless, despite their popularity clearly being far greater than their 3% of the vote in the 2010 general election would suggest, they have yet to win a single seat in the House of Commons. As a consequence of this lopsidedness in British elections, debates vis-à-vis Islam and Muslim immigration in mainstream British politics take place entirely within the confines of what the three main parties are comfortable with. No party can storm the pitch from the sidelines, breaking taboos the way Wilders does in the Netherlands, because those who do break taboos, like the BNP, simply do not have to be responded to by anyone with a chance of winning.

Of the three main parties, the only one that could reasonably be expected to start trying to turn the British ship of state around before it crashes onto the shores of our Muslim Troubles is the Conservative Party. Now, as by far the strongest party in a coalition government after thirteen years in the wilderness, it is starting to strut its stuff with respect to the terrible problems we face, and its stuff is not especially reassuring. To be sure, David Cameron has indicated that he will not be prepared to tolerate certain of the things that Labour turned a blind eye to, and the government has already started to make far-reaching changes to the immigration system, the single most crucial area of policy. But there is no public recognition from the Conservatives of the breadth or depth of the problems Islam and Muslims pose us in Britain, and this is what is crucial. Perhaps David Cameron is well aware of what we face, but does not feel he can talk about it. This may seem like a wise course of action to him at present, but can only discredit him and his party later on. One cannot feign ignorance of an iceberg, crash into it, and still insist that one is uniquely qualified to deal with the ensuing catastrophe, because, truth be told, one had seen it all along. This will not convince anyone of one’s qualifications for dealing with the problem, least of all those who have committed murderous acts of violence on behalf of paramilitary organizations.

In short, the Conservatives are in danger, not imminent danger, but danger nonetheless, of discrediting themselves as a party capable of understanding and dealing with the threat we face. We are, of course, obliged to take into account the fact that they are part of a coalition and are therefore somewhat constrained in what they do. Even so, it is far from obvious that they are up to the challenge of charting the dramatic change of course that would be required to put clear blue water between us and the ever-closer hulk of our Muslim Troubles, which lie directly ahead.

It will come to be seen as a historic misfortune that the window of opportunity for dealing with the threat our Muslim population poses us without massive violence happened to coincide with a juncture at which our main centre-right party was busy trying to convince the UK electorate that it was no longer the ‘nasty party.’ However peripheral non-entities such as Baroness Warsi may be to the real power in the Conservative Party, the mere fact that Cameron has felt the need to parachute them into such prominent positions as party chairman shows how hard the Conservatives are trying to be all things to all people. Could we imagine Geert Wilders dragging some token Moroccan into his party to convince people that he was tight with the believers?

Is it a coincidence that the only European country to have seen the rise of a robust, successful, anti-Islamic street movement like the EDL is also the only country to have no mainstream political party that has woken up to the threat of Islam, not Islamism, not radical Islam, not extremist Islam, but Islam itself? We cannot say for sure, but it seems likely that opposition to Islam will emerge by hook or by crook, and that if it does not do so through electoral politics, it will have to do so some other way. Whether it likes it or not, the EDL is already on course to become the UDA of our Muslim Troubles. There are undoubtedly UVFs waiting to emerge as well. Is this what our political masters want?

There are presumably people in the Netherlands who believe that Wilders is a threat to their democracy. But this is a mistake. Wilders is the last hope of their democracy, as a democracy that destroys the possibility of peaceful, political self-correction, will make inevitable violent, apolitical self-correction, and kill democracy itself in the process. Wilders is the last chance the Netherlands will have to avoid blood on the streets. And the window of opportunity is closing even for him.

XI. The Two Insanities

We have already stated our core assumption that the British government will, by and large, be wholly ineffective in the face of the violent conflict that breaks out between British and Muslims and seek merely to contain it. However, there are crucial issues pertaining to the government response that must be considered beyond this assumption. The violent conflict that we predict in this document is not something that can be solved in any obvious sense by any government. But there are still certain potential courses of action that different parts of the apparatus of state can take within the constraints of our earlier assumption that are of relevance here.

Broadly speaking, the long-term objectives of British paramilitaries in the conflict will include at least the following:

  • to prohibit Muslim immigration
  • to prohibit the granting of citizenship/permanent residency to Muslims already in the UK and bring about the repatriation of, at the very least, those non-citizen Muslims in the country
  • to protect British people from Muslim violence and depredation
  • to ensure the deportation of Muslims deemed incompatible with British society, be they British citizens or not
  • to ensure that Muslims are no longer able to have their existences significantly subsidized by the British taxpayer

We have already discussed the permissible types of violence from the points of view of the different actors in the conflict. But this analysis was based on an assumption that the government of the day will not act in a manner which simply allows the Muslim colonization of the UK to continue. In other words, we are assuming that certain of the objectives of the British will be achieved very quickly, just as the NI and British governments moved quickly to address the core grievances of the Catholic population of NI when the Troubles broke out (though to little avail, at least in terms of pre-empting further violence). More specifically, we are assuming that the British government will not engage in either of what we will refer to here as the Two Insanities.

In the First Insanity, the British government treats the violence between British and Muslims as if were some strange bump in the road on the way to the creation of a multicultural paradise and keeps on allowing Muslim immigration to occur. Should the government actually be so imbecilic as to adopt this course of action, then it will become clear in short order to British paramilitaries that the key causal factor in the Islamization of Britain remains unchallenged. Furthermore, in the context of violent conflict, such immigration will legitimately be construed by these paramilitaries as the effective collusion of government in the reinforcement of the Muslim side. If even the outbreak of widespread violence as already described cannot jolt the British government from the suicidal stupidity of allowing Muslim immigration, then British paramilitaries may well conclude that they have no option but to take their violence to new levels to impress upon the government that its behaviour is unacceptable.

In the Second Insanity, the British government understands that a continuation of Muslim immigration makes utter disaster inevitable, and moves to shut it down completely. However, upon trying to do so, it discovers that, due to a combination of the actions of the judiciary, the EU and its various institutions, and international agreements of whatever sort, this action ‘cannot’ be taken. In this case too, we could expect new levels and types of violence from British paramilitaries.

With respect to the probability of either of the Two Insanities occurring, we suggest that the ability of government to make a clean break with the madness of the last several decades and recognize the brute incompatibility of Britain and Muslims can by no means be taken for granted. To be sure, there is a growing recognition right across Europe that something has gone very badly wrong as a result of Islamic immigration, and the causal relationship between admitting Muslims to one’s country and having those Muslims contaminate and destroy that country is too obvious to escape the attention of even the political class forever. Leaving to one side the hard leftists committed to revolution through the mass importation of Third World peoples of whatever provenance and Muslims in particular, there will be very few in this country who actively desire a descent into Balkan-style violence. Nevertheless, the record of the democratic systems of European countries to date in pre-emptively defusing the ticking time-bomb of Muslim immigration is so astonishingly poor that we should not take too much for granted in this regard, and must therefore consider the possibility that one or other of the Two Insanities will be indulged in by the respective actors with effects we will now consider in more detail.

Ultimately, Muslims can only be kept out of the UK by government, as government is entirely responsible for our borders. No amount of violence short of the absolutely genocidal could conceivable remove the threat of Islam as long as Muslims are allowed to pour into the country. Therefore, government has a crucial role to play in resolving matters to the satisfaction of British paramilitaries. If it will not play this role willingly, it will have to be forced to do so through violence of a type and on a scale so extreme as to threaten a collapse into utter chaos and outright civil war. Of course, violence of this type will be one of the few ways British paramilitaries have of persuading Muslims to simply leave Britain, and could eventually end up being resorted to for this reason alone. But only one of the Two Insanities will make it a virtual certainty. There is already a growing awareness across Europe that Muslim immigration could be better described as Muslim colonization. Once British paramilitaries and the British people in general are blooded by the violence involved in civil conflict, escalating the violence to the levels described here will not be considered nearly as outrageous as it seems at present, even if we ignore the likelihood of Muslim atrocities against similar targets on our side.

We have already discussed the types of bombing campaigns that British and Muslims are likely to be able to engage in, and have concluded that only British paramilitaries will be able to build and utilize large car and truck bombs in any significant numbers. As we have suggested, such devices will be deployed in the conflict we have thus far imagined even in the absence of the Two Insanities, but predominantly to cause damage and disruption to Muslim communities without causing mass casualties. The most obvious parallel here would be the PIRA bombing campaign in England in the 1990s, which aimed to cause economic damage and disruption without inflicting the civilian casualties of, for example, the Remembrance Day bombing at Enniskillen.

The issue here is whether or not there is likely to come into existence a perceived necessity to use these devices against Muslims en masse, be it at a mosque, in a Muslim residential area, or a Muslim commercial area. Of course it is possible that intrinsic ruthlessness and indiscriminate Muslim suicide bombings of British targets will already have combined to create a willingness on the part of British paramilitaries to engage in such attacks. However, their relative scarcity in the three-decade conflict of the Troubles suggests that such total ruthlessness is somewhat more alien to the peoples of the British Isles than it is to Muslims in general. Whether or not such devices are used in such a manner by British paramilitaries therefore becomes a pivotal point, and one that will be critical in determining the nature of the conflict.

Earlier, we made reference to the Dublin and Monaghan bombings as being the single most ruthless act of the Troubles, as well as the single most lethal. Taken together, they killed 33 people, and these people were not killed by mistake, because a bomb went off too soon, or because a phone box was out of order. The bombs were intended to kill large numbers of civilians without warning, which is precisely what they did. The UVF, which carried them out, did not carry out similar bombings in the Republic of Ireland at any other time in the conflict. Why then did they carry out this one?

To understand the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, one must understand the backdrop against which they took place. In 1973, the British and Irish governments implemented what they hoped would be a political solution to the Troubles, which were going through their most violent years. Broadly speaking, the contours of this agreement, referred to as the Sunningdale Agreement for the English town where it was signed, were such that: a) a power-sharing agreement between nationalists and unionists would be introduced in Northern Ireland, and b) a Council of Ireland would be created to allow for consultation and cooperation between NI and the Republic of Ireland on matters pertaining to transport, trade, and the like. This was widely perceived by loyalists to be a step towards a united Ireland, and, though it had majority support from NI political parties at first, the support it enjoyed from unionists waned as 1974 wore on. Furthermore, it was bitterly opposed by the loyalist paramilitaries, and a massive strike was organized by the UDA in May 1974 to derail it.

As the UDA was bringing NI to its knees with strike action, the UVF was taking matters into its own hands slightly differently, via the bombings we have already mentioned. One must suppose that the UVF was trying to impress upon the Irish government that it considered its participation in the Council of Ireland under the Sunningdale Agreement to be an intrusion into the affairs of Northern Ireland. It is striking indeed to think of how the aborted Sunningdale Agreement and the successful Good Friday Agreement were so similar in so many ways that the Good Friday Agreement was referred to as ‘Sunningdale for slow learners’ by the Deputy Leader of the SDLP at the time. Yet the former still evoked within loyalist paramilitaries the will to commit the worst single atrocity of the Troubles.

The perceived threat of Sunningdale led the UVF to engage in such extreme violence against civilians, despite the fact that, over twenty years later, it would acquiesce to something similar (albeit under different circumstances). This being the case, could anyone seriously imagine that British paramilitaries, seeing their country devoured from within by that part of the global ummah imported and subsidized by an idiot government, would refrain from eventually derailing that process of colonization through massive, indiscriminate acts of violence against a community they had come to consider an existential threat to Britain and its people?

On the basis of the foregoing considerations, we predict that the Two Insanities are virtually certain to persuade at least some British paramilitaries to escalate the violence in the manner we have described here. Indiscriminate bombings of Muslim civilian targets are a virtual certainty without the promptest and most effective action by government to shut Muslim immigration down completely in the early months of our Muslim Troubles.

XII. To the Broad Sunlit Uplands?

We have so far focused our attention on the nature of the early stages of the conflict into which we are doomed to be plunged thanks to the witlessness of our political class and the hostility of at least parts of it to the British nation. Now we turn our attention to the end of the conflict, and ask ourselves what it might look like.

Broadly speaking, there are only two ways in which a violent conflict can come to an end: a) a peace negotiated between two sides who consider themselves to be essentially undefeated but no longer interested in fighting a war, for whatever reason, or b) a peace whose terms are dictated by one side, the victor, to the other side, the defeated. Needless to say, this is a simplification, but it is one that is useful for our purposes here.

The best example of a negotiated peace for our purposes would be, of course, the Troubles. Arguably, the Troubles were not a two-sided conflict, but an unorthodox three-sided conflict in which two sides, the British state and loyalist paramilitaries, fought one, the PIRA, and all three had to agree to stop the fighting for it to come to an end. A good example of an imposed peace would be that which the Japanese were forced to accept at the hands of the U.S. during the Pacific War, which was an unconditional surrender and the military occupation of Japan.

If our government continues to implement immigration policies similar to those at present, and the British people are forced into a violent conflict with the Muslim population of the UK within the next twenty years, it is very difficult to see how they could possible lose it. The only advantage Muslims would have in this conflict, if advantage it be, is that they will start it with a greater willingness to inflict indiscriminate civilian casualties. However, atrocities of the sort that they will be so keen to inflict on us will very quickly result in counter-atrocities, as has been the case in every conflict in the history of the world, so this will quickly even out, for better or for worse. Bearing in mind our earlier conclusion, to wit, that British paramilitaries will be able to conduct a comprehensive bombing campaign while Muslims will be sorely restricted in this regard, it is difficult to see how Muslims could possibly prevail.

Assuming then that conflict is inevitable and that the British cannot lose it if they fight it in earnest, the question then becomes: will there be even the possibility of a Troubles-type conclusion to our Muslim Troubles, or will we have to aim for a Pacific War-type conclusion, which would entail the utter crushing of Muslims, their subsequent unconditional surrender, and our dictation of terms to them? We believe the answer to this question is that there can be no equivalent to the Good Friday Agreement this time around. As such, once they commence, our Muslim Troubles will have to be fought until, one way or another, by far the larger portion of the Muslim population of the UK has left and the relatively well-integrated remainder understands that it remains under the watchful eye of a government which will immediately act against troublemakers in the most draconian fashion. This is a bold predictive claim, and one we must now try to justify.

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Given the sheer violence of the Troubles, the depth and breadth of the sectarian hostility they evoked and reinforced, and the decades they lasted for, their most remarkable feature is, perhaps, that they ever came to an end at all. How did this happen?

The British and Irish governments had been trying to find a negotiated solution to the conflict for decades, which is precisely what they tried and failed to do in 1973—1974 with the Sunningdale Agreement. Though the IRA came close to defeat in 1976, its reorganization under a new leadership in 1977 gave it the structural robustness to wage a long-term, low-intensity war against British forces in Northern Ireland. Whether or not peace could be achieved was therefore a function of whether it and the other paramilitaries in the conflict could be persuaded to lay down their arms. We have made this point already, but reiterate it here: the paramilitaries were the key decision-makers. Without the ceasefires of the three main paramilitaries, the PIRA, the UVF, and the UDA, the killing would have continued, inviting retaliation and counter-retaliation. The paramilitaries that did not go on ceasefire until after the agreement passed, the INLA (which split from the OIRA in 1974) and the LVF (which split from the UVF in 1996), were deadly on occasion, but too small to derail the peace process. This is the only reason it succeeded.

What this means is that the Good Friday Agreement not only had to convince at least 70% of the population of Northern Ireland to vote in favour,[12] but also had to convince the main paramilitaries to abandon violence. How does one craft a compromise between two sides to such a violent conflict, a compromise in which both feels it is getting more than it is giving up, when both sides feel themselves to be undefeated and still possess the means to wage war? What political alchemy made this possible?[13]

By the early 1990s, there was a growing recognition on the part of on both sides of the conflict that the only alternative to killing each other in perpetuity would be a political solution that, by its very nature, would require compromise. The Troubles had already lasted for about 25 years, and had blighted the lives of the people of Northern Ireland for all that time. There had long been a realization at leadership level in the PIRA that forcing a British withdrawal from NI by force of arms alone was not a realistic strategy. Violence in the province had peaked in 1972, drastically declined in 1977, and stayed more or less at that level ever since. By the early 1990s, preparations had been in the works for a long time to move the PIRA in the direction of constitutional politics, though news of this radical plan was not communicated to PIRA volunteers until it was well-developed and had real momentum behind it.

For their part, loyalist paramilitaries were also moving in the direction of politics, with senior figures in the UVF and UDA trying to determine if there was a way in which the killing could stop. However, it must also be acknowledged that loyalist paramilitaries went through a resurgence in the early 1990s that saw them kill relatively large numbers of Catholics, Sinn Fein politicians and their family members, and republican paramilitaries. Some years in the early 1990s, they out-killed the PIRA for the first time ever. They had effectively demonstrated that they could terrorize the Catholic community of NI just as effectively as the PIRA could terrorize the security forces and the Protestant community, and this is thought by some (including the loyalist paramilitaries in question) to have contributed to a sense on the part of the PIRA that the time had come to bring the conflict to an end.

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If we consider our Muslim Troubles in this light, we see more clearly than ever before what an unmitigated disaster Muslim immigration is dragging us towards. Every single one of the foundations of the Good Friday Agreement will be absent in our Muslim Troubles. As we put it in our previous document:

The Good Friday Agreement of 1998, which brought an end to the Troubles as commonly understood, essentially resulted in nationalists being granted a fairer share of political power, and unionists being provided with a guarantee that a united Ireland could only be brought about with the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland. This is how these two different peoples of Northern Ireland have found a way, at least for the last twelve years, of living together in relative peace. But this cannot happen in the event of a conflict between the British and their Muslim fifth column. Indeed, every single part of this compromise in the Good Friday Agreement would be meaningless at best, absurd at worst, in the context of a possible violent conflict of this nature.

As we have already established, the Muslim community of Britain is parasitic with respect to both financial and social capital, criminal and subversive, aggressive and rapidly growing. Its characteristics in these regards are not things it could alter even if it wanted to. Moreover, we cannot grant Muslims the vote, because we have already given them the vote. We cannot give them a fair slice of the economic pie, because they already suck out far more than they put in, consuming wealth created by others with nary a word of thanks. We cannot guarantee them that they will not be incorporated by force into our country, as they are already trying to get every mother’s son in here themselves, by hook or by crook, with the express purpose of being incorporated into it, at least in some sense. And we cannot grant them political influence commensurate with the contributions they make to British society, as their contributions to British society are all severely negative, and the political influence they already have is entirely undeserved and increasingly resented by the indigenous population.


It will be clear to the British people in the case of tribal conflict between them and their Muslim fifth column that defeat will result in the disappearance of their civilization, their way of life, and their existence as a people. Accordingly, they will have to win it, which means they will have to do what needs to be done to win it, which means they will have to do a great many violent and unpleasant things, things that, though quite inconceivable to many at present, will seem right and obvious to most when the nature of the conflict has become sufficiently clear.

Let us expand upon this here. Firstly, though nationalists and unionists have reconciled themselves to the legitimacy of each other’s traditions in NI, it cannot be said of the UK that there are two traditions, the British tradition and the Muslim tradition, both equally valid in their own right. It can only be said that there is the British tradition, and the cultural psychopathy of the various Muslim peoples who, having escaped their own miserable countries, are now busy recreating them in microcosm in Britain. This latter is not a ‘tradition’ whose legitimacy we will have to, or even could, acknowledge. It is antimatter to our matter and, sooner or later, we will have to take steps to ensure that it cannot annihilate us. Enjoying a glass of beer at the village pub on a Sunday afternoon and kicking the daughter-in-law down the stairs because she burned the chapattis are not two facets of two equally valid traditions of the British Isles. They are behaviours of the British people and our Muslim fifth column respectively.

Secondly, it is observed across Europe that, among the main factors driving hostility between Europeans and Muslims is the overwhelming criminality of the latter. We will not revisit this matter in detail here; rather we will content ourselves with the observation that a peace that allowed degenerate Muslim peoples to continue to inflict the multitudinous costs of their crime on any given European people is a peace that would evaporate fairly quickly. In many countries, this appears to be the key driving force behind the rapidly escalating European-Muslim conflicts. Unfortunately, a criminal population cannot simply decide to stop being criminal in the way that a paramilitary organization can decide to stop shooting people. Muslim populations throughout Europe are characterized by contempt for us, contempt for our laws, contempt for the rigours of our prisons, low psychological barriers to the use of violence, and feeble, if not downright non-existent, educational and professional achievements. Such peoples cannot suddenly stop being what they are, and only an exceptionally draconian crackdown by the state could conceivably dampen their criminal ways. This crackdown would be far too one-sided for the Muslim side to accept it as part of a political solution to violent conflict. Reading about the sheer everyday thuggishness of Muslims in countries such as Sweden, the Netherlands, and Belgium, one sometimes gets the impression that every other young Muslim male would have to be locked up to restrain the pathologies of these communities as wholes. This would be internment, not a step towards peace.

Thirdly, there would have to be a drastic scaling back of the extent to which Muslims could have all the good things of this world provided for them by the British taxpayer. Saying, in effect, ‘you will continue to massively subsidize people you are currently at war with’ will be a good way to break off negotiations between the British government and British paramilitaries. But saying ‘you will no longer receive any significant transfers of wealth from the British taxpayer’ to Muslim paramilitaries will condemn their communities either to lives of the most appalling urban squalor or an undignified return whence they came. Northern Ireland is small enough that the entire population can be somewhat subsidized by the UK as a whole, which is something that already happens with Scotland, Wales, and parts of England. But there does not exist in Britain the financial wherewithal to throw money at millions of increasingly hated Muslims in perpetuity. Historically, the victor in a war receives an indemnity from the vanquished. It will be quite a thing if undefeated British paramilitaries are expected to see their communities pay one instead.

Fourthly, the rate of growth of the Muslim population is so rapid that any 'peace' between it and the British would have to act to curtail this growth very quickly and even, in all likelihood, partially reverse it. In the absence of the overwhelming paramilitary violence that is already ruled out through our stipulation that we refer here to a peace agreement, this latter would only be achievable through a large-scale repatriation program that put significant pressure on Muslims to return to their countries of origin. A peace that let the Muslim population continue to colonize the UK, more or less quickly, would be of no utility to British paramilitaries uninterested in allowing the enemy to rest, recuperate, reinforce, and then reinitiate hostilities when it was in a better position to do so. A peace that ends the conflict without addressing the demographic time-bomb of Islam is a peace that could only thrust one’s children’s generation into a far more desperate and destructive conflict. Who would accept this and why?

The only peace that British paramilitaries would be likely to accept in return for laying down their arms would be one that allowed them to resolve the four issues above to their satisfaction. In other words, this negotiated peace would have to curtail and at least partially reverse Muslim immigration, pull the rug of the welfare state out from under the feet of Muslims (despite the fact that, by and large, they cannot function without it), ruthlessly clamp down on their criminality, and acknowledge and reinforce the absolute cultural supremacy of the indigenous people of Britain, referred to in happier times simply as the British. But this is not a negotiated peace at all! Rather, it is the peace that would follow the crushing victory of the British paramilitaries and the defeat of their Muslim enemies, who will find themselves being promptly deported if they are lucky. Our attempts to sketch the outline of a negotiated peace have instead demonstrated why none could exist.

Any conceivable peace process mediated between British and Muslim paramilitaries will be about as fruitful as the Israel-Palestine peace process, which is to say it will be very heavy on process, but deliver decidedly little in the way of peace. There simply does not exist a negotiated end to the Israel-Palestine conflict that could satisfy a critical mass of the key actors on both sides of that conflict. The same will be true of our Muslim Troubles.

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In closing, the author begs the indulgence of his readers here as he inserts a personal anecdote into this document. Driving through Ireland not so very long ago, he picked up a hitch-hiker in County Donegal. This hitch-hiker, his Scottish accent notwithstanding, was an Irishman who was obviously a staunch member of what could be called the republican tradition. As we passed through the small town of Dunfanaghy, he told me that it had a large Protestant population. Indeed, his attitude seemed to be that it had virtually been taken over by Protestants during the Troubles, the Protestants in question coming across from the Six Counties, as my hitch-hiker would have put it, to get away from the violence for a while. Apparently they bought up holiday homes in the town, thereby spurring on a new wave of construction which had, in his opinion, ruined the place.

If one reflects upon it, this is quite a thing to them to have done. The nationalist people of Northern Ireland are, overwhelmingly, those members of the historic Irish nation who ended up north of the new border after the partition of Ireland. Though the reality of partition has undoubtedly fashioned in them a consciousness that their brethren in the Republic of Ireland cannot entirely share, it has hardly turned them into two unrelated peoples, unconcerned by each other’s woes or sufferings. On the contrary, it is precisely the continuing sense of shared nationhood that has led the push for a united Ireland. Yet, somehow, unionists engaged, at least in some sense, in a violent conflict with nationalists north of the border felt happy travelling south of it to buy up homes in a country populated entirely by those who were, historically speaking, more or less the same people they were in conflict with in Northern Ireland. Is this not indicative of the fundamental compatibility of the peoples in question, and, however much it might irk both sides to read it, their similarity?

Now, when a vast swathe of the urban UK descends into tribal violence, would any British person ever say, ‘Oh well, at least we will be able to get away from it for a while by buying a holiday home in Karachi’? Ignore for a moment the logistical difficulties involved in heading off to Karachi for the weekend and focus on the psychological implications. Not only is Karachi a truly horrendous-sounding place, but it is full of Pakistanis. Why, precisely, would any British person wish to escape our Muslim Troubles by fleeing to the country that is the single biggest source of those Muslims?

Not a single one of the good things that exists in Britain could possibly exist in Pakistan, and not a single one of them will survive in any area of the UK that comes to be dominated by Pakistanis. The spread of these people in the UK represents the complete obliteration of everything that the British people have built over their thousands of years of history. This is why there can be no political compromise to bring our Muslim Troubles to an end. All compromise will be an option worse than war. Compromise is precisely what we are engaged in at present, and it is the increasingly intolerable nature of this compromise that will drive us to war. Why then would we pull back from that war to re-establish a state of affairs already judged inferior, and that would simply result in a return to war, further down the line, with a Muslim population grown larger and stronger in the meantime? Anything short of outright victory will be pointless, and British paramilitaries will presumably be clearsighted enough to realize it.

XIII. Note on Sources

The factual claims made in this document are not considered controversial enough to warrant rigorous documentation, which would add little of value. To the extent that any of the content herein proves contentious, it is likely to be the interpretative and analytical claims based on those factual claims, and these, of course, are the author's own and must be assessed on their own merits.

Nonetheless, to point interested parties in the right direction, we make a note here of the sources we relied upon for such understanding of the Troubles as we have managed to obtain.

  • Big Boys’ Rules, Mark Urban
  • Brits, Peter Taylor
  • The Dirty War, Martin Dillon
  • Fifty Dead Men Walking, Martin McGartland
  • The Informer, Sean O’Callaghan
  • INLA: Deadly Divisions, Henry McDonald and Jack Holland
  • Killing Rage, Eamon Collins
  • Loyalists, Peter Taylor
  • Mad Dog, Johnny Adair
  • Mad Dog: The Rise and Fall of Johnny Adair and ‘C’ Company, David Lister and Hugh Jordan
  • The Operators: On the Streets with Britain’s Most Secret Service, James Rennie
  • Provos: The IRA and Sinn Fein, Peter Taylor
  • A Secret History of the IRA, Ed Moloney
  • The Shankill Butchers: A Case Study of Mass Murder, Martin Dillon
  • Stakeknife, Martin Ingram
  • Unsung Hero, Kevin Fulton
  • Watching the Door: Cheating Death in 1970s Belfast, Kevin Myers
  • 25 Years of Terror: The IRA’s War Against the British, Martin Dillon

Those who wish to know more about explosives are invited to do their own research online.

But remember: you are being watched…

Link to the complete paper in pdf format


12.It also had to convince 70% of the population of the Republic of Ireland to do the same, but the outcome was never in doubt there, and 94% voted in favour.
13.It is important to remember that there is no guarantee whatsoever that the peace that today prevails in Northern Ireland will last. Though dissident Republican groups such as the Continuity IRA and the Real IRA are believed to lack the military muscle to engage in extended bombing campaigns, the recent murder of policeman Ronan Kerr with an undercar bomb shows that they are attempting to return to violence on a large scale.

Even if such groups are not capable of forcing a return to the war, this is not the long-term threat to peace in the province. The long-term threat to peace is the demographic reality that the Catholic population is steadily increasing as a fraction of the whole, and that this population is, of course, overwhelmingly nationalist. In the next twenty years or so, Catholics will come to outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland for the first time ever.

The principle of consent was one of the cornerstones of the Good Friday Agreement. Under this principle, all parties to the agreement recognized that the constitutional status of Northern Ireland could only change with the consent of a majority of the population. This was one matter entirely while Protestants were in the majority, but primary schools across the province are apparently already educating a generation that is majority Catholic, making the coming into being of a Catholic majority a matter of if, not when.

The inevitability of a Catholic majority is not some sort of unpredicted bug in the system. On the contrary, just as Michael Collins argued that the Anglo-Irish Treaty signed at the end of the Irish War of Independence would give Ireland not freedom, but the freedom to achieve freedom, republicans in Northern Ireland obviously calculated that the Good Friday Agreement would grant them not a united Ireland, but a sure-fire means to attain it. This goes some way towards explaining why republicans were, by and large, persuaded to vote in favour of the agreement. What unionists will do when faced with this reality cannot be predicted.

Previous posts by El Inglés:

2007 Nov 28 The Danish Civil War
2008 Apr 24 Surrender, Genocide… or What?
  May 17 Sliding Into Irrelevance
  Jul 5 A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 1
    6 A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 2
    8 A Crystal Ball for Britain: Part 3
  Aug 25 Identity, Immigration, and Islam
  Oct 4 The Blackhoods of Antifa
    26 Racists ’R’ Us
  Nov 25 Surrender, Genocide… or What? — An Update
2009 Feb 16 Pick a Tribe, Any Tribe
  Apr 11 Pick A Tribe, Any Tribe — Part II
  May 18 To Push or to Squeeze?
  Nov 2 On the Failure of Law Enforcement — Part 1
  Dec 5 On the Failure of Law Enforcement — Part 2
    7 On the Failure of Law Enforcement — Part 3
2010 Mar 25 The Death of Democracy
    25 Some Fallacies On the Subject of Crime — Part 1
    28 Reflections on the Civil War in Britain
  Apr 1 A Consideration of the Criminal Investigation Process — Part One
    2 A Consideration of the Criminal Investigation Process — Part Two
    5 On Vigilantism — Part One
  Oct 29 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 1
  Nov 1 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 2
    4 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 3
    2 Muslim Crime in the UK: Part 4
2011 Mar 10 Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part One
    11 Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part Two
    12 Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part Three
    13 Muslim Immigration into the UK: Part Four
  May 25 Our Muslim Troubles: Lessons from Northern Ireland — Part One: The Idiot Paradigm
    26 Our Muslim Troubles: Lessons from Northern Ireland — Part Two: The Chocolate Cake Diet
    27 Our Muslim Troubles: Lessons from Northern Ireland — Part Three: An Explosive Situation
    29 Our Muslim Troubles: Lessons from Northern Ireland — Part Four: The Military and the Paramilitaries


jollyspaniard said...

The IRA killed hundreds of people in the UK. Despite this the Irish weren't expelled from mainland Britain.

Cudoine said...

The Irish are cultural cousins of the British and ideologically driven to subjugate the British peoples, one of many differences between the groups that will necessitate the expulsion of the vast majority, bordering on totality, of muslims from Britain. Their status as colonists, as opposed immigrants, must be established in the minds of Britons with this the case becomes that of those ethnic French driven out of Algeria.

Cudoine said...

Make that "not ideologically driven to subjugate" if you would. Merci

gspencer said...

As the author sums up, there can be no compromise. Either a traditional UK or an Islamic UK.

What’s developing in the UK is its own Mid East like standoff. After 00s of years there is no peace in the ME. Why? One word, Islam. Muslims will not accept Jews as equals. Because Mohammed would not, because Allah gives instructions on how Jews are to be treated. Perhaps Jews under the right circumstances might be accepted as second class dhimmis, but as equals never. Netanyahu calls on Abbas to say six words, “I will accept a Jewish state.” These words will never clear a Muslim’s throat.

In NI the two sides were rooted in a culture of general Christianity where the Golden Rule prevailed. The universal golden rule of loving your neighbor does not exist in Muslim cultures. The Islamic GR, such as it is, restricts charity only to other Muslims and at that there are lots of conditions. Natural tragedies occur routinely across the world, e.g., the 2004 earthquake and tsunami, many affecting Muslim areas. Muslim countries were remarkable for the aid that THEY NEVER SEND.

There is no peace because the Muslim does not want peace, only dominance. Forget any sort of negotiated settlement to the coming European Muslim Wars. When it comes to Muslims duality controls. There is no middle ground. Muslims believe in their own superiority and the superiority of their legal system, sharia, which holds that a non Muslim will never rule or govern a Muslim. This necessarily forecloses UK Muslims genuinely accepting UK law. If Allah says to kill in the name of Islam, then for the Muslim, the issue is closed. You do as Allah says. Period. This is the mentality we are dealing with. We’re foolish in wishing things were different. In the battle between civilization and 7th century barbarity adults must be in charge if we wish to protect ourselves, our families, our country. The wars to come must be fought as wars to the death. That much is at stake.

john in cheshire said...

El Ingles, I've read all parts of your dissertation and have found it very thought-provoking. In general I am in agreement with your analysis and conclusions.
I have two questions :
Funding of the English paramilitary movements and obtaining armaments. I know the Irish paras used to forcibly collect money from the Irish pubs in London and probably other cities in England. Do you feel this will be the way money is obtained for our muslim war? And creating routes for guns and ammunition would appear to be an obstacle;how would you see that being over-come?
Secondly, do paramilitary organisations just spring up overnight? I doubt it, so is there any evidence that parts of our English nation have begun the necessary preparations for such bodies of fighting men?

El said...

hi john,

these are all good questions that i was going to write about. however, the essay was already threatening to spill over into unmanageability, so i decided to stick with what i had and hold it to about 30,000 words.

on the subject of funding, the IRA got most of its funding from the irish-american community, i believe. they would also rob banks when necessary, run welfare scams, engage in racketeering, etc., as did the loyalist paramilitaries. i wouldn't like to try and predict exactly how our side will fund itself in our own conflict, but the key point is that we are a wealthy country and there shouldn't ultimately be a shortage of money.

around about 1969, the IRA had to start rearming itself. under its then chief of staff (before the split into the Provos and the Officials), it had sold off most of its guns to welsh nationalists of all people, and had very little left. so the provos-to-be started scraping up whatever they could get, shotguns, old stuff stashed after the easter rising, whatever they could get. however, it was the stuff they started smuggling in from the states that really made them a force to be reckoned with, the armalites etc. basically, they had to smuggle stuff in. the loyalists smuggled some stuff in, they got one big cache from lebanon in, and had lots of others seized. but they had a lot of weapons leaked to them by the UDR, which was always riddled with loyalist sympathizers and some of whose people were actually in the UVF etc. there is an obvious parallel with the british army/territorial army, which will be a chief source of weapons for british paramilitaries, i would have thought. a lot of stuff will start to go 'missing.' bear in mind that there are however many hundreds of thousands of shotguns out there as well, and that both america and the continent could be big sources of weapons, the US in particular.

as for where a paramilitary comes from, that's something else i was going to write about but couldn't fit in. the PIRA and the UDA basically emerged out of the defence committees that went out onto the streets in nationalist and unionist areas respectively when law and order broke down. too much going on for the security services to keep track, lots of angry people organizing in ways that the government couldn't have stopped, lots of heads coming together and starting to talk. very hard, i think, to organize something like that in advance, it would get infiltrated very easily. it's when things start getting chaotic and spiralling out of control that the opportunities arise. bear in mind that muslims, with all their 1000s of would-be terrorists, have this far failed to create an organization in the UK that would come up to the IRA's knees. very, very hard to avoid infiltration when the security services can focus their attention on you. hence the focus on lone wolf terrorism, not open to being compromised by informers etc., but also not useful for ongoing campaigns unlike the IRA. informers, counter-intelligence, etc. a big topic in their own right. would like to write about it, but again, couldn't fit it in this one.

El said...

the UVF was a tad different, much smaller than the UDA which was a legal street movement with 10s of 1000s of members at its height. mainly ex-military, clandestine, actually formed in 1966, killed a few people, had its leader put in prison, but then really took off in the early 70s when the lid was flying off the whole situation. i would guess that there are already many people in the army and the police who are quietly talking things over amongst themselves, knowing who they are talking to and confident that they are amongst friends and are not likely to be being informed upon.

bear in mind that even in a relatively small environment such as NI, there were lots of paramilitaries on both sides. in our conflict, with its much greater number of people, we can expect far more, overlapping, cooperating, competing, fighting with each other, coming into existence, going out of existence, etc. it will be very messy.

let me put it to you like this. have you ever seen that footage of wildebeest crossing crocodile-infested rivers in the serengeti? they gather on the riverbank in a huge clump, holding back, holding back, and then they all jump in together and pound across. if you're the first there and you just jump in, the crocs get you for sure. but if you wait until there are hundreds of you, then there's no way they can get you all, and most of you get through. it will be the same with us. not very much for a long time, then a massive surge as things burst apart. and then the police/MI5 won't be able to keep up. i would guess they're already flat-out with the muzzies and the RIRA etc. they will have no capacity left for us. remember that the ringleader of the 7/7 bombings was known to them, but they decided that he was not worth following up on. that's how stretched they are. when we start turning and going for the muzzies, they won't have a chance. that's my take on it.

lastly, remember that the army will be keeping people from each other's throats in the worst-hit areas, birmingham, bradford, etc. there won't be an immediate need to start shooting, there will be time for it to grow and develop. it was two and a half years from the Bogside riots to Bloody Sunday, which really lit the touchpaper. these things are bound to take a while. it would be great if there were some huge paramilitary in waiting to wipe the floor with the muzzies, but sadly it can't work that way. but then they suffer from the same problem.

on-my-own-in-berkeley said...
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on-my-own-in-berkeley said...

"There simply does not exist a negotiated end to the Israel-Palestine conflict that could satisfy a critical mass of the key actors on both sides of that conflict. The same will be true of our Muslim Troubles."

This is OT but since it is mentioned:

When Bill Clinton met with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Araft, Clinton and Barak offered Arafat an agreement under which the Palestinians would have received, by reliable report, about 98% of what they SAID they wanted--including a sharing of Jerusalem. You don't get any better than this in negotiations. In fact, you seldom get as good as this. Natually, the Palestinians would have had to recognize Israel's right to exist.

It is true that there were grave misgiving in Israel, not just because some people thought that Barak was "giving away the farm," but also many people were afraid that that the agreement would open Israel to more Palestinian attacks and therefore more murders and maimings of Israelis. Nevertheless, the Israelis wanted (and still want)peace and there was general consensus that Barak would have been able to deliver the Knesset's vote for this agreement. In other words, this peace agreement would have been ratified by Israel.

Arafat walked away without accepting the offer. He proceeded to visit various Arab Muslim capitals and to consult with various Arab leaders, but he never responded, verbally, to this generous offer. Instead, within months, the "intifadah" began--more Muslim armed agression and violence. That was the Palestinian response.

More recently, the former Israeli Prime Minister Olmert offered Abbas the same deal. Abbas didn't even bother to respond. And why should he? He knew he had the Obama Administration on his side. Palestinians and other Muslims are convinced that they are almost within striking range for the obliteration of Israel.

on-my-own-in-berkeley said...

I actually misread El's comment. He is factually correct, so my comment was Really OT. Nevertheless, I'll let it stand. If blog administrators want to remove it, I'll leave it to them to do so.

In Hoc Signo Vinces† said...

The article paints a picture of a failed state -the British State, and indeed to be brutally honest it is a failed State one that is increasingly alienating its populace.

By definition paramilitarys would be declaring war on the very State they would be claiming to defend. Cynicaly blindfolding the populace to the constitutional and political reallity of that failed State with the Union Flag could bring the entire strategy crashing down on their heads.

urah2222 said...

El Ingles -

If "the balloon goes up"the traditional UK populace should be satisfied with nothing LESS than total capitulation. A strong boot on Abdul's neck and a large cleaver in the right hand to lop off his head on account of any funny business.
ISLAM would have it no other way were they to prevail.

Dr. Shalit

Hesperado said...

After reading this part of a comment to a reader by El Ingles, I'm confused:

...they will have no capacity left for us. remember that the ringleader of the 7/7 bombings was known to them, but they decided that he was not worth following up on. that's how stretched they are. when we start turning and going for the muzzies, they won't have a chance. that's my take on it.

lastly, remember that the army will be keeping people from each other's throats in the worst-hit areas, birmingham, bradford, etc. there won't be an immediate need to start shooting, there will be time for it to grow and develop. it was two and a half years from the Bogside riots to Bloody Sunday, which really lit the touchpaper. these things are bound to take a while. it would be great if there were some huge paramilitary in waiting to wipe the floor with the muzzies, but sadly it can't work that way. but then they suffer from the same problem.

1) Is El Ingles drawing on the IRA history as an example of how ordinary non-IRA people (civilians and military, ex- or otherwise) formed paramilitary vigilante groups to try to fight against the IRA?


2) Is El Ingles drawing on the history of the IRA to depict the IRA as a good instructive example of how the people should now try to proceed against the Enemy conceived as both the Muslims and the British Government (even if he apparently theorizes that the people won't have to fight much against their own government whilst also fighting against Muslims -- if only because their own government will be too "stretched" by the Muslim problem)?

If Door #1, can El Ingles provide evidence that ordinary people + military (ex- and otherwise) banded together in significant battles against the IRA?

If Door #2, El Ingles and his prominently approved (both by Baron and by readers) showcasing here shows the depth and extent of the gnostic alienation infecting the AIM.

El said...

Regarding Door 1:
Depends what you call a battle. The Troubles were not characterized by people standing in a line shooting at each other, especially not after the first few years, when the violence peaked. Look up the UVF and the UDA on Wikipedia if you want some idea of what the loyalists did actually do. Between them, loyalists killed about half as many people as the IRA throughout the conflict, which is to say about 1,000, most of them civilians. They did target the IRA when they could, but as I explained in the essay, identifying IRA members was hardly a straightforward matter, and neither was getting to them once they'd been identified. They didn't wear big neon signs on their heads saying 'IRA' and running around in groups, in public, looking for the army. If that's what you're looking for, there wasn't much of it, but surely you understand that it wasn't that type of war? It was mainly a tribal, guerrilla war, with all that that implies. Look up McGurk's Bar if you want an idea of how friendly the UVF could be to the people on the other side of the conflict.

Regarding Door 2:
Your point is well-made. My gnostic alienation is killing me. The doctor gave me some cream for it, but the itching just won't stop. I haven't pissed straight in weeks.

monkfish said...

Good posting,but for the author to say Scotland is financially dependent upon England is untrue completely. Scotland is one of the few regions of the United kingdom that pays its own way and spends what it earns in revenues,others being London & the home counties.

monkfish said...

Apart from the Scottish dependance on England comment,i can agree with the rest of your analysis on the inevitable problems ahead for England and the rest of the United kingdom,living here in Scotland i see the Scottish nationalists bending over backwards to accomodate the muslim vote in Scotland where most muslims in the country reside in Glasgow,block voting is where these people find their power and allure to power hungry politicians.

Hesperado said...

El Ingles,

Concerning Door #1, I tend to consider the Irish to have an excessively dysfunctional culture that seems to tend to breed "fitna in the land"; and I thus tend to support the British in their measures to try to control them.

That said, the pathology of those all too frequent bouts of violent conflict, while it may have grown out of that dysfunctional culture, that doesn't mean the various outbreaks of paramilitary violence involved the common Irish people in general (even if many of them more or less passively enabled it): i.e., the pathologies relevant here were indeed -- unlike with Muslims and their Islamic socioculture -- a "Tiny Minority of Extremists" -- or several Tiny Sub-Minorities ("tiny" being a relative term of course, capable of reflecting enough concerted individuals to wreak quite a bit of havoc when they set their diseased minds to it).

Thus, again, I'm not sure your example is relevant with regard to the common man. These paramilitary militias and guerillas didn't represent the Irish common man except vaguely, indirectly (in the sense that it derives from the general dysfunction mentioned earlier), and when "the whiskey was talking" so to speak. But to portray the various conflicts, troubles and terrorism throughout the decades in such a way as to imply that common ordinary folk in significant numbers dropped their bakery pans, their barber's razor, their janitor's dustpan, their pub's bar-towel, their painter's rolling-pan, their carpenter's hammer, their rock band's bass guitar, their nurse's bedpan, their doctor's stethoscope, their tailor's chalk, their lab technician's test tube, their Ph.D. dissertation, etc. -- and banded together to fight in any manner whether lined up in regiments or not, whether regularly or irregularly, would require more evidence to persuade me.

As for Door #2: there are off-topical solutions available on-line.

El said...

I wouldn't presume to comment as to whether the Irish have the dysfunctional culture you say they do. But I will say that to see Irish Republicanism in general as the violent expression of the pathologies of a few whisky-sodden Fenians is too ahistorical for me to engage with seriously. The PIRA succeeded in forcing the British Army, in at least parts of its *own country*, to move troops and supplies by helicopter because the roads were too dangerous (see Warrenpoint bombings, etc.). They were not a ragtag bunch of drunks, nor were they psychopaths. You echo, perhaps inadvertently, much of the rhetoric directed at them during the conflict by the British authorities, rhetoric that those who had to fight them knew to be hollow.

Martin McGuinness estimated, unless my memory fails me, that somewhere in the region of 10,000 people would have been members of the IRA throughout the course of the Troubles. Some died, most lived, many went to prison for however long. Add in all those who supported them one way or the other, in any one of a thousand different ways, including the old women who would send signals to let them know when an army patrol was coming their way by putting signs up in their windows, and I assure you they were a very long way from being a fringe phenomenon. All armies have long tails, with most of the enlisted not involved in the fighting, and many of those not enlisted at all still participating somehow.

El said...

Arguing about how deep the IRA's roots went into the nationalist population of NI without rigorous ways to quantify matters is difficult, but I will remind you that it was the victory of Bobby Sands (the IRA hunger striker) in being elected to the House of Commons in 1981 that gave the lie to the British claim that the IRA had no popular support. They were the sharp end of an Irish Republicanism that required, as I explained, the British Army to deploy so many troops in NI as to stretch itself to the limit given the six months out of thirty deployment limit (also explained in the essay). That was quite an achievement, and we should give them their due for it, whatever else we may think of them.

On the other side, the UDA at its height could get an estimated 40,000 men out on the streets at the peak of its strength, and enforced strikes and blockades in 1974 to bring down the Sunningdale Agreement, in which it basically took over the streets, creating a situation where the weak-kneed government of the day had no choice but to cave in. In a province of 1.5 million, 40,000 is an awfully big number, wouldn't you say?

As for the online prescriptions, I'm disappointed you can't recommend something off the bat, you seer into the souls of men and diagnoser of their spiritual ills. Dr. Hesperado, with his cures for all your gnostic ailments!

Hesperado said...

El Ingles,

By "dysfunctional" I didn't mean incapable of doing things on a practical level; I meant it in terms of fostering unhealthy excesses of resentment, victimhood, entitlement, bickering, violence, tribalism, etc.

As to the question of how representative of the Irish people in general were the anti-British fighting and the related internecine fighting amongst these Irish groups -- and what kind of representation we're talking about (passive enablement, sideline cheering, active enablement, actual participation), we have two conflicting (or at least dissonant) dynamics going on here, relative to our apparent disagreements:

1) To the extent that the mustering, organization of, and participation in the violent fighting, terrorism and disorder altogether was broadly representative of the common Irish people, then so much the worse for them and their sociopathic culture, and good for the British government for ruthlessly doing what they could to try to control them. There is no parallel between the enemy of those Irish and our enemy. We would have to be immigrants in a Muslim country suffering under its rule (and under its unofficial Muslim lynch mobs) before any such parallel would begin to be applicable in the general sense (and concerning many specific particulars), whether or not one strenuously disagrees (as I do) that the British government and its "Elites" (plus a goodly number of its non-"Elites" as well?) were that bad or anywhere close enough to being that bad as to belong in the proximity of such a comparison.

2) To the extent that the mustering, organization of, and participation in the violent fighting was NOT broadly representative of the common Irish people, then your apparent attempts to draw pragmatic parallels about how it would (= descriptive) and/or should (= prescriptive) go down in the near future ought not to imply a broadly demographic pool from which would pullulate various militias and quasi-militias, but rather the far more delimited phenomenon of terrorist / guerrilla groups (which in the West in the past two centuries have -- pace certain Polar Leftists and Polar Rightists -- all been bad guys which our governments had every right, and responsibility, to try to neutralize). The descriptive pertinence of your example, then, suffers from a misapplication of contextual variables (a people and/or a guerrilla group fighting against a sitting government, rather than against invading Muslims); while the prescriptive pertinence veers from a mistaken application to a purposeful internecine vigilantism against our own governments and their "Elites" (who are either a tiny minority not representative of all the common people who agree with us, or number in the millions which thus explains their strange breadth and depth of power over the entire West -- I forget which it is at any given moment). This latter issue then arouses the misgivings of an unhealthy alienation afoot.

El said...

i will point out for the one person who failed to pick up on it (that would be you) that the objective of the essay was not to suggest that there exist exact parallels between our forthcoming muslim troubles and the troubles themselves. the objective was to examine the troubles, a violent, tribal, conflict involving both state and non-state actors in the UK, to see what, if anything could be learnt from them about the likely course/characteristics of another, rapidly approaching violent, tribal, conflict that will involve both state and non-state actors in the UK. perhaps this was an outrageously off-the-wall thing to do. but given that your objections to my text appear to be based on your mistaken belief that i perceive some exact strategic parallel between hypothetical british paramilitaries and the IRA, or the general strategic/demographic situation in NI in 1969 and the mainland UK in 2011, then there can be no further discussion until you read the essay again and try to understand it better the second time around.

to the extent that i predict strategic overlap between future british paramilitaries and paramilitaries involved in the troubles themselves, i predict said overlap with the *loyalist* paramilitaries, not their republican opposites, which nullifies what seems to be your main objection, as their strategic positions were completely different. did you really not notice this? i know it is a long essay, but if you are going to offer up your supposedly-devastating critiques, you should try and grasp what you are critiquing. go back to section 7 and read it again.

El said...

much of the discussion in the essay is about the huge *differences* between the troubles and our muslim troubles, (section 3, section 12), something you seem to have missed. as for your opinions as to the moral character of the irish and the legitimacy of the british response, they are of no interest to me, and i deliberately and explicitly sidestepped any moral arguments in the essay itself. as such, i cannot see why you would now try and bring them to my attention.

that is as far as i am prepared to go here. i engaged with you out of a sense of courtesy, as you had posted a few comments on the earlier installments. your endless nitpicking, couched in language designed to obscure rather than enlighten, makes it a chore to go any further, especially as you have already drifted a very long way from anything the essay is about, or anything i am interested in. if you credit yourself with such insight into the troubles and what they have to teach us, by all means spend a chunk of your life writing a densely-argued, 30,000-word essay on the subject, the better to share your insights with us. until then, remember not to define the terms 'would' and 'should' to native english speakers. they will think you are dick (= male reproductive organ).

El said...

i include that missing indefinite article in the interests of completeness.

Anonymous said...

I think you've forgotten the Third Insanity: the British government actively siding with the Muslims against the paramilitaries and the British people. In fact, I'd expect that, at least in the beginning, because a whole lot of the government is wedded to the idea of the Multicultural State and so in essence have already sided against the British people.

Hesperado said...

El Ingles,

"...the objective of the essay was not to suggest that there exist exact parallels between our forthcoming muslim troubles and the troubles themselves."

A comparison doesn't have to involve exact parallels to be mis-applied; and I don't believe I ever characterized your parallels as exact. Insofar as the two "troubles" being compared both involve people fighting each other and considering each other enemies worthy of being violently stopped, I'm sure unremarkably elementary parallels can be drawn. Beyond that (or beneath that) is where the problem of the comparison (as opposed to a contrast -- as for example to rebut PC MCs who like to trot out the IRA as an example of how the West has had its supposedly religious terrorism too) of the two troubles begin.

"...the objective was to examine the troubles, a violent, tribal, conflict involving both state and non-state actors in the UK, to see what, if anything could be learnt from them about the likely course/characteristics of another, rapidly approaching violent, tribal, conflict..."

Let's stop there for a second. There is currently only one violent tribal side in the West with regard to the problem of Islam: Muslims. If some Mad-Max vaguely neo-Vikingesque apocalypticists in the CJ manage to have their way (though I doubt they can, given their minuscule numbers), there would indeed be two tribalists wreaking havoc and fitna in the land. It doesn't have to devolve that way. One recalls the old saying "preaching in the guise of teaching"; in this case "prescriptive in the guise of descriptive".

While our Western governments (more sociopolitically contiguous with their People than the polities of any other society now or in history) remain infuriatingly remiss in their responsibility, and while this irresponsibility will likely entail over the coming decades a tragic amount of deaths and here and there social dislocations and damage to infrastructure on our side caused by the only violent tribalists in the equation, Muslims, one has to take a leap into a disturbing degree of alienation to extrapolate from this current irresponsibility into framing it as fundamentally and existentially inimical to a putatively massively disenfranchised (and therefore, by a higher law, righteously Revolutionary) People. And we're apparently not limiting this to any Revolution the West has ever seen before, involving a single region or polity -- but logically extrapolating to the entire West. This is a recipe and a vision of a global civil war on the scale of a World War. And, to the extent that the Dastardly Elites will have numbers sufficient to adequately entail (and reasonably cause us to expect) such a magnitude of conflict -- if they are supposed to be a tiny minority of strangely powerful Elites without the Vast Majority of the Common Western People on their side, then perhaps -- one can only conjecture to make some sense out of this welter of alienated theorization -- they will use Muslims and Chinese (there's our Gog and Magog at last!) for their armies against us, the Vast Majority of Common Western People, in this coming Apocalyptic World War...

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Hesperado said...

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"...that will involve both state and non-state actors in the UK."

As I said, the only non-state actors that behave in guerrilla and terrorist fashion anywhere in the West in the past 200 years have been bad guys deserving of suppression and neutralizaion by their respective governments (this includes the "Loyalist" militias of the Irish Fitna and Intifada (both sides being, if one wants to find an apt comparison, comparable to Sunnis and Shia). And, as I already said before, the only way the behavior of such criminal groupuscules becomes relevant to our problem with Muslim invaders (currently invading by immigration and propagandistic stealth combined with terrorism and quasi-guerrilla improvisations) would be if our own governments were in collusion with the Muslims -- "collusion" defined strictly as "knowingly in cahoots with", not as "stupidly enabling because of grievously mistaken assumptions based upon a broad sociopolitical paradigm that has evolved in the West reflecting a sea change in worldview throughout Western societies over the past half century" -- where if the latter pertains, you don't go around finding (nor I dare say would you be able find) Common People to organize with black ski masks and fatigues to blow up Parliament (and will there be bars full of ordinary people to blow up too, as we model ourselves after the "Loyalists"? but Elites don't frequent bars full of ordinary people, do they?).

" the extent that i predict strategic overlap between future british paramilitaries and paramilitaries involved in the troubles themselves, i predict said overlap with the *loyalist* paramilitaries, not their republican opposites, which nullifies what seems to be your main objection, as their strategic positions were completely different."

So too our superficial and Islamo-illiterate expert analysts say about Sunnis and Shia, not to mention about the Taliban and Pakistan's SIS. Just because two groupuscules fight and kill each other doesn't mean one of them is right, or that one of them is relevant, given the context in which their internecine pathology persists. Neither is the Western problem with Muslims comparable to the problem which a people have suffering under the iron fist of an evil government (where one does not compare Copts in Egypt with Shia in Saddam's Iraq any more than one ought compare terrorist Irish groupuscules on either side of an ancient tribal dispute with common people through the West living peaceably if more or less uncomfortably under their respective governments). Nor is a situation where a small region through the instigations of its extremist minorities has been fomenting Fitna through violent Intifadas and Counter-Intifadas continually on the verge of a Civil War-cum-Revolution-cum-War against a Western neighbor relevant -- either descriptively much less prescriptively to the rest of the healthier West whose people (pace a disturbingly not-too-small minority of blacks here and there) don't behave like Third World tribes.

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Hesperado said...


"...much of the discussion in the essay is about the huge *differences* between the troubles and our muslim troubles, (section 3, section 12)..."

If by "section" you mean the Roman numerals within your various "Parts" (nowhere in your long essay Baron divided up has anything identified as a "section"), then I have now read section 3 (III) in Part One. The gist of this section is that the Irish situation involved a "contingent" problem, whereas the Muslim situation involves an "organic" problem. While you allude therein to the difference of solutions taken to address each type of problem, you seem to imply that both -- if not properly addressed -- result in a problem of violence, and nowhere in that section do you imply that the resultant problem of violence has differences that would make responses to the violent devolution after the wrong decisions have been made (and/or right decisions not made) sufficiently distinct from one another so as to make a descriptive comparison irrelevant. Thus, one reasonably concludes you are drawing parallels in that specific regard, else you wasted a lot of words. It is the parallels that I have objected to, for the reasons I have already explained (and re-explained).

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Hesperado said...

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Meanwhile, your section 12 (XII in Part V) concerns itself with the end stage after the fighting between the West and its internal Muslims (which of course hasn't even started in the real world) has gone on and an end is being sought by one or both sides (though of course Muslims never seek an end that is really an end anyway, and they never will until their Eschaton is fulfilled). So this section is not relevant to my objections, which concern the process of the West developing self-defensive measures against Muslims.

Incidentally, your metaphorical analogy of the British response to the Irish (trying to characterize it as a series of mistakes which exacerbated the "contingent violence" whereas right decisions would have been likelier to avoid it) --

...which we can liken trying to avoid a contingent conflict to trying to cross a busy road in the absence of a crossing place, a difficult task which can, in principle, be performed in such a manner as to leave one unscathed. Each of the six key events listed above was, in effect, a car which the British government somehow contrived to collide with as it attempted to traverse the busy road of NI in the late 1960s and early 1970s, ending up battered and bruised by the side of the road with no convenient route back home.

-- I wouldn't necessarily object to, as long as one crucial feature is factored in: that on this busy road (really more like a multi-laned highway let's say) are not ordinary Western drivers in any given Western metropolis (where the majority are healthy and responsible drivers) but are reckless, irresponsible, on (or off) medications, have anger management issues, and half of whom are drunk.

Anywho, moving on:

"...your endless nitpicking, couched in language designed to obscure rather than enlighten, makes it a chore to go any further..."

The same could be said of your longwinded essays, which force the reader to go down many different bylanes of metaphors and analogies, coupled with descriptions by you of complex events that may or may not be accurate but often have a ring of tendentious eisegesis which a reader would have to spend additional hours, after the hours wading through your essays, trying to piece together verification of a veritable jungle of facts intertwined with your interpretation of facts which in turn are woven so tightly into a bewildering network of joints and ligaments constituting the structure of your epic narrative, it often would entail even further hours extrapolating how cogent your broader points are.

"...if you credit yourself with such insight into the troubles and what they have to teach us, by all means spend a chunk of your life writing a densely-argued, 30,000-word essay on the subject..."

As I have been saying, I don't think they are terribly relevant to the problem of Muslims.

"...remember not to define the terms 'would' and 'should' to native english speakers."

I wasn't intending to define them as though I thought you didn't know what they meant: I was simply highlighting the difference between descriptive and prescriptive which Baron made such a big deal about, admonishing his readers that your entire opus about this only involves the former and not the latter; whereas it seems rather clear that that is a disingenuous characterization.

monkfish said...

I mentioned before the authour of this article portrayed Scotland as being wholly dependant on England,this could not be further from the truth as i posted earlier. I agree wholeheartedly with regards to the Islamic threat to the United Kingdom,where the proliferation of these Muslim communities are principally clustered in England's large urban conurbation's, I dont like the `LITTLE ENGLANDER` attitude from the author with regards to brushing off Scotland and the rest of the Celtic fringe of the British Isles as being culturally, economically lesser mortals to those who are indigenous to England,lets not forget that the majority of the Scots, Irish and Welsh were residing on these Islands well before most of our English cultural cousins. The Empire is gone, long live England and her people, though please stop disrespecting your Island neighbours & cultural cousins in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. We all know the problem globally, respect your neighbours in land , History, Technologhy and culture and then we can all concentrate on the hostile alien culture that is our common enemy.

Rollory said...

"one has to take a leap into a disturbing degree of alienation to extrapolate from this current irresponsibility into framing it as fundamentally and existentially inimical to a putatively massively disenfranchised ... People"

You're in utter denial.

There's no point reading anything further from you.

Hesperado said...

Rollory may or may not know that I was using the adjective inimical to denote its root meaning: the enemy (where "enemy" is properly understood to be knowing and willful in his hostility).

Post-modern definitions may tend to obscure this root meaning, though the dictionary definition certainly implies this, as it necessarily includes such words as "heinous" and "hostile" (words which also have been softened by the post-modern tendency to dilute important distinctions and to soften the edges of harsh truths -- where "heinous" used to mean downright evil; and where "hostile" also derives from a root meaning of an actual opposing army of an actual (as opposed to a casually and glibly hyperbolic "enemy" who these days could just be your business competition or your mother-in-law)).

Or Rollory doesn't mind the more robustly potent meaning implied in "inimical" and objects to my withholding it from our Western governments, whom he considers an actual, undiluted enemy. In that case, I would agree with his last sentence. said...

What El Ingles could not add to this long essay is the effect of mundane technological innovation on the warfare:
1) 200 $ machine gun.
It is not difficult to build a machine gun, if the will and the technical expertise is there.

2) to mass produce a machine gun a low cost workshop would be needed. There are plenty of them already with CNC and other tools useful for limited production. CAD/CAM would allow to produce them anywhere.

3) Some toys would be very useful in this. And would be very difficult to prevent their use from technological adept people. For example this: AR Parrot. Easy to use from your iPhone, able to carry a tiny but lethal load of explosive, with two video cameras (down and front).

4)Driverless cars and trucks. The nationalist will be able to launch attacks in the deep of the enemy territory without the need to use their men to drive it there. The truck can be laid full of explosive out of sight and then programmed to reach the target at the right time. Put a dummy on the driver seat to fool people.

5) A really wicked weapon to use would be a laser. Just note that the laser linked is made from a diode used in The Laser Home Theatre Projection Series from Casio. Just off the shelf stuff.

For spectacular strikes, larger drones can be fitted with the diode and used to blind (permanently) the enemies. This beat the killing of them, as blinds are a greater burden than dead people.