Thursday, November 29, 2007

That Fascist Pledge of Allegiance

Fascism and Nazism have deep roots, even in the United States of America.

The Pledge of AllegianceA compelling demonstration of this sad fact can be found in the seemingly innocuous Pledge of Allegiance, which was originated in 1892 by Francis Bellamy. Many Americans are unaware of the fascist origins of the Pledge.

The photos at the left show American schoolchildren saying the Pledge of Allegiance during the first half of the 20th century. In those days, as you can see, pledging the flag included a gesture known as the “Bellamy Salute”, which was identical to the “Sieg Heil” salute made notorious by Hitler’s Nazi regime!

Untold thousands of American schoolchildren were corrupted by this devious indoctrination until the U.S. government became aware of the practice and put a stop to it.

According to the Veterans’ Administration website:

Originally, the pledge was said with the hand in the so-called “Bellamy Salute,” with the hand resting first outward from the chest, then the arm extending out from the body. Once Hitler came to power in Europe, some Americans were concerned that this position of the arm and hand resembled the salute rendered by the Nazi military. In 1942, Congress established the current practice of rendering the pledge with the right hand placed flat over the heart.

Obviously, anybody who ever engaged in this kind of proto-Nazi behavior has been tainted by the practice and should be considered unfit for any decision-making position in our nation’s public affairs. Most Americans are unaware of — and would be shocked by — how many of their respected political leaders have engaged in this repugnant practice.
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Historians have tentatively identified at least two current political leaders in the above photos. In the top photo, the boy who is second from the left (in the back) appears to be Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI). In the bottom photo, the seventh child in the fifth row back is thought to be none other than Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA).

Citizens should demand that the leadership of our country be cleansed of former proto-Nazis. There is no place in public office for anyone with this kind of stain on his or her record.

Hat tip: BK.


FluffResponse said...

Anyone who reads this and has not been following the bruhaha will think you insane.

But we know better.

artsontime said...

beautiful put down of johnson at LGF. Enjoy your essays very much.

Thanks for your efforts

Ed Mahmoud said...

Sort of OT: Israeli PM Olmert surrenders before serious negotiating even begins.

Unknown said...

It gets worse & worse, Baron...

Many of the posters at LGF scream out "no fascists in my foxhole!", yet they have no problem aligning themselves with groups who have KNOWN anti-semites and rascists as leaders or among their groups. Who am I talking about, you ask?

Take a look at these:
Republican party:
Mitt Romney--this guy held his Presidential coming out party at the Henry Ford estate. Henry Ford is the clown who wrote "The International Jew". Ford was so anti-semitic that it isn't even funny (he even received an award from Hitler himself!!). When Mitt was told about the significance of doing such a thing, he held it there anyway saying some nonsense about Ford's bold, innovative spirit being like America. This I'm being biased about this because I'm anti-mormon? Take a look at this Haaretz article for yourself: ( I think Haaretz knows an anti-semite when they see one.

Ron Paul--Oh, Puuuuuleeeeaze~! This guy is such an anti-semitic goof ball that it's absurd~! White power groups link to his sites and quote his stuff by the GOBS (do a search and you'll see).

Both of these people are running for the President of the United states...with their parties blessings~!

Democratci party:
Robert Byrd--Does his name ring a bell? It should:
This guy pretended not to be a racist after the KKKlan fiasco in the 1940's, but his true colors showed at the end of his life. Mind you, the Democratic Southerners are not exactly a *small* group, you know.

Jesse Jackson--Remember 'Hymie town'?
I do. Please note that Jesse doesn't have just a few followers in America. He ran for President once~!

Now, I've heard Charles absolutely BLAST Ron Paul for being an anti-Semite before (good for him~!), but I've never seen other posters at LGF start to take the Republican party to task for having someone like Ron Paul running with the GOP's blessing for POTUS.
Not one.
The Democrats are even worse.
I wonder why the AMERICAN political parties get a pass among the Americans posters at LGF but the European parties who are trying to reform themselves are called liars...or worse.
I wonder how that works in their minds?
For the record, Charles hasn't weighed in on this so I don't know if he has condemned the American parties for having fascists and racists among it's leaders and followers.
~Norsk Troll

Ed Mahmoud said...

Ron Paul isn't running with the GOP's blessing. The Republicans don't select who runs in the primaries, they just pick who, that is running, they want.

I hope Paul runs third party. He'll pull more loonie voters, ie Dems, than Republican voters.

brown_paper_kid said...

Hi everyone,

I have been following the 'Nazi' issue for some time now. I find it really disappointing that the anti jihad blogs eg LGF, Gates of Vienna are indulging in a bitter round of infighting.

I think that it would be better for us all, and certainly better for the Western world for us to focus on what unites us and who the real enemy is.

I hold both LGF and this site in high esteem and although I appreciate the content and context of both sides of the arguement, I am of the view that we all move on and continue to oppose the true threat to our world Islam.

Ypp said...

You got it, Baron.

Any pledge of any allegiance to any state is fascist in nature. Any state is fascist except communist state, but communist state is known to be a transmission period to no state at all. Any government is fascist except impersonal governments like EU, which is not seen. Any person of power is fascist if he does not claim that his power is only to abolish any power. Power (includind electric power) should be posessed and distributed wisely only by educated and enlightened. No person, including your dad, can represent power, without becoming a fascist. Venseremos!

heroyalwhyness said...


SwampWoman said...

Ron Paul isn't running with the GOP's blessing. The Republicans don't select who runs in the primaries, they just pick who, that is running, they want.

Yep, you have to be 35 years old and a native citizen to run for president. There is no "allowing" to it. Here's a link to sign up to be on the Arizona ballot.

ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

NOW I know why I am not allowed to post at LGF. It was that pledge of allegiance in school 1940-1943!

Sodra Djavul said...

Your post may be satirical, but across the street it's par for the course.

CJ just put up an article on his site regarding the actions of a neo-Nazi "church" in Alabama that literally has six or seven members attempting to clean up their act by "getting rid of the swastikas" their Nazi congregation wears during services.

And what does he then do? He asks "Where have we heard this before?" linking back to his Vlaams Belang attack threads.

The comment section predictably attacks the VB and refer to the closet racists and crypto-Nazis (whatever the heck "crypto-Nazi" means).

I pointed this out last night, but I think the more apt acronym of LGF would be Lunatics Googling "Fascist".

- Sodra

OMMAG said...

Your readers already know your smarter than Johnson..... so why are you wasting our time with this bullshit??

Steven Luotto said...

The rift between LGF is a perfect reflection of the natural rift between America "the credo" and Europe "the cultures."

Magic Johnson needs to live in Europe for a while... There are many countries with fine cycling traditions. Like Coca Cola LGF should expand... abd set up headquarters in different countries... simply as a learning experience. I really doubt that Charles would return to California as a nazi stormtrooper, after touching base with the European reality. A couple of months in Malmo, or Milan.

In the European editions of LGF he could still go on saying that Gypsies from Zagreb are in every way identital to Swedish farmers and Scottish accountants. We would love him for that.

GOV and Brussel's Journal should start a fund to woo Charles Johnson to Europe (all expenses paid) for one year.

Or we can just forget about him.

(After all he's an easy banner. When things got really hot and interesting, he banned his interlocutors. All this talk of Fascism... and ironically, any Fascist European blog would have been more democratic. Debates that should have been on the same page, are now carried on from different blogs.

SorenK said...

If I were commenting on a trendy Internets site I might go something like:

"ROFLMAO, xd teh L337 Baron roxxors."

But I'm not, so I'll restrict myself to a:


Subvet said...

The slap fight between LGF and Gates of Vienna is getting old.

Give it a rest, let's get on with the counterjihad.

ZZMike said...

I believe you misinterpret Bellamy's salute. He wasn't a fascist - not even a Nazi. Most likely, he got the idea from the Romans.

After all, Bellamy introduced his salute in 1891 - a little before the Nazis were even a gleam in Hitler's eye. It wasn't until after WW II that we figured that Hitler had appropriated that same salute (again, most likely from the same Roman origins) and that we'd be better off abandoning it.

So it's both unfair and inaccurate to say that "... thousands of American schoolchildren were corrupted by this devious indoctrination ...".

Because it wasn't.

As for ID'ing the two kids in the photo, I'd need a lot more evidence - like, just where and when was the photo taken, and who did the identifying.

On the other hand, it may be the case that satire is wasted on the unintelligent.

AngleofRepose said...

I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all.

Sieg Heil!

Baron Bodissey said...


It's not a matter of intelligence -- unfortunately, I'm afraid I must have overdone the deadpan on this one.

I learned my deadpan from my Irish mother-in-law. She could fool me every time, and inspired me to do the same thing in my writing.

Inalienable Rights said...

The "deadpan" I worry about is DEAD People And Nations." The posting on the Danish civil war was frightening real.

I'm monitoring Brigitte Gabriel's ACT! for America grassroots initiative, and plan to use that as a vehicle for local change - Shariah-proofing my local city government and the like.

We need less chatter. We need way less sniping. What we need is a coordinated, results oriented approach to protecting the culture, with or without the help of the federal government.

Let's shift our focus to meaningful action.

OutlawX said...

Ron Paul's an anti-semite? Please, I guess anyone who doesn't eat Kosher is these days. All I know is I'm sick of Jew's, Muslims, gays, and everyone else being anti-Christian (of course I mean "in general"). Too bad that's politically correct these days.

As for the original posting, most useless one ever on this Blog.

Zundfolge said...

Please tell me this entry was a joke.

I often send people to this site because its a good source for counter-jihad information presented in an intelligent manner.

For a moment I actually thought I'd accidentally stumbled onto the Huffington Post or Daily Kos or some other kook site.

Trying to equate the "Bellamy Salute" with the Nazi Salute is just asinine, they both have their roots in the salute of the Roman Empire (an Empire that is revered by Nazis for their strength and revered by the rest of the west as one of the earliest great democracies.) I think the fact that it was dropped the instant the Nazis picked it up speaks volumes.

I guess next we'll find out that Charlie Chaplin was a Nazi because he had a "Hitler Mustache" (before Hitler did) and I guess the Hittites were Nazi sympathizers as well since they used the swastika.

Baron Bodissey said...

Zundfolge --

I said above, but I repeat: my deadpan was apparently too effective in this one.

I should have posted "BTW, this is a joke" at the end, or something like that.

Oh, well. I'll do better next time.

AngleofRepose said...

Some people need a satire radar installed.


Read the comments before you post - you might get it then.

Baron Bodissey said...

Angle --

Actually, people whose native language isn't English -- or even non-Americans -- would have trouble getting this particular joke.

I have to give them a lot of credit, because they understand my jokes in American a lot better than I get their jokes in Danish and Swedish and German and Dutch.

AngleofRepose said...

Fair enough, but this person is a creative director in publishing, right here in the good ol USoA.

Unknown said...

@ Ed~

Ron Paul isn't running with the GOP's blessings?

Who do you think you're kidding, Ed?

Not me.

If you don't have the GOP's support, there are all kinds of things they can do to hinder you from running: refusing to help you get funding, refusing to allow you to participate in the debates, running your down at news conferences.


Don't tell me that Paul doesn't that the GOP's blessings. That a lot of horse hockey and, if you're an American, you know it.

~Norsk Troll

cadgbd said...

This is not a meaningless tiff between lgf and gov. This article rightly points out the hypocrisy, or perhaps naivety of lgf. More ominously, it might possibly expose lgf as propaganda. Today I read a story about how some media outlets, blogs, etc, are actually run by the Pentagon psyops. Is lgf a psyops blog? Who knows.

Kudos to gov for exposing this glaring fact that the lgf and types will react to with utter outrage and denial!

In previous posts I have mentioned a Vatican connection, no disrespect intended to good decent people merely following their indoctrination. See

Sure we are on the same page fighting islamic expansionism. There is nothing wrong with some rivalry, like "Go Army! Go Navy" football teams. In fact this might be a good sign that the movement is growing.

In my very humble opinion, I see corruption as the real problem. Totalitarianism, either fascist or communist or religious, or whatever. Look, America is not even a full blown fascist state yet, but it can still wreak misery. How? By the use of economics, enforcing a debt based economy, manipulating the economy, money supply, jobs, etc. Indeed the pen is mightier than the sword and money corrupts absolutely. See

I refer to fascism as the corrupt collusion of government and private enterprise, resulting in a military that is essentially a private army, ex: BlackWater. Fundamentalist religions are very conducive to fascism. Please pay attention to what the pope says, please not the the church has been vehemently pro-illegal immigration, and breaks the law harboring, aiding and abetting illegals (no disrespect to good people meant). Why? Because there is money to be made from the cheap labor, and also the benefit of votes. Don't forget that illegal immigration has radicalized society, and weakened the middle class, broken the bonds of a culture that would otherwise be more resistant to the New World Order totalitarian scheme.

Beware of the provocateurs, false witnesses, false fronts, that really are secretly working towards the nwo. Consider that we are being subjected to psyops, to propaganda from TV, radio, advertisements, from school, church, the community, etc. Consider the secret financial bonds between politicians and "enemies" we fight. Consider the money trail. Ask yourself, who actually pockets the moeny in the final analysis.

The answer is corruption of the government for private interests. The American constitution is being trampled upon. Please do not misunderstand me to be touting any kind of socialism. Consider that in the end totalitarian regimes control all the money and power, just as in unbridled free market capitalism today in America, a few people are sinfully rich while there really live desperate lives.

So my point is that to win this battle we must recognize the cause of disease...the corruption of government by greed and treachery. We would not be facing this menacing of islamic invasion if the government did not want it that way. Please note how the government, church, and media all collude to empower this nwo.

Rah rah rah, go team. I am rooting for gov now, they have a better team and coach, lgf lacks vision, they might have been confiscated by psyops, who knows?

What will it take to break the strangle hold of the nwo? Shudder to think.

Sodra Djavul said...

With all due respect, that seems as kooky as some of the posters over at LGF thinking this is a secret conspiracy to return the Jew-killers to power.

Despite my issues with the site, I don't think LGF is a Pentagon psyops exercise. I don't think Blackwater's contribution is necessarily bad. The militias responsible for turning the tide in the American Revolution were themselves a "private army."

This entire issue was caused simply by the hubris of Charles Johnson. I think Charles has always had a good network of information. But never really big on analysis, never much of a contributor to the discussion. Just a post with a one-liner or two, maybe a comment once out of 20 posts, etc.

Now, he has an echo chamber of rabid urban American Jewish activists cheering him on as he makes ever-increasingly ridiculous assertions that the most pro-Israeli political party in Belgian politics are secretly Nazi sympathizers. And in the process using every leftist tactic in the book in an outright smear campaign.

As I'm sure one of these activists will cherry-pick my statement, let me be clear. I am still as pro-Israeli as they come, and strongly support every needed action in their support. It's the right thing to do because Israel is a cultural ally based on their system of democratic government, in contrast to their neighbors.

But domestically, here in the U.S., Jews by and large are my political opponents. They are by and large advocates of "thought crime"-style hate crime laws. They are by and large advocates of welfare state systems of government. And they are by and large highly partisan advocates for the Democratic party, a party which has sought to destroy this country from before I was even born.

I refuse to believe that American Jewish activists living in metropolitan New York or any other heavily Democratic urban underbelly has an absolute moral authority to dictate to me who or what constitutes Nazi sentiment without any form of documented evidence.

The Vlaams Belang is the political party in Belgium that espouses the closest alignment with traditional Christian conservative values. I agree with just about every one of their political positions.

And Charles and his activists want us to abandon them due to their "hunch." Sorry, guys. Go fly a kite.

- Sodra

KGS said...

Sodra Djavul: "But domestically, here in the U.S., Jews by and large are my political opponents. They are by and large advocates of "thought crime"-style hate crime laws. They are by and large advocates of welfare state systems of government. And they are by and large highly partisan advocates for the Democratic party, a party which has sought to destroy this country from before I was even born."

Let's be clear here. While traditionally Jews vote Democrat, they are also found in considerable numbers on the other side of the political aisle as well.

Let's also be clear that, many other ethnic groups make up the ranks of Democrats and other socialist parties in America, with the Finns over representing their numbers in the ranks of the Communists, but their contribution to wrong headed policies are hardly ever mentíoned.

In spite of real political differences of opinion, Jews are loyal Americans and yes, Sodra Djavul has every right to consider Leftist Jews, but also ALL OTHER ethnic group Leftists as political opponents.

I would also ask Sodra Djavul to consider the background of the reasons WHY many Jews vote Left and support Leftist politics. Centuries of discrimination, persecution and outright genocide have made Leftism at the turn of the last century an attractive alternative for Jews (and many other ethnic groups) who felt threatened by traditional conservatism which unfortunately emodied many of the qualities just mentioned.

It's a matter of irony that Nazism and Italian Fascism are the step children of Marxist, Leninist socialism and that Jews, Finns Swedes and a host of other ethnic groups look to socialism as the answer to many problems, while it was their worst enemy and subsequently for the rest of the world.

I would look at the Left as the problem and not those who make up the Left. The former is the problem, not the latter.

X said...


You mean the system and not the people trapped in it? To a certain extent... but a system can't function without people, and at least some of those people know that the system is at fault and yet continue to push it forward.

Henrik R Clausen said...

To get at least slightly back on subject, here's the pledge given by the early Muslims to Muhammad to wage war on all mankind:

As such meetings should do, it took place in secret around midnight. The Muslims were stretching out their right hands to greet Muhammad.

And Satan was present, too.

Don't worry, it's all authentic. Right out of the finest Islamic scripture.

kepiblanc said...

The good people down under seem to understand European-American matters better than we do up here:
The kiss of Death.

KGS said...

Archonix said... "You mean the system and not the people trapped in it? To a certain extent... but a system can't function without people, and at least some of those people know that the system is at fault and yet continue to push it forward."

What is of importance is the ideology of the Leftism itself. The ethnic background of those who make up the Left, is totally irrelevant. Ethnic groups can find their members on both sides of the political aisle, and on mulitple sides of any given issue.

So Sodra Djavul's beef should be with Leftism itself, and not with ethnic background of those who believe in it.

X said...

Oh, you're right, that's certainly not the impression I meant to give. The problem is a system designed to subjugate individuality in favour of the tribe. I was simply trying to point out that there are cynics who know this but support it anyway for reasons of their own.

It's largely irrelevant, of course, but my experience has been that the most virulently anti-human leftists are white. I think that might be ironic.

Sodra Djavul said...

I would agree that ethnicity should be irrelevant in a great many cases. However, I would disagree that ethnicity should be irrelevant in all cases.

The point that I was trying to make is that Jewish activists should not have the absolute moral authority to dictate who are Nazis without evidence.

Just as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson should not have the absolute moral authority to dictate who are racists without evidence.

In certain cases a particular worldview stemming from an ethnic-centered activism would render impartial thought impossible.

In many cases, I disagree with political views of Jewish activists. I think this is just another case of that.

- Sodra

KGS said...

Sodra Djavul said..."However, I would disagree that ethnicity should be irrelevant in all cases.

The point that I was trying to make is that Jewish activists should not have the absolute moral authority to dictate who are Nazis without evidence."
Hi Sodra, I must point out that it's not only Jews who are trying to dictate who is a Nazi and who isn't. Just look to Charles Johnson as just one example. It is THE LEFT that takes it upon itself to define Nazis, Jews are just one voice among the many.

Here in Finland we have the Left defining the "so called right" all the time, though Nazism is a Left wing phenomenon and the overwhelming amount of Finns voicing those concerns.....are not Jewish.

What is in question is Leftist ideologues of whom some happen to be Jewish, but the overwhelming majority of Leftists are why focus on the tiny minority?

By the way, this is a good exchange, thanks.

Epaminondas said...

Too bad so sad.


Papa Whiskey said...

"I don't think Blackwater's contribution is necessarily bad. The militias responsible for turning the tide in the American Revolution were themselves a 'private army.'"

Such could also be said about the Haganah, the militia of the Palestine yishuv that became the IDF upon Israel's independence.

Dhalgren said...

So Baron, this is a satire / humor site? Ease off the root beer, mountain dew, whatever.

Zundfolge said...

Well I feel better now :)

I don't read LGF so maybe that's why I didn't get it.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I don't care much about what gesture they make. They can drop their pants and moon the flag for all I care. The problem I have with it is simple: a pledge like this by school children? Fine, a soldier can do it, and should do it, it's part of the job. But a child? A minor? They can't do something like that. That's dangerous and close to the brainwashing we know from the Nazis and Communists (kids in China do this, and China is not a democracy as we all know). What if a child doesn't want to do this? It's madness. Personally I think that someone, who can't even drink beer legally, shouldn't make such a pledge. Once you're old enough, pledge whatever you want, but before that? No way.

As for the nazis in the US. I do remember that, either before the war stared or not too long after it had begun in Europe a US senator said that the Jews are the worst problem for the US.

Kiddo said...

So is it official then? Everyone is mocking everyone else?

X said...

When the entire thing descends to the level of farce, mockery is the only weapon left.

Kiddo said...

Oh Archon, mockery is so much more than a weapon. So much more.

But you're quite right about the descent to farce.

Sodra Djavul said...

What am I missing? LGF has decided to go its own way, and Gates of Vienna has chosen a different path.

Of course the mockery will take place. And by the looks of CJ's obsession with happenings at GoV (another post today), it will probably continue.

I propose that someone artistically inclined make the good Baron a cartoon he can put on his sarcastic threads so European readers don't mistake his intent. Since this is all about Nazis on the brain, my suggestion would be a cat sitting on top of his bed with his laptop peeking warily under his bed where a group of 10 mice are giving the sieg heil to another mouse with a curious-looking mustache.

Those of you who claim this is trivial and merely a distraction are terribly misguided. What CJ did was intentionally direct friendly fire toward an ally in a time of war based on horrifically incorrect information. Even after every claim was debunked by CVF, he refused to offer any form of apology, and continues his smear campaign.

Either we are at war or we are not. If we are not at war, CJ is irrelevant and Islam is peaceful and we can all ignore this ugly business. However, if we are at war, a military unit intentionally shooting at an allied unit is punishable by firing squad. Just saying.

Effective unit cohesion is built upon mutual trust. At a minimum, you should not expect your so-called allies to go on a berserker rampage based on information provided by your political opponents. CJ and those who have chosen to ally themselves with him during this episode have proven themselves unworthy of that trust, and therefore incapable of any form of further co-operation.

Sadly, at this point I see very little hope for any meaningful reconciliation.

However, there is a silver lining to this cloud. I think this rift shows maturity of the counterjihad movement as a whole. It was bound to happen eventually as the horrors of 9/11 slowly wore off of the Leftists in our midst. But based on their own actions, I sure as heck don't want LGF in my foxhole.

- Sodra

Kiddo said...

Sodra, oh yes, this rift definitely shows "maturity of the counterjihad movement as a whole". Maturity, that's definitely what I'm seeing. Plenty of getting down to business at hand and making decent allies. Quite refined.

Ok, seriously though, what did the CVF ever accomplish other than to prove to anyone who wants to fight the jihadis that anyone not fitting the Baron/Christine/Viktorya/etc. mold need not apply? The CVF has effectively divided and conquered it's own movement, marginalized it's own adherents and left the field clear for others.

It isn't leftists who have been factored out of the equation, they are actually (and by they I mean moderate-to-left) now more free to condemn the jihadis because of the marginalization that has occurred over this rift. LGF came out looking more sane to liberal observers, any stigma of criticizing Islamic extremists has lost significant luster all due to the fact that people are now discounting sites such as this, the CVF, Foehammer and so on as fringe extremists.

Yes, pat yourselves on the back. You have refined the ability of everyone else to sanely discuss dealing with the threat of one extremism by insisting on your own.

Sodra Djavul said...

CVF debunked every myth LGF presented as fact. None of the memes repeated at LGF have any more relevance than any of the hatchetjobs Democrats fling at their Republican rivals. Why?

Because CJ is getting his debunked fodder from the European equivalent of the DailyKos.

LGF and CJ have finally been exposed as Leftists, and immature ones at that. An unhinged child sitting complacently behind a computer screen throwing a temper tantrum because he was not given a line-item veto of attendees to a conference a continent away. A child outside of any immediate personal danger smearing those who have actually been arrested fighting the jihad. LGF has no sitting members of Congress. LGF has no political party.

Tell ya what. CJ or you get arrested fighting the jihad, and then your opinions will have enough gravitas to compare and contrast with Mr. Dewinter's. Until such time as that happens, go play with your toys and let the adults discuss the battle plan.

- Sodra

Kiddo said...

Sodra, oh please. It isn't merely LGF. Why so much focus on "leftists"? There are lifelong liberal Democrats who are also fighting jihadis alongside people not as elitist as yourself, and I know many of them.

I'm not with CJ, I'm not banned at LGF but I'm not particularly welcome. However, I did respond to you at length on your comment over at my blog. It was stirring. I even went over to some other counterjihadi sites to read some of my old writings. Posted under my actual name, in some cases.

As for battle plans, I wrote them up and posted them and somehow they got co-opted by certain other bloggers and turned into the monstrous CVF, so I do feel a bit responsible for having brought on some of this mayhem. I did a lot of work, and it was actually much appreciated by people like you before I realized what a wicked road I was treading.

But you Sodra, you're all grown up now, so I'll leave the war room to you. And I was serious, you have the floor. Feel free to define all of your ideas over at my blog. I don't delete or moderate and will even listen to what you have to say. Go for it.