Tuesday, February 13, 2007

Are Swedes Idiots?

The Baltic pipelineI wrote last December about the gas pipeline which Russia is building along the floor of the Baltic Sea to Germany, bypassing the former Soviet Bloc countries of Central and Eastern Europe. It is designed to give the Russians a way to put the squeeze on their recalcitrant neighbors in the “near abroad”, all the while keeping their good friends in Germany and Western Europe fat and happy on cheap Russian gas.

Part of the pipeline will pass close by the Swedish island of Gotland, and the accompanying platform has made Sweden somewhat apprehensive about the time-honored Russian tradition of spying on its neighbors.

Now Russia’s ambassador to Sweden has taken off the kid gloves when dealing to his Swedish hosts. The indefatigable Kepiblanc has translated this article from today’s Svenska Dagbladet:

Ambassador criticizes Swedish debate

Alexander M. KadakinRussia’s ambassador to Sweden, Alexander Kadakin, rather harshly comments on the way the discussions on the planned Russian-German gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea have been conducted.

The project includes a planned support platform a few miles off the coast of Gotland, among other things.

“The debate on this platform has reached an idiotic level, yes, pure idiocy, when some people claim that the supporting platform will become some sort of spy central directed against Sweden,” he says to Swedish Broadcasting Company’s Ekoredaktion.

Kadakin says, that he doesn’t understand “what kind of idiot could claim so in his reports to his Swedish superiors.”
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If Russia had any interest in gaining intelligence about Sweden — according to the ambassador — “we already have satellites which can, in realtime, read the license plates in every street of Stockholm”.

Kadakin emphasizes that Russians are not suicidal.

“We are people who think realistically. One often forgets that Russia is a Baltic state. We aren’t idiots who will poison our own ocean; we live there as well.” he says to Ekot.

If the Swedes were already nervous about Russian electronic eavesdropping, I doubt the ambassador’s words have done anything to soothe their anxieties.

Such undiplomatic phrasing — do you think he was hitting the Putinka bottle just before the interview? Or maybe it was just the local snaps


Hat tip: Reader LN, via email.

24 comments:

ln said...

This morning the Swedish PC state radio P1 announces that foreign minister Carl Bildt has pointed out that the decision to build the Baltic gas pipeline was decided as a part of the 'Trans European Network' already by the Swedish Social Democratic government in July 2006 in tight cooperation with the EU Ministerial Council!
"There is only one assignment for Sweden now and that is to facilitate the building!" he says.

For us ordinary citizens with some common sense there is something fishy with this projekt.
If natural gas shall be transported from Russia to Germany the cheapest alternative would be to chose an over-land running. However, transversing polish territory seems to be a political problem. Because of this the pipeline is meant to go offshore somewhere near St Petersburg -- through the Finnish Bay -- southwards in the Baltic Sea east of the Swedish island of Gotland -- down east of the Danish island of Bornholm and reach Germany on Ruegen.
WHY not let the pipe line start in the neighbourhood of Kaliningrad (Königsberg) on Russian territory south of Lithuania? The length of this drawing would be (only) some 38 % of the planned (decided!) one.

Fellow Peacekeeper said...

“We are people who think realistically. One often forgets that Russia is a Baltic state. We aren’t idiots who will poison our own ocean; we live there as well.”

Flat out lies. The Baltic is already one of the most polluted-poisonous seas on the planet, right behind the Aral and the Caspian. All Russian (sorry, Soviet) handiwork. The Baltic is just barely beginning to clean up following the collapse of soviet industry. The major existing source of pollution currently is St Petersburg, which continues to dump untreated effluents straight into the sea.

X said...

You mean I went swimming in filth? Argh...

ln, your foreign minister may well have been acknowledging that he has no actual choice in the matter thanks to the involvement of the EU, though he could certainly have put it better. Given the way the EU operates, if Swededn decided to object and change its mind about the positioning of the pipeline now they would have to try and convince the foreign ministers of at least 11 other EU members - or which ever ministry happened to do the objecting - to take their side, then try and further convince the majority to even agree to a Council meeting on the subject. And in all likelihood the EU court of "justice" would probably overrule any decision to change things.

So, in reality, Bildt is right; Sweden has its "duty" as assigned by the EU. It sounds like he's going along with this rather too wholeheartedly though, given the way you've described his words, which is worrying... politicians find it too easy to assign responsibility for bad decisions to the EU in order to declaim that it's out of their hands.

Zerosumgame said...

Are Swedes Idiots?

It would seem for the most part, yes.

And morally bankrupt ones, at that.

X said...

Somehow, I knew you were going to pop up for this one...

Asger Trier Engberg said...

Swedes are not idiots, they have just been trapped in an idiotic system.

I think, that when you actually start diving into the idea of socialism, it just so stupid that it difficult to imagine people actually accepting the idea in the first place.

It looks good at the surface, but when you start thinking about it, it is obvious that the system will only last max. 100 years - if you are lucky.

And the damage it does on its way... Sweden has to be extremely lucky to survive as a nation.

Tushar Saxena said...

Asger, I bet to differ.
India is living proof that socialist thinking can permeate so deep into your society rooting out indigenous free market trading culture that failure upon failure mount on.
Although you might be exclusively talking about developed nations venturing into socialism which I guess is a different idea, but maybe not.

ln said...

Strange that we have become such idiots -- or is this the explanation!?
Paul O'Mahony of the 'the local' (http://www.thelocal.se/6408/) today writes about the UNICEF report on children's well-being in 21 of the world's richest countries.
"The UNICEF Innocenti Research Centre examined six different aspects in an attempt to quantify children's happiness and well-being: material well-being, health and safety, education, peer and family relationships, behaviours and risks, and young people’s own subjective sense of well-being.
"The Netherlands topped the survey, closely followed by Sweden. Completing the top five were Denmark, Finland and Spain . Sweden was got top marks on three of the measures: material well-being, health and safety and behaviours and risks. The country lost ground however in the area of peer and family relationships, ranking in 15th position. Ireland and Canada both fared reasonably well, coming in at ninth and twelfth place respectively. Of the 21 countries studies, the United States scored second lowest, with the United Kingdom occupying the bottom berth."

Having taken part of 'Zerosumgame's statements for more than a year now, I find it quite obvios that his youth and childhood must have been most representative for the US average! Poor fella, hating his neighbour as much as he hates himself.

ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ said...

With regard to UNICEF, Their pronouncements remind me of the "information" spewed by Radio Moscow prior to 1987. As in most other UN bureaucracies, the political agenda defines the structure and conclusions of their "studies".

Unknown said...

"“The debate on this platform has reached an idiotic level, yes, pure idiocy, when some people claim that the supporting platform will become some sort of spy central directed against Sweden,” he says to Swedish Broadcasting Company’s Ekoredaktion."

Well since the Swedes found a Russian spy submarine stuck high and dry on the rocks in Swedish territory about 30 years ago, maybe it isn't pure idiocy.

Birkebeinr said...

Ordinary Swedes want to appear as idiots because they are frightened of doing anything else than Svenson does.

Every Svenson knows exactly which actions and thoughts the other Svensons would disapprove of. And behaves accordingly.

If you does´nt do what Svenson does, the more equal Svensons will punish you in public. With words or axes.

As long as you keep it a secret, some very few Svensons will in confidence tell you, they despise all idiot things Svenson does.

I believe the Stockholm ruling class tries to manipulate and nurse the totalitarian longing in the Swedish folkgeist. The ultimate goal, I suspect, is to pave way for the democratic dictatorship (demokratur). Promoting intellectual decay in the god cause´s name, keeping evil action clandestine ,inventing Stockholm syndroms by the numbers.

In such climate the Russians can and will intimidate their archenemy. Weakened by own hand, surrounded by halfhearted neighbours and old foes. Sweden seems to be going all in on a bad hand, fighting faces in the mirrors While Putin wield Russian potence regionally the way he sees fit. Uncontested.

A conflict between the Baltic states is inevitable. No wonder the Estonians joined nato and elected an American as president.

Sweden choose so called "moral power" over real power. Fellow Scandinavians should hope the Russians humiliate Sweden. Without might, arrogance is a patetic posture.

In Denmark, 1864 and Norway, 1940 Sweden
betrayed their brotherfolks in a massive manner. Such a disgraceful piece of history even our governments put a lid on it to this day.
Svenson has to be oblivious to this and many other uncomfortable facts - everybody knows
En Svensk tiger

Phanarath said...

Heh..

Russians are funny. I remember a meeting between Boris Jelsing and Clinton. Boris Jelsing was babling so it was imposible to understand it, he was basicly just saying wierd noises. Clinton was looking at him rather pussled. Then the jurnalists turned to Clinton and asked him what he thought. Clinton smiled and said; "I completly agree with President Jelsing". I laughed so hard I allmost fell down my chair.

Russia still think they are a major player, and that the countries around them will fall in line at their command. They may have lost a lot of power, but they seem to have kept the attitude.

5 or 6 years ago, while Denmark had the EU leadership, there was a disagrement between Denmark and Russia over a Prisoner in Denmark the Russian wanted - he was instead let go. The Russians was so mad about this, that they declared a boycut on everything Danish, and also they would stay away from a meeting with EU, unless it was held somewhere else. Anders Fogh, who was EU president at the time said; "Fine, just stay away then". Then they came anyway. And the boycut never realy happened or at least it was very short. The average Russians just didnt care for it. I remember reading some articles from Russians where they said, that they would much rather boycut their own obsolete goverment.

So here we go again with the "brilliant" russian retorics. I dont think it will meen much. The swedes are used to dealing with the Russians. So they will most likely just ignore it.

Birkebeinr said...

Hehe - the russians really has some hilarious sides, even the King does have a really funny Jelsin parodi. Saw him on the tv. Surprising that Harald V has such a good sense of humor.

When I come to think of it, winter sports might be a good parameter for measuring northern nations strength, and - we crush the Russians. Hmm - and the Americans and the Continentals aswell. A bit Chauvinistic but right.

drmiltown said...

Regarding the life style of Swedes, particularily children, in comparison to the USA, the findings posted above are absurd. The average Swede enjoys a life style equal to the average African American.

Taking into consideration the low level of education in the average African American community, and the comparitivley high rate of substance abuse, that doesn't indicate a very high level of life style for Swedes.

Additionally, the Swedish, liberally permisive life style has resulted in Sweden being over-run with a culture that hates them, and is determined to destroy what society you have left.

You will be lucky to be able to find a Swedish speaking person in that desparate little country in 75 years. And worst of all, Swedes, at least those that I have spoken to, are in glazed-eye denial about the threat to their country.

Swedes should get over having supported, at least tangentially, the Nazis in WWll. The guilt that you felt after 1945 is not worth ruining your country for. De-liberalize your society, and get back to having the wonderful country that you once enjoyed.

Birkebeinr said...

drmiltown, thanks for not bashing Sweden in the usual okie "sweden fuc.... useless commies" style. Since you don´t have a clue anyways. You know the Swedes have something called tradition and culture. Milleniums old that is. United States has truely been enriched by it.

I have been traveling across the US and no sir. Swedes does not favor the "f... the world" attitude that I have encountered in "etnic" neighbourhoods across the the states. Nor do they live in such a state. I have seen Usanian helveteshøl. Towns where people are so fat and ugly that even an multiculturist would turn Eichmann. Yes, I have been in New Mexico. Why doesn´nt Americans walk? You know, putting one feet before the other.

What does´nt kill you, builds you Nietsche once said. And if the Swedes really wish to exterminate themselves like Etruscans their neighbours simply would´nt let them. Especially not to some medival arab.

Since you mention it, Denmark,Finnland and Norway provided hitler germany with an entire front namely the leningrad campaign. The Swedes only had a few companies in Nordland and Wiking Divisions. They fought with distinction to the bitter end like the rest of the European waffen ss. In many peoples books the Frontfighters is actually warheroes. Say, the Estonians. They fought communism long before the US came up with the idea. And they lost. Don´t come dragging in with that.

Good damn, do you americans really know that Helsinki is the capital of Sweden?

Zerosumgame said...

Archonix said:

Somehow, I knew you were going to pop up for this one...

I'm glad I did not disappoint you. :-)

Brikbeinr

And if the Swedes really wish to exterminate themselves like Etruscans their neighbours simply would´nt let them. Especially not to some medival arab.

That assertion is not true, as most of Sweden's neighbors (Denmark possibly excepted) seem bent on the same cultural and demographic suicide.

drmiltown said...

Dear Birk:

I live in Minnesota. I am practically Swedish by friction. I love your culture. It has all the excellence's that I require of a society. Your culture is hardworking to a fault, clean, polite, family oriented, educated, musical, and generally wonderful to live around. Bless you all. Now, so very sadly, you are being consumed by a (our only disagreement) prehistoric culture that behaves in a way diametrically opposite to you. Yes the Swedes did allow Nazi rail roads, sell war materials to Germany,and allow passage of troops through, but they also fought them with machine guns produced in clandestine shops out of plumbing parts.

And by the way, I defrosted some lutefisk yesterday, and I just can't wait. Thanks for the lovely culture in yellow and blue hues. Oh, and your right, Americans need more exercise.

Good luck in the fight against Islaam,

doc

unaha-closp said...

It is designed to give the Russians a way to put the squeeze on their recalcitrant neighbors in the “near abroad”, all the while keeping their good friends in Germany and Western Europe fat and happy on cheap Russian gas.

Recalcitrant - meaning facist, ex-Soviet, Belarus that demands ultra cheap gas to keep pathetic economy afloat so it can repress in comfort. Or pro-Western Ukraine that tore up its contract in anti-Russian tantrum, then steals gas out of the pipes it refuses to pay for.

Birkebeinr said...

Hey Doc - be careful with that lutefisk. Be sure to pour lots of bacon fat over those hyperdead cod remains. And order every side orders you use with that fishy fishy lutefish in Minnesota. Hello! Lut? food?
I hope our children will laugh when they talk about those useless has been things - lutefisk and islam.

Rakefisk, my man - that is the really tasty shit!
Carefully rotten fish that melts on your tounge.
Gravlaks is also a winner. I guess the Norwegian delicatessen in Minneapolis got some of that good stuff.

Zerusumgame. You are totally clueless. You don´t understand that immigration of medival muslims is a gain for us. Their hopeless ways of living shows my generation that our forefathers ways are superior to anything else on our little planet. And that our parents, the 68 generation marxism is nothing else than naive pink dreams. If things come to that we can ship out all the unwanted aliens in matters of weeks.
Hey man - you don´t know shit about whats going on in Scandinavia. You probably never have been in Europe aswell. Tsss...

Kafir_Kelbeh said...

Birkebeinr said...Good damn, do you americans really know that Helsinki is the capital of Sweden

No, we don't...because our country has barely the capacity to educate our youth on American history, let alone anyone else's! (former teacher talking here...seen alot!)

At least there are enough in the US still educated and trained well enough to keep the economy going...my concern is the US Democratic Leaders, seeing the swirling and decay of Socialist Europe (not the Real Europe...the one I love), is clammoring and shouting "Oo, oo! Me too! Do me too!"


Phanarath said... Russia still think they are a major player, and that the countries around them will fall in line at their command. They may have lost a lot of power, but they seem to have kept the attitude.

I loved Anders Fogh...He reminds me of Reagan's regular confrontations when Russia was still the powerful CCCP! Remember the Reykjavik defence talks? Reagan walked out on the meeting...and the USSR caved.

Our best defense against anything that violates our heritage, laws, and customs is to stand up for them...either through diplomacy (or lack thereof) or battle.

Good luck, Sweden...your past mistakes are in the past...you do what you can to repair damage, but you can't be subjugated to your shame forever.

I sincerely hope your youth are accurately seeing past policy that's damaged the Swedish people, and that they're not afraid to stand up and take pride in the true Sweden...their Sweden!


Exit with quotes:
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." -Thomas Jefferson

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

Phanarath said...

Kafir_Kelbeh

Yours is the kind of attitude we need to save the west. Thanks :-)

drmiltown said...

Dear Birk:

Lutefisk is wonderful, both healthful and tasty. I make Graveloks myself. I got the recipe from a Norwegian beauty who immigrated 30 years ago. Although she is a staunch Marxist,Euro style, she reports that Muslims are ruining Scandanavia. She cannot make the simple leap of logic that attributes her silly leftist position with the decline of her country. Apparantly, Marxism is an irriversible stain on the intellect.

Gordon Freece said...

No, swedes are not idiots. They are root vegetables.

Mac said...

Dear Birk,

"Say, the Estonians. They fought communism long before the US came up with the idea. And they lost. Don´t come dragging in with that."

Now, there's some fantastic ignorance. The Estonian army refused even to supply, let alone fight with, White General Yudenich during the push for Petrograd in fall 1919. The Tartu/Dorpat Treaty ending Estonia's non-war against communism was actually written by the Bolsheviks, who insisted on controlling Estonia's railways and having special export zones set aside for them at Reval (Tallinn), so they could ship out stolen gold, cash, diamonds, jewelry etc. Your supposed hero of the Estonian "war for independence," General Johan Laidoner, not only rolled over for the Bolsheviks but happily signed off on the laundering of the looted wealth of Imperial Russia in his post-war capacity as President of Harju Bank. His partner? Olof Aschberg, Swedish banker and financier of the October Revolution. Who melted down illegally looted gold for the Bolsheviks? The Royal Mint of Sweden. Get your facts straight before you go impugning Americans for their ignorance.