Sunday, April 02, 2006

Aztlan and al-Andalus: Return to a Mythical Golden Age

Mike Austin has an intriguing take on the immigration marches, the La Raza push, etc. This aspect of the situation has been mentioned before, but he has a more complete report than most.

It’s about Aztlan (Aztec land?) and the fantasy of “taking back” all of the parts of former Mexican territory, both those that were captured in war, and those that were sold by Mexico to the U.S. when Polk was president.

AztlanAustin’s blog has good maps and a brief history of the process. But what is most worthy of your attention is his visualizatiion of the Aztlan dream. This map from his main page is the simple version, but you ought to click here,
also, to get a complete picture of the Aztlan group’s vision for 2080.

There is also a website dedicated to this idea. These folks are serious.

Isn’t this eerily like the Islamicist’s fantasy for the recapture of “al-Andalus”? Hmmm…don’t you wonder what Russia dreams about?

A contrary example: is there anyone in Britain bent on reclaiming India? Somehow I doubt it.

And Churchill said to Louis Mountbatten,
‘I just can’t stand to see you today –
How could you’ve gone and given India away?’
Mountbatten just frowned said, ‘What can I say?
Some of these things slip through your hands
And there’s no good talking or making plans.’
But Churchill – he just flapped his wings –
Said, ‘I don’t really care to discuss these things.’

– from “Post World War II Blues” by Al Stewart

Hint: cultures or people who look back rather than forward are carrying a large burden of resentment and entitlement. In this Age of Victimology, they have many opportunistic fellow-travelers. Watch your back.


Always On Watch said...

Isn’t this eerily like the Islamicist’s fantasy for the recapture of “al-Andalus”?

Good point.

I agree with IK that the West's handling of the Muslims has emboldened the push we're seeing right now from Latinos. Perception of weakness has a far-reaching impact.

X said...

I'm not sure Mexico would be too pleased with their plans. They're set to loose most of their northern states which, I think, are probably their most fertile and productive if I remember my geography right. These Aztlan people are making one hell of a power grab...

Dymphna said...

There's a convergence here, but no conspiracy. The unions, La Raza, and businesses would like to keep the Mexican slave labor in place.

Vicente Fox likes the thumb in our eye and the 30 bil Mexico gets back in remittances.

The subverters like CAIR want the country divided and the conversation acrimonious.

The MSM wants the drama -- it provides an audience for the circuses.

The Left, which doesn't seem to follow any economic theory besides the out-dated Keynesian type, want to pay the Mexicans a living wage...well, *they* don't want to do it exactly...more like the want the gummint to transfer Donald Trump's money...George Soros doesn't count.

El Jefe Maximo said...

Well, Aztlan and al-Andalus are perfectly valid concepts...if the proponents can but get them. There is no guarantee that the United States of America will rule the lands described forever and ever...I've been interested in the Aztlan fanatics since I read the novel Warday (Streiber and Kunetka), ages ago.

Who would have thought, a few years before the First World War, that Yugoslavia was anything more than a dream of some fanatics. Ditto a communist state in Russia, an expanded Romania, and all sorts of political facts that most of us are familiar with. With a little luck, none of these things would have happened (but that's just El Jefe's view).

Who, in 1917, for that matter, beyond the people who created it, would ever have conceived of a State of Israel by 1948 ?

Who would have ever believed that East and West Prussia, Posen, eastern Pomerania and Silesia would have been lost forever to Germany ? Certainly not madman Hitler, who made it happen.

Fanatics have gotten their wish-dreams granted more often than makes me comfortable, or have caused such damage that they unleashed other forces, with unforseen endings.

I hope Aztlan is a crackpot dream. I and millions of other Texans would accept Aztlan only over our dead bodies. But that doesn't mean it cannot, or will not happen.

We must be on our guard. The supplanting of religion and American nationalism by consumerism and individualism does not mean that others have forsaken their religions, or forgotten nationalist dreams, and warns us of the need to rediscover these things.

Anonymous said...

You might be interested to know that the Islamists have made headway into Mexico.

It would not surprise me at all to know that they are in some way involved in this movement. Either through direct funding or in stirring up unrest and resentment.

Shortly after 9/11 I was (living) in AZ. A local tv news station went to Hermosillo, Sonora (the northern most state of Mexico) where they interviewed Muslims about what happened on 9/11 and why. Muslims in Mexico? Seemed very odd at the time, but not so much now.

Islam Is Gaining a Foothold in Chiapas

Mexico Discovers Islam

Islam on march south of border

LonewackoDotCom said...

#1: except, they're trying to reach out to other "indigenous" movements. In that case, there'd be a coalition between the Aztlan groups and similar groups from other countries.

If anyone wants to downplay this, perhaps they would then like to explain why most Hispanic "leaders" - especially those in California - are former MEChA members (the "A" stands for Aztlan).

Also, here's a fun quote from "moderate" Bill Richardson: "We have to band together and that means Latinos in Florida, Cuban-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, South Americans - we have to network better - we have to be more politically minded - we have to put aside party and think of ourselves as Latinos, as Hispanics, more than we have in the past." Translating that into an (unspecified) language other than English is left as an exercise.

Muslihoon said...

On one of my posts today, I quoted Wikipedia regarding Aztlan: "Today most historians believe Aztlán, like Tamoanchan, to be a mythical place."

It is be possible they are agitating for an entity that never existed.

X said...

Neither does the fact that Muslims flee Islamic countries and them try to recreate them in new places.

I'd guess that the mentality is the same, even if the goals are different. As dymphna said, no conspiracy. But there rarely are conspiracies in the classic clichéd sense of the word; mostly they consist of groups that happen to be moving in similar directions and who then team up for a while to achieve common goals.

AbbaGav said...

No, England doesn't want India back, but I wouldn't be surprised if Italy demanded its Roman colony, Britain, back. The world's gone crazy. Seems like everyone wants to play musical chairs with national boundaries. Maybe Barney the Dinosaur will put forth a claim for the entire Earth's surface on behalf of dinosaurs and reptilian descendants, whose dominion was stolen from them by wily mammals. Sorry, this stuff is too ridiculous, even if it is predictable.

NahnCee said...

It doesn't make any sense.

Of course it makes sense if you see it as the same tactic as the Palestinians pushing to throw the Jews out of Israel, and oh, by the way, leave behind everything you've built up so we can have it.

The Palestinians want to return to their "mother-land" (which never was) -- check. So do the Mexicans.

The Palestinians are poor and broke and uneducated -- check. So are the Mexicans.

The Palestinians have no legal rights so they're resorting to demographics and breeding babies -- check. So are the Mexicans.

The Palestinians love to burn American flags -- check. So do the Mexicans.

Gee, speaking of the US's bad response to Muslims and Arabs, you don't suppose the Mexicans got this idea from watching the dreadful Palestinians, do you?

Frank said...

We Anglo-Saxon folk ought to try to empathize with the Aztlans. Imagine the angst of having centuries of heart removal custom taken away by whitey in one fell swoop.

Imagine no longer being able to see the pyramids noonday glisten in fresh arterial blood, or no longer worrying about Aztec war parties swooping into the village to take sacrificial victims and slaves. The inquisition was but a pale replacement for the excitement of those bygone Golden Age.

In fact, I'm going to take a valuable lesson here. I'm going to reclaim Scotland, from which I was expelled through the agency of my great great great...nevermind...anyway, the English owe me and I'm going to get it. Haggis will be the national food, sheep stealing and tartan weaving the new economy, and anybody trying to stop me will suffer the proud moose-in-heat call of the bagpipes.

Frank said...

Molly said:
"One wonders what the First People of the Western Hemisphere (also known as Native Americans and Indians) might have to say about this Mexican wet dream. I doubt the Navajo, Pueblo and assorted tribes would want some third-rate Aztec mythology shoved down their throats."

No no no Molly. You have it all wrong. Before White Man come, Indian live in sylvan harmony with each other and nature. Buffalo roam over cliff by accident, supply food, no global warming, no bird flu, everybody heap happy happy happy. Bringum back happy time for one big happy first nation go yippee.

After all, there's something to be said for a resurgent stone age. For instance, um...... medical care costs less...

Sillie Lizzie said...

"Hint: cultures or people who look back rather than forward are carrying a large burden of resentment and entitlement"

Hmmm. That's what the lefties keep saying about those of us who stand for the principle of interpreting the Constitution according to "original construction", i.e. what those "dead white guys who owned slaves" meant 200 years ago.

Suddenly it doesn't apply to "dead bronze guys who sacrificed children to the Sun God".

Unknown said...

Great post! I just posted one on the subject called
Aztlan Arising - the illegal subversion of America