Tuesday, October 27, 2009

No Phone or Computer: No Access to the Outside World

The latest update from the Columbus Dispatch

An Ohio court today ordered that authorities monitor telephone and Internet use of Fatima Rifqa Bary, the 17-year-old religious runaway who left Columbus for Orlando over the summer.

The girl has yet to return from Florida.

At a dependency hearing today, both sides in the case agreed to continue the case until next month.

Her phone and Internet use will be monitored by Franklin County Children Services.

So the dependency hearing was held without Rifqa being present. Just shows what the law can get away with when you’re still a minor. Obviously the Constitution doesn’t apply under the age of 18.

The real story is that no one wants to touch this case, and the closer you get to home base the less they want to deal with it.

At least one point has been cleared up:

On Friday, a Florida judge issued the order to transfer Rifqa into the care of Franklin County Children Services. She will live with a foster family on her return.

The Florida Department of Children and Families, which has had custody of Rifqa since August, would not release details about her trip back to Ohio for safety reasons. The state of Florida will pay for the trip.

So she is not returning to her home immediately.

And we know when the next hearing is:

The dependency hearing in Franklin County Juvenile Court was continued until Nov. 16.

Franklin County Juvenile Court Magistrate Mary Goodrich ordered Children Services to monitor Rifqa’s phone and Internet use.

Though the paper doesn’t report who asked for this restriction, it is a safe bet that the director of Child Services made that request regarding Ms. Bary’s access to the outside world. They will cut her ties with anyone in Florida.

Rifqa’s uncertain immigration status threatened to delay her return; Judge Daniel P. Dawson of the 9th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida said he wanted documentation of her status before sending her back.

Note that in Florida her case was kicked up from Juvenile Court to the Circuit Court. That may happen again in Ohio.

Here is a possible sticking point:
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Her immigration status still remains unknown to the public. She is a native of Sri Lanka, and an attorney in the Florida case raised questions about whether she’s in the country legally.

It’s conceivable that Ms. Bary could request asylum but how likely that is to be honored is questionable. For one thing, the inept police investigations, including interviews with Rifqa without her legal counsel present, are going to be used against her.

For another, the community response to her return appears to be mostly negative and quite heated.

From what I’ve read of the Noor Mosque, which is the one the father chose for the family, Rifqa’s return to Ohio will put her in proximate danger. Not immediate harm; they are no doubt patient. However, if her case follows the pattern, she may eventually pay the price for her public apostasy.

As I have said repeatedly, good case work practice would suggest that this “child” apply for emancipation as a minor and to begin, via her foster care worker, a Life Skills Training Program.

However, I don’t know family law in Ohio. It may be that at 17 years old she can acquire legal “emancipated minor” status just by requesting it and abiding by the supervisory rules: school attendance (she was an honors student), no drugs, strict curfew, etc.


Hell_Is_Like_Newark said...

Any chance she can stay on the lamb until her 18th birthday. If her immigration status could be resolved, it would benefit her to join the military (as a means to get funds to continue education, have a roof over you head etc)and gain complete independence from her former community.

Orlando said...

Were this a Christian girl running away from a Christian family, they would have taken her away immediately.

Subconsciously (or not), all agents of the State are in a state terror with matters regarding Islam. That's the only explanation I have. Either this, or they are being ordered or getting paid to submit to the Religion of Death.

Chechar said...

No Orlando: neither of your explanations holds. The whole issue can be better explained by white, Western "guilt" and the sacrifice the West is offering for such a false sense of guilt. Pretty complex for a simple post (although more will be revealed when my chapters about Aztec sacrifice are published here). I’ve stated elsewhere that glib explanations, even the ones coming from the best brains in the counter-jihad movement, will never do it. That’s why I am starting to publish a more profound psychological model here in GoV and in my blog.

James Higham said...

The Constitution's taken quite a hammering lately.

Wizzard of Aus said...

Orlando & Chechar are on an interesting issue. While I doubt that there is an official (or even unofficial) plan to use state power to support islamisation (Orlando), I don't think it is enough to pass it off as just "westen white guilt" (Chechar).

Westen White Guilt is manufactured and distributed intentionally by a core of politically like-minded individuals. Islamisation is, in their minds, just another tool to whip the west into what they deem to ideologically correct political sensibilities.

I just wish that they would pay attention to the results of the last time they attempted this bluff in Iran; but what can be said about those who continue to insist that communism/socialism is perfect, but just "hasn't been done right".

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Papa Ray said...

What a mess.

And yes, the danger is real.

Is she going to get a new lawyer?

Can she join the military?
(no, she has only one eye)

D says: "However, I don’t know family law in Ohio. It may be that at 17 years old she can acquire legal “emancipated minor” status just by requesting it and abiding by the supervisory rules: school attendance (she was an honors student), no drugs, strict curfew, etc."

That is why she needs a good lawyer. No one is going to volunteer this information to her.

The only way this girl is going to be safe is if she changes her name and disappears far away from any Muslim influence or population.

Many don't believe her or her situation, but it has gone too far and been too public for Islamics' to let her "get away with it."

God Bless and watch over her because our legal system surely won't.

Papa Ray

Chechar said...

Wizzard of Aus,

The entire Western world is at present under the grip of the modern liberal ideology. Seventy years ago it would have been unthinkable the mass immigration into the West, let alone the allowing of the jihadists into our soil. By itself, the Left’s treason doesn’t account for the global phenomenon, since the right is equally blind. The only difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama is taking us more speedily toward the precipice than how Bush did. Both of them have been under the grip of the modern liberal ideology, which is unconsciously based in white guilt. Otherwise how can we explain that, addressing Muslims, a few months ago Bill Clinton celebrated that America won’t be a European based majority nation by 2040. That is: that whites will finally lose, numerically, their majority status. Clinton said that this is a good thing!

Recently I watched a Hollywood movie with a big star depicting young white Americans as the criminals in Iraq. An outrageous movie since the militant Muslims were the real perpetrators of the beheadings and the bombings against Iraqi civilians.

The same can be said about the MSM and the academia. Even Fox is not as clear about the Rifqa case as CBN is. But as far as I know even CBN didn’t castigate Clinton for the abomination he said. How on Earth can any sane person desire the reduction of its own gene pool in his very country? The fact that an American president did it this very year is a clear sign that the West is crossing over a psychotic state of malicious self-hate, similar to those otherwise pretty girls who cut their arms or legs with blades.

The same can be said about the masses of regular citizens who voted for Obama, “the abomination of desolation” in the White House according to conservative racialists. What would the founding fathers have said?

Obviously, there’s something recondite in today’s suicidal ethos that merits a profound psycho-analysis.

Inalienable Rights said...

The disgusting thing is, if she was pregnant by a 30 year old boyfriend and wanting an abortion, her rights would be infinitely more protected and she would be hailed as a hero.

I guess the left just loves killing.

Dymphna said...

Inalienable Rights:

Not quite. They love baby seals.



I had to fix your comment. If you'll look at the top of the comment box, it asks that you not paste long URLs. Instead use the template provided.

Long URLS slop over the edge of the post and make the page go wonky.

Here is your comment, restored:

Orlando said...
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser:

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

Labour Wanted Mass Immigration to Make the UK More Mulitcultural

Wizzard of Aus said...


The difference I hold with your argument is the assertion that it is based in *unconscious* white guilt. I doubt that very much.

While not subscribing to any conspiracy theories, I think white guilt is cultivated and maintained precisely because it undercuts the very basis of western cultural success (dare I say superiority?). When historical successes, achievements and victories cannot be celebrated due to fears of being labelled racist, the very ground is removed from traditional conservative values, and thus the ability to defend the civilisational structure is critically weakened.

When "Patriot" becomes an insult, the only path is downwards.

Dymphna said...

okay, guys, you're hijacking the thread. Look at the subject, please.


I presume that the best case scenario at this point is to hope that a good lawyer can use delaying tactics to hold her in state custody until she's 18, and then have her apply for asylum. But it will be *very* expensive.

Asylum won't be a slam-dunk, either. If she were anything but Muslim, her chances would be better, but the p.c. mentality is so fierce in the various bureaucratic agencies that it is unlikely she'll have an easy time of it. Those places have been thoroughly infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

When I worked with battered women, it was hard (but not impossible) to "disappear" a woman who was under threat by an obsessed boyfriend or husband. This is not the same because this girl is facing more than just her father's wrath; there is a whole group willing to help him, including her mother and brother.