Saturday, November 25, 2006

A Field Trip to a Mosque

Last night a commenter on my CAIR post asked the following question:

My son’s school is going to take him to a mosque as a field trip. How do I determine if this mosque is on our side or the jihadis’?

I told him that it would be a very unusual mosque that is “on our side”; the best we can realistically hope for from a mosque would be a kind of neutrality.

Then I put the question to the 910 Group, and this morning I got an email from one of their experts on Islam and CAIR:

We’re going to the mosque!I remember seeing a list, but can’t remember where. I’ll keep looking, but it’s probably out of date anyway — they pop up in new places all the time. [Later followup: Found that list of mosques in this classic report (pdf format) on Saudi influence in mosques, but it’s only 15 mosques listed at the end, and the report is 2005. However, the document is useful for your local parent as background, and to distribute to the school and local churches/synagogues/temples if needed — from]

REQUEST: If he can give me a name and a city/state or zip code, I may be able to give him info — my assumption on most mosques is that 80%+ have been taken over by Salafist imams. Here’s a quick Mosque locator, that may pick up a website if it doesn’t come up in Google once we have a name for the Mosque.

LEGAL BACKGROUND: Here’s an NEA article, one that takes a sort of limited comparative religion approach but would allow preferencing Islam.

Here’s the most commonly cited document on how to handle religion in schools, from freedomforum (liberal, does not require balance — again, can allow a rationale for preferencing Islam over other religions).

TACTICAL RECOMMENDATION: Let’s assume the mosque they’re going to is pure Wahhabist. I say, bring it on — we need incidents to define issues in bold colors, not pastels: I’d have him ask 3 questions:
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1. Balance of comparative religion vs. preferencing one religion: How is the school going to ensure balance and comparative teaching of religion, if they only go to one place of worship? If they’re going to the local mosque as a field trip, will the school ensure that they’re also going to the local Roman Catholic Church, synagogue, a couple protestant churches (maybe Lutheran for history’s sake, Calvinist Baptist or Episcopalian for the same historical value), a Hindu Temple and a local Bahai or Buddhist place of worship as well — or at least to 3-4 places of worship representative of the religious participation of the local community? And it must have some diversity if there is a mosque there.
2. Teaching context for visit to the mosque: Is this an elementary school class, in which case the curricula may be about different values, some basic civic lessons, integration of new cultures, but at a basic level… Or is it a middle school/high school class, in which case a broader World History or comparative government approach may be important (and in that case, what texts are they using?). Is the trip to the mosque part of the left’s revisionist teaching of history and politics? The school and mosque leaders should be required to present a rationale, and to defend it.
3. What information has been provided to the parents about the trip? He has a right to ask for detailed info on what will be presented, and what materials will be distributed — this may vary by state but generally for religious activities, the default state is that he can ask for copies of curricula and other info (they may be vague and it won’t make him popular with the teacher or principal, so he has to decide if this is a fight he wants to take on). If you can identify the state, we can research exact regs for his situation (county may be important here too). Do they have the option of accompanying the kids? Can they opt out of the trip if they want?

ASSESSMENT: My own view — the more comparative religion the better, but if there are not at least a couple of Christian and one Jewish trips/curricula/historical perspectives etc. provided (and Hindu/Buddhist as well if that group is represented in the local population), then it’s not comparative religion, it’s proselytizing.

And if the local churches and synagogues don’t have any outreach to the schools to compete with the local mosque, this is an opportunity for him to contact them and help them get their act together. It seems to me it’s another category where outreach can be helpful — to synagogues and churches to let them know what the competition is doing, and that they have a legal right to get in there and compete. Not to mention a moral obligation to do so.

Readers are welcome to suggest other ways for concerned parents to be proactive about the creeping Islamicization of their children’s schools.

Update: Here is an additional resource sent in by the 910 Group — Parents and Students for Academic Freedom. From their mission statement:

The Students for Academic Freedom Information Center is a clearing house and communications center for a national coalition of student organizations whose goal is to end the political abuse of the university and to restore integrity to the academic mission as a disinterested pursuit of knowledge.

They cover K-12 in addition to the university level.


pacific_waters said...

How about you don't sign his permission slip?

Fabian Pascal said...

Since the kind of recommendations Baron is listing are very unlikley to be implemented in practice for various and predictable reasons, exposing children to any religious dogma is, as Dawkins sensibly argues, child abuse.

There are intelligent ways to educate kids on comparative religion wihtout exposing them to the real thing, which is dangerous.

Let them expose themselves to it when they are mature and not easily influenced because their critical reasoning capabilities are yet undeveloped.

Fabian Pascal said...


Should Muslims be allowed to impose Islam on Americans?

Pastorius said...


What good will come of having you child go on a field trip to the local Mosque. They will merely lie about Islam being a peaceful religion. That's all that will happen. That is very dangerous for the kids. Most of them will not be prepared to understand what is being done, and instead will believe the lies.

Yorkshireminer said...

I would not want my child to go on a field trip to a mosque, what I would want is the Mosque turned into a field. When I lived in Qatar over 30 years ago I lived no more that 100 yards from a mosque and there were a dozen more with in a range of 1 mile. During Ramadan they used to wail out their message, all day and all night. If there is anything guaranteed to sour inter-religious dialogue, it is the indecent caterwauling issuing from these mosques every 2 hours. America be warned.

No Apology said...

One plan of action might be - get the names and phone numbers of all the parents of your chlld's class. Call them, ask their opinion about the upcoming trip. Try to arrange a meeting of as many parents as possible at someone's home. One can probably assume that some of the parents don't see it as dangerous, and that might be a cue to educate them. (Perhaps a pamphlet could be made up, exposing the dangers of Islamic incursion into our schools.) * note to self * - look into that possiblity - One must make the school board be as transparent as possible as to their intentions. IE, don't show me what's in you left hand (Mosque trip), and tell me you'll get back to me on what might be in your right hand (other church/synagogue trips). For me I would want to see what's in both hands, before I allow my child to participate in any exposure to any religion.

This could also be an opportunity to meet in future on school issues concerning your child's education. The most important thing is to avoid doing nothing. Take the action.

Indigo Red said...

The above the fold photo in my local paper on 9/11 was of little girls attending the first day of school at the new Mosque school in Irvine, California. Several months later, one of the Mosque's clerics was arrested at Burbank aiirport with Wahabbist textbooks in his luggage.

I think 80% is too low. Don't let your kids go to these Mosque "show and lie" field trips. It is just that NAZI Germany Red Cross concentration camp showplace on a grander scale, a Potemkin Village. It's a total farce.