Friday, July 14, 2006

Danes Claim that Family Executions Have No "Honor"

I Could Scream: Examining the plight of women under Islam

The following is a news report from yesterday’s Jyllands-Posten, kindly translated for Gates of Vienna by Zonka:

Brother Is Prevented ‘Honor Killing’ His Sister

A courageous big brother — and an attack on him — have possibly put the police in Elsingore onto the trail of a failed ‘honor killing’ within the Pakistani community.

The police opened the case after jailing two friends of the brother’s family. Among other things, these arrests will send a signal to the people involved, and to threatened women, that such behavior is not tolerated.

The older brother told the police that last year in July or August, he was ordered to kill his little sister by his seventy-one year old father because she wanted out of her arranged marriage. He refused and instead allied himself with his younger sister.

“He was subjected to extreme pressure to perform the killing, but he wouldn’t have anything to do with it,” says Henning Svendsen, Crime-Inspector in Elsingnore.

On June 9, he was assaulted in Birkerød by a gang of seven or eight people. The forty three year-old brother was hit with clubs and cricket bats; his wife, who is the same age, was also beaten when she tried to stop the assault.

Within 24 hours, the victim’s father and two brothers-in-law — aged forty-one and thirty-six — were arrested.

Last week another forty one year-old male was arrested for being a part of the gang that assaulted the brother. And with the arrests on Thursday of two more men — ages forty-two and thirty-seven — a total of six people have been detained.

The last three men arrested are friends of the family, and in addition to these the police are looking for yet another man. He is assumed to be outside of the country.

The seventy-one year old father has been charged with being an accomplice to murder, while the others are held on charges of dangerous violence, and all will be held in custody until July 27.

Names and minutes from the court sessions have been kept confidential, and the court sessions have been held behind closed doors (without public attendance).

When Henning Svendsen, the Crime-Inspector in Elsingnore, talks about the case despite its confidentiality, he intends to send a signal to those areas where ‘honor killings’ could take place.

“It is unbelievable that somebody is planning such deeds while the ‘honor killing’ case from Slagelse is running in the media. We also want to send a strong signal to these people that such behavior will not be tolerated. We also want to send the signal to women who could have been subjected to similar threats, that we do not tolerate it,” says Henning Svendsen.

This second example of Danish refusal to follow any longer the Orwellian multi-cultural “tolerance” for cruel and dysfunctional practices among Muslim immigrants may be the tipping point. It may be the death knell for homicidal behaviors in the cultural sink that is commonplace among so many of the Islamic ghettoes that are filling to the brim all across Europe.

Denmark's authorities are saying “Enough!” and they are saying it loud and clear. Loud enough even for the impaired hearing of those Muslims who refuse to learn Danish, who refuse to look for work, who live on the generosity of the Danish taxpayer — the same Danish taxpayer they look down upon with contempt.

See Queen Margarthe’s book. And then look at poor Queen Elizabeth’s once-great island. There, young Muslim women simply disappear and the police look on helplessly. Or they look away. What else can they do without the backing of government and monarch?

It is past time for the Queen of the United Kingdom to insert her age-old magisterial authority into a situation that impinges on Britain’s survival.

Hat tip: commenter Phanarath.


Dymphna said...

Old Peculier (nice idea to name yourself after a Yorkshire ale --? Theakston's?)
I can understand your dislike of those who are concerned about the UK’s honor killing problem. However, complaining about our reporting it isn’t going to change the fact that it is dangerous to be a Muslim woman in the UK.

I have two excerpts here, but just google some variation of “honor killings in the UK” or “unsolved honor killings UK” and see what you come up with. It’s not pretty.

Here’s one report, originally from Yahoo news, that aged out and is no longer available as a link:

In the UK, police estimate that 2 Muslim girls per week go missing, forcibly repatriated to their countries to be murdered by relatives for refusing to marry the men chosen for them. Meanwhile, genital mutilation of young girls in the EU continues. Some more troubling stats: in the UK, Muslim women have a suicide rate FOUR times the indigenous average.

Nazir Afzal, director of Britain's Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in west London where there is a large south Asian community, says there have been at least a dozen honor killings in the country in the past year. "And murder is just the tip of the iceberg," he said. "There are other crimes, like rape, abduction and physical violence, which we would consider steps on the stairway to murder." ...
Reunite, a charity which campaigns to stop child abduction, estimates that around 1,000 British Asian girls are forced into marriage each year [some brides rebel, prompting the honor killing, RvB]. Between a third and a half are minors. ...
London's police [have] set up a task force to tackle the issue and it is re-examining over 100 unsolved murder cases to see if they may have been honor crimes, even though they were not recognized as such at the time.
…"I've certainly seen more cases of honor crime since July 7 [the day of the London subway bombings]," said Afzal. "When communities perceive themselves to be under threat they tend to turn in on themselves, regardless of whether that perception has any basis in fact. They try to restore and reinforce their own social norms. They put pressure on their own members to conform, and if they don't conform there is sometimes some kind of retribution."
Next time you hear a blanket statement about Islam being a "religion of peace," remember Rukhsana Naz, Heshu Yones, and thousands of other young women who were unceremoniously butchered like worthless pigs — utterly abandoned by friends, neighbors, and relatives who, even after the fact, preferred looking the other way to turning in the callous murderers.

And from Tech Central Station:

In the cases in Britain in which a girl refuses to go to Pakistan and meet her new "husband", she is often bundled off to Pakistan anyway, but never comes back. When teachers become concerned and make enquiries, the parents claim she's "staying with relatives" in some remote village. Most often, she is dead. Exporting Muslim girls to murder them in the comfort of their own culture is not uncommon among Muslims in Britain and saves a lot of bother with the police.
But despite the conspiracy of silence, the one-way overseas trips and cover-ups, police estimate that there are 117 "honor killings" still unsolved in Britain. According to London's Daily Telegraph, Scotland Yard, announcing an initiative, said there is "growing evidence that women in the Asian community [British media code for Muslim] are being subjected to violence and sometimes murdered for defying cultural traditions."

And then, there is my main point: the Queen of Denmark has spoken and written forcefully about the Muslim refusal to assimilate in Denmark. Her cousin in the UK should do the same. It would raise the morale of her subjects and of her police officers, who have a rough go of it. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Can you explain to me why Queen Elizabeth maintains silence in the face of this cultural destructon?

pacific_waters said...

When they begin executing "honor killers" then and only then will they have said "enough".

Zonka said...

Old Peculier wrote: What I dislike is sweeping generalisations made by Americans and other foreigners who have very little knowledge of what they are talking about.

Generalizations happens when you don't have all the facts or is trying to make a point in simple terms... Deal with it it happens all across the board, and if the generalizations are based in faulty facts then help by providing information that will set the matter straight. You have a voice here, use it to make us aware of what we are missing from the picture.

Zonka said...

old peculier, you're right sweeping generalizations doesn't always work! But as an outsider it is hard to know all the facts and background information and given the stories coming out of the U.K. it is hard to see anything else than a society under a constant Islamic barrage and with politicians, police and other authorities running around without a clue as what to do about the situation other than trying more and more appeasement. (e.g. arresting peaceful anti-muslim demonstrators in a demonstration for support of the Danes, but nothing against the muslims with very vile messages in the anti-cartoon demonstrations. Inviting muslims to be privy to sensitive information in terror investigations. The ongoing blatant pro-palestinian and pro-islam bias of the Guardian and the BBC. Prince Charles flirtations with Islam. The disasterous secret pact between the MI6 and Islamists causing them to have a free haven in Britain without surveillance. and the list goes on). With information like this coming out of Britain it is hard to see anything else than a society that is slowly collapsing and doesn't seem to have a clue about how to get out of the mess it is in.

If I'm wrong, and I would love to be proven wrong... then please enlighten me and others. I would hate for Britain to lose this battle against Islam! The alternative is rather scary!

Dymphna said...

Generalizations made for the point of comparison are not "twaddle" and to use a reductio ad absurdum to make your point doesn't strengthen it.

Come to think of it, *no one* is as good at sweeping, condescending generalizations about Americans as are the Brits (not even the French). Lord knows I listened to them at the dinner table often enough, and met visitors who all thought they were de Tocqueville come to set us Yanks straight about health care, guns and crime, etc., and how much better things were in the UK.

I take my cue these days from the dysphoric Theodore Dalrymple, who has moved from Britain to France to get away from what he sees as an unhappy and dysfunctional place -- though I am not as severe about it as he is.

The UK site Civitas has a pdf file titled "The Failure of Britain's Police." Civitas is not on the same plane as The Guardian.

I am familiar with the Guardian's slant, given the fact that one of their journalists is a known terrorist and it was he who was the reporter on the Pakistani schoolgirl whose cause Mrs. Blair took up...and the PM's wife's behavior here is just another example which makes my point.

There is no law forbidding the Queen or any member of the royal family from speaking on affairs which affect the country. And the demoralization of the populace is one case where her subjects would be happy to hear from her. It is not making policy to say, as Margrethe did, that people who come to her country should assimilate and that people should help them do so. In fact, M. said that it was her fault, and the Danes' fault, for "being lazy" about making sure assimilation took place. I admire anyone willing to shoulder part of the blame.

Aside from Civitas, or Anthony Daniels or Mark Steyn, there are many outspoken people in the UK who are lamenting the decline...and they often follow it with "but I won't be here to see the final curtain so what does it matter?"

Such an attitude is sad...

And the fact that someone is setting up a "task force" is a sure sign that nothing will change. Having mis-spent my time on a few of these committees, I know the scope of their impotence. They are simply devices for keeping things the way they are...unless of course, this particular task force was given the teeth to actually implement the changes it will suggest...

Zonka said...

2. Society under a constant Islamic barrage? What does this mean? Nothing.

It means a great deal, if the society isn't taking proper steps to stop such barrage, otherwise the pressure will increase until society eventually buckles under. And with the British immigration rules more muslims can always be imported to step up the pressure. And what steps are the British authorities taking to stop the barrage?

3. Yes, the BBC and the Guardian are biased against Israel, but the Times, Telegraph and tabloids are not.

Don't know about the tabloids, but the only one that seems to be somewhat consistent in being critical of Islam, muslims etc. is the Telegraph (judging mostly from the editorials).

4. Prince Charles preaches a woolly multiculturalism and is a left over hippy who, as I have pointed out, believes in coffee enemas. However, there is no evidence of any conversion to Islam.

Perhaps not a conversion (that would ruin his chances of becoming King completely) but appeasement galore, and the multiculturalism is a strategy that will break down any society, history have shown that over and over again.

Cindi said...

Dick, you're an Englishman who regards himself proudly first as a European? Why in the world would you not identify yourself as a proud Englishman?

Mr. Spog said...

Old Peculier—the reason some Americans think the only hope for the British is the BNP is probably that there is a gaping hole in the spectrum of political parties, between the BNP and the pro-multiculturalist Tories. Perhaps the ordinary British people don't think like the Guardian and the BBC, but in that case these ordinary people seem to lack political representation. (Though this is not a problem unique to Britain.)—Mr. Spog, Canada

Zonka said...


You're correct that Denmark have had a right-wing government for the last 6 years, but it wouldn't have made much difference if it hadn't been for the Dansk Folkeparti (Danish People's Party), who singlehandedly have been able to put immigration and muslims on the public agenda in a way so that no party in Denmark could avoid the issues without losing at the elections. Without the DPP the other right-wing parties would have ignored the situation and quite likely have acted like most other European politicians. Just look at how a lot of politicians from both the Conservative party and Venstre are pining for a VKR (Venstre-Conservative-Social Liberal) government, which would be a very bad thing for Denmark, because of the Social Liberal's (Radikale) multi-cultural bias.

As for whether the socialists are dhimmified or not it doesn't really make a difference what label you stick on them the end result is the same, their policies end up spending the country's wealth on the muslims, don't force them to integrate, open the floodgates for more to come into the country and press on with harmonizing Danish immigration policies with the lowest common denominator of EU (and hail that as a victory!) So if they walk like a duck, quack like a duck... it really doesn't matter what you call it... it's pretty obvious what it is!

And lastly I don't think that the socialists consider the muslims as handicapped, but they have certainly bought into the victimology of the muslims, and the collective guilt complex of the West... thus obligating them to help these poor victims of Israeli, and Western oppression. And the fact that they share the same arch-enemy USA and Bush in particular makes them the perfect ally (q.v. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”).

In the end analysis the enemy isn't so much Islam, the enemy is the decay in our own societies... The multi-culturalists which goes deep into European right-wing parties, the socialists who seem quite intent on breaking down national states (replacing them with non-democratic structures such as EU) and the dumbing down of the public by the politicians, MSM and intelligensia and the pervasive influence of political correctness! If our societies weren't rotten at the core, Islam wouldn't be a threat to us, now that it is... Islam is a mortal enemy!

Zonka said...


I don't think you should demonize anybody, however, you should hold people accountable for what they have done. And I certainly disagree that I'm only describing 10% or less of the left. It all depends on how you define left... if you use US terms the left starts within the ranks of Venstre and Conservatives and continues all the way to Enhedslisten. The remaining parts are populists (DPP) and centrists. The left I'm (mostly) talking about is the Social-liberals, Social Democrats and SF and Enhedslisten (about 47% of votes in last election). Some Social Democrats can possibly be won over, but most of those who could are now found in the ranks of DPP voters... The rest they are caught in the spin of their own ideology... they have been forced open their eyes to some of the problems with muslim immigration, but they are oblivious to the root causes. They see the problem as an internal and domestic problem, in the sense that muslim immigration is not the problem, it is how we treat the muslims once they get here... in other words we have to change to accomodate them, if they won't integrate that's our fault, and who are we to say that our ways of doing things are better than theirs, the list goes on ad nauseam.

So while they might not be dhimmis in the original meaning of the word, they certainly are acting like ones and reaching far into the current government. And I don't think that it will hurt to point that out not to demonize but to explain and put things into the proper context. And as to closing their ears, I think it's too late for that for most as they have already made their mind up... See in their mind Fogh is a puppet of GWB, DPP is a neo-nazi party under influence of some dark unenlightened priests, and Denmark is lost because we're participating in the war against terror in Iraq and Afghanistan... But most of all because they see the problems with Islam as a domestic problem, with the Danes being the problem that is!

Yorkshireminer said...

What ever hapened to Mogens Glistrup and the Fremskrit Party, sorry about the spelling but I have not spoken or writen Dansk in 30 years?

Zonka said...


Mogens Glistrup is no longer active in politics after having lost too many battles both political and legal. He was the first politician though to warn about the Muhammedan danger, but he was too early and he became the laughing stock of people. And he is now an old man in poor health. Fremskridtspartiet is no more, only the faction with Pia Kjærsgaard that broke away and formed Dansk Folkeparti (DPP).

Zonka said...


We will win the conflict with Islam, I'm sure of that! However, unless we find a way for the Europeans to replenish themselves it might all be for nothing, at the moment European fertility rate (children per woman) is about 1.5 which is shrinking, the fertility rate needs to be at least 2.1 for the population to rise.... so maybe you're right that the salvation will come from the left -- “make love not war” or at least make lots of babies... so perhaps the pope isn't so stupid when he thunders against contraceptives ;-)