Thursday, February 21, 2008

Lion Heart Talks to the Bedfordshire Police

It is clear from the recordings of the conversations between Lion Heart and members the Hate Crimes Unit of the Greyfriars Police that the warrant for his arrest is being issued.

It is also clear that the police do not have the standing to tell him he would be released on bail or his own recognizance. In fact, once the pertinent facts are out - i.e., that he went to the US in the interim between the notice (in early January) to report in on February 19th to be arrested - I doubt any Crown Prosecutor or judge would permit him to have bail.

If he returns to the UK, Lion Heart will be killed by the al-Qaeda-supported Pakistani group in Luton while he is serving his sentence. Or maybe before he makes it to trial.

It is as clear-cut and sad as that.

But, as he said, we have to do what we have to do.

Shall we weep for Lion Heart first, or for the failed state of England?

May God have mercy on them both.


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13 comments:

Charlemagne said...

O/T but a great article in National Review Online about one of our favorite topics.

Cincinnatus said...

O/T another great aricle by Mark Stein here, in which he takes it to the Naziphobes (yoo hoo LGF) as follows:

"What would we be permitted by the state to write about? How about Nazis? It's been years since I've run into one, but apparently they're everywhere. A British blogger, pooh-poohing my book, said there are more Nazis than Muslims in England. Really? In Canada, meanwhile, defenders of Section 13 of the Human Rights Code — the one that makes "criminals" of Maclean's — warn that if the private member's motion of Keith Martin, MP, proposing its repeal were to succeed, Nazis would be free to peddle their dangerous Nazi ideas to simple-minded Canadians who might lack the fortitude to resist. As evidence of the Nazi tide waiting to engulf the Dominion once Section 13 is repealed, Liberal spin doctor Warren Kinsella posted on his website a photograph he'd taken in a men's room stall showing the words "WHITE POWER" and a swastika scrawled on the wall at knee height. Why Mr. Kinsella is photographing public toilets on his knees I don't know, but every guy needs a hobby. At any rate, Warren sees this loser's graffiti as critical evidence of the imminent Nazi threat to the peaceable kingdom.

"I'm something of a phobiaphobe. I don't subscribe to the concepts of "homophobia" and "Islamophobia." They're a lame rhetorical sleight to end the argument by denying it's an argument at all: you don't have a political disagreement with me over gay marriage or sharia, you have a mental illness. But don't worry, we can give you counselling and medication and your "phobia" will eventually go away. Yet "Naziphobia" is the real thing — an irrational fear of non-existent Nazis. And so Canada's leading "human rights" hero is Richard Warman, a man whose Naziphobia is so advanced he hauled the "Canadian Nazi Party" before the "Human Rights" Tribunal even though, as the tribunal was eventually forced to rule, no such party exists."

So there you have it -- "Naziphobia" -- the irrational fear of non-existent Nazis. Take that, Clutz Johnson.

Chalons said...

Unfortunately , he's created an even greater 'crime' than the original blog comments.

He's exposed the authorities for the petty little tyrants they are. Their their tiny little bureaucratic brains will want vengeance.

Stopmakingsense said...

"Heartfelt" and not "Word wise".

That is the true nature of the crime facing Lionheart.

Though to continue to antagonise is not in his best interests - as Gordon Brown and his leftist morons wont always be in power in the U.K..

Homophobic Horse said...

"Though to continue to antagonise is not in his best interests - as Gordon Brown and his leftist morons wont always be in power in the U.K.."

Unlike you lucky feckers in the US we here in the "EU" no longer have the power to vote out our government. Whatever happens to the local government, were stuck with a whole continent of EU feckers who are more extreme then Broon.

deadbambi said...

Is England's court system that different than ours? It certainly seems to be.

In America, we have people called suspects. These suspects are interviewed prior to arrest. This is how the authorities build a case against them. Once the case against them is built, it is then brought before a grand jury to determine the winability of the case, and/or the suspect is arrested.

Once the suspect is arrested in the USA, they are read their Miranda rights (i.e. put under caution in UK), interrogated (i.e. interviewed in the UK), are placed into custody, and then receive an arraignment (usually the morning after arrest), at which time the judge decides if the person can be released, either via bail or personal recognizance. If they cannot post the bail set, they will remain in custody until their trial, until charges are dropped, or until they can post 10% of the bail amount set by the judge.

The one comment that Steve Facer made that was beyond scary to me, and really disclosed the police's true intentions, was when he explained to Lionheart that once the interview had taken place, then they would decide "whether charges will be brought, or if further inquiries have to be made." That to me says they already intend to charge him, if not during the interview, then eventually. Though a complaint was made by an individual or group, the authorities have already built a case against Lionheart and his "interview" is solely to provide more information to the police to supplement their case.

At this point, the determination of whether or not he's committed any crime will not be made in an interview room, it will be made during a trial. This isn't an investigation, the investigation has already been done.

It's so offensive to me that this police officer was so disingenuous and continued to make it sound as if this was just a chat, even when Lionheart called him on it.

Steve Facer's "worst case scenario" line was unbelievable. The "worst case scenario" is the only guarantee that Facer could've provided to Lionheart, because they already have a case against him to be presented in a court of law. It is definitely what WILL happen, if not during Lionheart's "interview" phase, then at some other point down the road.

I hope Lionheart's attorney can find out which particular entries are under scrutiny. This should happen before Lionheart ever sets foot in that police station.

Wouldn't it be ironic if they weren't Lionheart's posts but comments made on his post, like the LGF and Gateway Pundit story from yesterday?

USorThem said...

DeadBambi

Also interesting is the fact that LH asked the police if he could interview with them on the telephone. the only reason they could give was that this would not be standard procedure. It could still be done I bet. They don't have anything to ask that would help exonerate LH. Most likely all their questions would have one ourpose...i.e. confirm the accusations and obtain incriminating statements.

I mean, what more could LH possibly say to the police in person that would ever HELP his case. That interview was for one side only...the police. The enticement offer to appear and therefore have a chance to explain oneself and "give your side of the story" is a sham, and , a sly way of inviting LH to attend his own lynching party.

And the procedures in the UK are much different than the US. There is no Fith amendment so one's silence can and usually is used against you at a trial. Hence, the practice of seeking "interviews" with the accused. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. And many people think they can lie their way out of the accusations and accept the offer.

PRCalDude said...

I hope Lionheart's attorney can find out which particular entries are under scrutiny. This should happen before Lionheart ever sets foot in that police station.

There's no reason on God's green earth why he should ever, under any circumstances, set foot in that police station.

He helped them bust some Paki Muslim drug dealers, and now the police want to lock him up with them for writings on his blog.

He doesn't have any money for legal fees and the cops know it. They're just trying to put him away.

I wonder how long before this happens here. Not long, I'm betting.

deadbambi said...

I agree and misspoke. Lionheart shouldn't set foot in that police station. His attorney should on his behalf.

As perhaps unlikely as this is, it is my wish that the UK drops this ridiculous case and Lionheart could actually go home. It's his home and he wants to be there.

I feel terrible for him that he might have to live in exile for the rest of his life because the UK is no longer a civilized country. This is Stalinesque and the UK should be ashamed and embarassed at what it has become.

Does George Galloway have any influence over Bedfordshire? This would all certainly make sense if he did.

Homophobic Horse said...

"Does George Galloway have any influence over Bedfordshire? This would all certainly make sense if he did."

Galloway probably sympathises with the murder of Islamophobes.

Gaeidhil said...

See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial#Humanity

"When analyzing The Trial, it is useful to note that the end of the novel, the death scene, was the first part written by Kafka. K. is never told what he is on trial for, and he maintains his innocence almost to the end. Upon declaring his innocence, he is immediately questioned "innocent of what?" "

Sodra Djavul said...

If Lionheart falls, and I sincerely hope he does not, I will personally use him as a martyr of free speech, and a source of unwillingness to align myself with the poison of LGF henceforth.

- Sodra

(Stay strong, Lionheart)

Zenster said...

Gaeidhil: "When analyzing The Trial, it is useful to note that the end of the novel, the death scene, was the first part written by Kafka. K. is never told what he is on trial for, and he maintains his innocence almost to the end. Upon declaring his innocence, he is immediately questioned "innocent of what?"

Everyone, please make sure to rent a copy of Orson Wells' "The Trial". He felt it was his best work.

Viewing it is almost pure torture as the protagonist, in an Oscar worthy performance by Anthony Perkins, is put through a wringer of nebulous and purposefully unarticulated bureaucratic torture and proscription. Although meant to expose Stalin's kangaroo courts, this film finds new life in Europe's intentionally ill-defined hate speech laws.

Finally, the sets and staging alone make a viewing of this worth the price of rental or purchase. It is a masterpiece. Lionheart would do well to watch the film, if only to get a foretaste of what awaits him.