Sunday, February 10, 2008

Legal Apartheid

The Archbishop and sharia

The row over the declaration in support of sharia by the Archbishop of Cant has had the salutary effect of uniting British Christians against Dr. Williams and the policies of their own government. One of our commenters suggested that the Archdhimmi was simply a “toe testing the waters” to see how favorable the climate is for the gradual introduction of sharia for Muslims in the UK. If he’s right, and the governing elites sent Dr. Williams on a little reconnaissance mission, surely they must have concluded by now that their idea was a little bit — ahem — premature.

Now the Catholics and the Anglicans are ganging up on the poor Archdhimmi. The former Archbishop of Canterbury and the Cardinal responsible for Roman Catholics in England and Wales have weighed in against Dr. Williams and his ill-advised words:

Sharia law may result in ‘legal apartheid’

Senior religious leaders attack multiculturalism and sharia law today, warning that they are “disastrous”, socially divisive and are destroying Britain’s culture and values.

Lord Carey and Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor rebut the call of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, for Islamic law to be recognised in Britain.

Lord Carey, the former archbishop of Canterbury, said: “His acceptance of some Muslim laws within British law would be disastrous for the nation. He has overstated the case for accommodating Islamic legal codes.

“His conclusion that Britain will eventually have to concede some place in law for aspects of sharia is a view I cannot share.

“There can be no exceptions to the laws of our land which have been so painfully honed by the struggle for democracy and human rights.”

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, said that the Government’s promotion of multiculturalism had destroyed the unity that used to hold society together. Immigrants must “obey the laws of this country”.

It wasn’t that long ago that Catholics were considered agents of the pope ready to subvert the countries in which they lived. But times have changed.

Lord Carey expressed his opinion as well:

Writing in this newspaper, Lord Carey condemns multiculturalism as “disastrous”, blames it for creating Islamic ghettos and says that Dr Williams’s support for sharia law will “inevitably lead to further demands from the Muslim community”.

He suggests that such a move could embolden some Muslims to try to turn Britain into a country ruled by Islamic law which, he says, contradicts principles of human rights and allows the persecution of Christians.

Their comments will come as a blow to the embattled archbishop, who is experiencing the darkest days of his six years as leader of the Anglican Church, following his claim that the adoption of certain aspects of sharia law is “unavoidable”.

It also marks a deepening of the rift between Dr Williams and leading church figures over his support for Islamic law. The Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, said that it would be “simply impossible” to have two different legal systems.

I admit to being surprised at the depth of the antagonism towards the Archdhimmi, especially from within the Anglican hierarchy. Is it possible that they have been roused from slumber? Do their noses in fact detect the scent of coffee?
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Dr Williams sought to defend his comments yesterday, but is fighting to survive calls from politicians and members of his church demanding his resignation. The vast majority of the Church’s ruling body believe he was wrong, a Sunday Telegraph poll shows.

The survey of the General Synod found that only three per cent agreed that aspects of Islamic law should be adopted. Four per cent said he should resign, but two thirds rejected claims that he had lost credibility. A number of bishops have spoken out against the attacks on the archbishop, but a far greater number, including the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, have chosen to distance themselves from the issue.

Dr Williams argued that Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”. However, Lord Carey says the potential damage of Dr Williams’s idea of incorporating sharia courts into civil law “does not bear thinking about”. He says that it would be dangerous and would encourage some Muslims to try to turn Britain into an Islamic state.

The former archbishop says that accommodating sharia law would lead to further demands. “This is absolutely inevitable, since questions to do with the separation of ‘church and state’ are largely new to Islam. Sharia law trumps civil law every time.”

He adds: “Many Muslim interpreters of sharia believe that it supersedes secular law and assume that its ‘God-given’ status would lead to the point of eventually replacing civil law.”

Lord Carey is quite right. In the end, there will be no compromises with sharia or with Islam.

The archbishop had argued that the introduction of parts of Islamic law would help improve social cohesion, but Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor joined Lord Carey in attacking this idea and urged Muslims to do more to integrate.

“The extent to which multiculturalism has been encouraged recently has meant a lessening of the kind of unity that a country needs,” he told this newspaper. “There are common values which are part of the heritage of this country which should be embraced by everybody.

“I don’t believe in a multi-cultural society. When people come into this country they have to obey the laws of the land.” He says that sharia law clashes with British culture and stresses that the Government must act to stop the acceptance of foreign practices. Last week, this newspaper revealed that men with multiple wives had been given the go-ahead by ministers to claim extra welfare benefits.

“The laws of this country don’t allow forced marriages or polygamy,” Lord Carey writes. “A government and a country has a right to make sure those laws are kept.”

A government and a country not only has a right to make sure those laws are kept, it has the responsibility to make sure those laws are kept.

A government keeps the mandate of the people only so long as it upholds the laws of the land, which represent the codified will of the people themselves. A government which fails in this task is illegitimate, and may be dissolved by the people by any and all means necessary.

This is the first Sunday of Lent, so it’s appropriate to remember the exchange between Pilate and Christ on Good Friday (John 19:10-11):

So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”


Hat tips: TB for the article, Steen for the cartoon.

15 comments:

Homophobic Horse said...

Trash: "A MUSLIM leader declared last night: “We don’t want Sharia law in Wales.”
But secretary of the Welsh Muslim Council Saleem Kidwai backed the under-fire Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, saying his message had been taken out of context, and labelled the backlash “typical Islamophobia”."


Seeing as though Sharia is an essential part of Islam the Muslim here is both lying and denouncing objectors to Islam as mentally deranged (In a typically Islamic manner, anyone who is not a Muslim is a pig and a monkey, or worse yet a Zionist Pig F*qqer.)

Ypp said...

While we were enjoying life, they have appointed every single head, from school principals to Chief editors and Archbishops. If not for the Internet we wouldn't even know about that.

Homophobic Horse said...

Sharia will come anyway as long as the borders remain open. The Archdruid dhimmi is in a way being scapegoated. As someone said yesterday.

Diamed said...

The very heart of Islam,the Quran and Hadith, are hateful, evil texts that declare eternal jihad on all unbelievers and their prophet was a slave-taking pedophile rapist mass murderer. How exactly do you intend to integrate Islam with the West? It's like integrating lions with lambs, or spiders and flies. There is no harmonious relationship and there never will be, between Islam and any other society, anywhere on earth.

Laine said...

The Danish Steen link above under hat tips had some interesting comments in English:

"If Britain were an inmate in a psychiatric hospital (and there is quite a bit of empirical evidence that it should be), the nation would be on 24-hour suicide watch. I say this after coming across this headline in the Sunday Telegraph: “Multiple wives will mean multiple benefits.”

and speaking of psychiatric hospitals, apparently this is now a way of paring Muslim harems of wives who no longer please:

"A few weeks ago, I was chatting to a woman who works in an advocacy role for Muslim women in an area that, quite independently of the Bishop of Rochester, she described as a ‘no-go area’ for non-Muslims. Her clients were women in the process of being sectioned into mental health units in the NHS. This woman, who for obvious reasons begged not to be identified, told me:’The men get tired of their wives. Or bored. Or maybe the wife objects to her daughter being forced into a marriage she doesn’t want. Or maybe she starts wearing western clothes.There can be many reasons. The women are sent for assessment to a hospital. The GP referring them is Muslim. The psychiatrist assessing them is Muslim and male. I have sat in these assessments where the psychiatrist will not look the woman patient in the eye because she is a woman. Can you imagine! A psychiatrist refusing to look his patient in the eye? The woman speaks little or no English. She is sectioned. She is divorced. There are lots of these women in there, locked up in these hospitals. Why don’t you people write about this?’ [..]

Athos said...

I beg to differ with H.H. I do not think the Archbishop is not being scapegoated. The Middle England awoke to the sound of his alarm clock sounds, and now they want to turn off his sounds. How does that happen? Throw the damned clock across the room, stomp on it, turn it the hell off ... you name it.

Whether or not he believes his own words doesn't matter; the effect has been the same. England seems to have awakened from its somnabulism while the barbarians waltzed in. Bloody high time too.

Athos said...

Rather, he is not being scapegoated (forgive the double negative).

BTW, notice that one can now make a negative statement with a double positive: Yeah, right.

Englishsummer said...

Pat Condell addresses this issue in "Sharia Fiasco" on youtube.

I Can't get it to download onto this thread but if you go to;

www.livelink.com/view?i=a5b_1202657423

He is fast becoming the British Geerd Wilders.

Anonymousterry said...

Hey Baron....has anybody gauged the British publics reaction? Terry

Homophobic Horse said...

""A few weeks ago, I was chatting to a woman who works in an advocacy role for Muslim women in an area that, quite independently of the Bishop of Rochester, she described as a ‘no-go area’ for non-Muslims. Her clients were women in the process of being sectioned into mental health units in the NHS. This woman, who for obvious reasons begged not to be identified, told me:’The men get tired of their wives. Or bored. Or maybe the wife objects to her daughter being forced into a marriage she doesn’t want. Or maybe she starts wearing western clothes.There can be many reasons. The women are sent for assessment to a hospital. The GP referring them is Muslim. The psychiatrist assessing them is Muslim and male. I have sat in these assessments where the psychiatrist will not look the woman patient in the eye because she is a woman. Can you imagine! A psychiatrist refusing to look his patient in the eye? The woman speaks little or no English. She is sectioned. She is divorced. There are lots of these women in there, locked up in these hospitals. Why don’t you people write about this?’ [..]
2/10/2008 2:49 PM"

Yeah. That's why we are against big government. Gives to much power to sinister infiltrators and agents of collectivism. Such as PC teachers and diversity officers.

No wonder Vlaams Belang is so detested.

Englishsummer said...

anonymousterry;

If I can be permited to field your question - as a Brit;

The jurys is still out on that one I'm afraid. I'll report back in a week or two, but initial reports are that our government are unable to keep their usual politically correct lid on things, and the right wing sections of the press are having an absolute field day.

Mikael said...

englishsummer:

I can't get your link to work, but Pat can be seen here.
As always, he cuts to the bone.

David M said...

The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 02/11/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.

Zenster said...

While I sometimes think that Pat Condell is a little too harsh on Christianity—especially in light of Islam's greater threat—as an atheist, he certainly is entitled to his trepidations regarding ALL religions. One can only imagine just how badly Condell views Christianity due to f@%kwits like Rowan Williams.

Past that, the bloke's got a marvellous way with words and certainly has no intention of mincing them. That much I can respect.

Englishsummer said...

Zenster;

Have you noticed in the comments section of his video page, how many Islamic death threats he regularly receives?.