Regarding the Detractors of Vlaams Belang
by Baron Bodissey

The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report via Gates of Vienna.
For a complete Fjordman blogography, see The Fjordman Files. There is also a multi-index listing here.

Several prominent blogs are at it again with accusations against various European groups. Despite what The Australian newspaper claims, the British National Party did not participate at the meeting to establish “Cities against Islamization.” They also did not participate at the Counter-Jihad Conference in October, because they carry too much baggage with them, including open anti-Semitism.
I understand, however, the deep frustration of native Brits who have to watch as their country disappears right in front of them, and have few real alternatives to turn to. If the BNP gets more support, this is only due to the failure or outright betrayal of the established parties in the UK and throughout the European Union. If the mainstream parties want to restore the public’s faith in them then they have to address their concerns, permanently end Muslim immigration, and take a long break from mass immigration in general.
Since I’m already here, I would like to ask VB’s detractors a question. They have warned against the rise of “Fascists” in Europe, but have never made any attempt to define exactly what “Fascism” is. It’s about time they did that. So what is fascism?
If they answered that, they would notice that people such as Jonah Goldberg argue that Fascism is in many ways a left-wing movement. Daniel Pipes seems to agree, and I have been arguing the same in the past. I have been advocating more free speech in Europe, less government intrusion and more checks and balances on state power, viewpoints as far removed from Fascism as humanly possible.
In contrast, the left-wing comrades of Øyvind Strømmen, the third-rate Norwegian Islam apologist who has for years written disparagingly about Oriana Fallaci, Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq and other anti-Jihadists and is now enthusiastically linked to by some anti-Jihad blogs, are far closer to the ideals of Fascism and the all-powerful state than I am.
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Moreover, I would like to point out that the only persons throughout this latest blog war who have linked approvingly to an organization whose leading members have advocated genocide against hundreds of millions of people are these same supposedly anti-jihad bloggers. One of the co-founders of Swedish extreme left-wing organization Expo, Tobias Hübinette, wrote in 1996 that “To feel and even think that the white race is inferior in every conceivable way is natural with regards to its history and current actions. Let the Western countries of the white race perish in blood and suffering. Long live the multicultural, racially mixed and classless ecological society! Long live anarchy!”
Hübinette continued working for Expo after he had made this open call for the extermination of every white person on the planet. Expo has received public support for their work for “Multicultural tolerance.”
This “anti-racist” organization was used by the critics of Sverigedemokraterna as a primary source regarding Swedish politics, despite the fact that I warned against doing so. These detractors should be decent enough to publicly apologize for linking approvingly to an organization whose co-founder has called for the extermination of every single person of European origins, especially since they are so concerned about the supposed “extremism” of others.
I should also mention that Expo a few weeks ago published a report entitled “The war against Islam” about the rise of “organized Islamophobia” in the West. They especially focused on a network of “Islamophobic blogs” that warned against the spread of sharia and “should probably be banned.” Some of the blogs mentioned were the same ones that use Expo as a valued source!
So self-righteous blogs link approvingly to an organization which thinks they are dangerous and Islamophobic, and should probably be banned by law. The term “useful idiots” does come to mind.
Various high-minded people are concerned that the anti-Jihad movement can be infiltrated by political extremists. I agree, although I would be at least as concerned regarding left-wing extremists as right-wing extremists. Judging from the uncritical way Expo and similar organizations have been linked, I am tempted to conclude that somebody is indeed being used as a tool by groups with a secret agenda.
And it’s not me.
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Baron Bodissey | 1/20/2008 08:44:00 PM






















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Great article!
Pity it had to be written at all.
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Excellent article as usual, Fjordman. You're doing a fine job of standing up for us (that is, those slandered by LGF and company). As usual, your article is articulate, convincing, and just way more logical than anything the other side has said. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, Fjordman. We are indebted to you for your tireless efforts to bring attention to and properly focus on this.
Once again, thanks for your excellent contributions, Fjordude.
I think it important to point out that Charles wrote:
It's curious that Brussels Journal doesn't mention the BNP. Numerous Australian papers carried the story, credited to "Correspondents in Brussels," and specifically identified the BNP as being there.
Numerous papers? As of this writing, google lists one Australian source, the same one used by CJ and RS. Care to name the other "numerous" Oz papers, Charles? And note this to the right..
Article from: Agence France-Presse
Kinda makes ya wonder who those "correspondents" are, n'est pas?
It's beyond me that CJ, who constantly bags on the MSM and their shoddy work, would depend so heavily on them now.
Trust but verify, d*ckweed. RS might take care to heed that advice as well. Oh and, whatever happened to that 48 hr golden rule of yours? Kinda goes out the window whenever it concerns the VB, eh?
You suck.
I was banned from LGF for pointing out the affair of the British Ballerina (living with and having a child by a Chinese-Cuban man) who was outed as a BNP member. Her reason for joining? It was the only organization serious about immigration.
While I do not like in any way the BNP, I can see it's growth as inevitable to the extent that no mainstream party will seize it's issues of: reaction against PC, being proud of the British Nation not ashamed of it, ending multiculturalism which amounts to worshipping every other culture but that of the West (and loathing British Culture especially), immigration legal or otherwise, and creeping Islamization.
These are all real issues along with crime celebrated not tolerated by the Conservative and Labor and Social Democrats that deeply affect people's lives. For a middle class Ballerina to join the BNP ought to be huge red flag that something seriously wrong is with British Society.
To the extent that Conservatives or the UK Independence Party take over the BNP's core issues they fade. To the extent that these issues are ceded to them they grow. Simple as that and true action against "Fascism" or White Racism or Anti-Semitism must be not "population replacement" and subjugation of the existing native population but out-competing the BNP the way a healthy lawn will choke out weeds.
Actually, what CJ is perpetrating against us Europeans is a form of collective blood libel. It's ugly.
As for the UK, my bet is on the UK Indepencen Party to take over the issues that BNP feeds on, then let BNP fade into oblivion. I met the UKIP MP that now runs for mayor in London - really a great fellow. While he probably has zero chance of getting elected, he will be able to use his candidacy as a platform to force the other candidates to address serious issues.
Actually, what CJ is perpetrating against us Europeans is a form of collective blood libel. It's ugly.
I'm sure he or people with him would argue that we deserve it for being nazi jew haters or something. Gates has ascended to the rank of "propaganda" site in the eyes of some commentators over there.
The UKIP is a spent force already. Its leaders have taken a moderately successful party and reduced it to a petty squabbling shop in his bid to take down the tories. If they'd been fighting against the EU they wouldn't have run candidates in marginal tory seats, but would have acted strategically to bring down Labour instead.
NOw, that said, it should be possible to re-energise the party but only once the current leadership have been driven out. They're a bunch of idiots, frankly.
Of course it wouldn't make any difference. Over at t'other place I saw at least one person claiming that the BNP had for all intents and purposes already taken over UKIP so, if they do start to rise up in the polls again, it'll simply be a case of wheeling out the same "criticism" against them.
his s/b "their". brain no worky good.
'Several prominent blogs are at it again with accusations against various European groups. Despite what The Australian newspaper claims, the British National Party did not participate at the meeting to establish “Cities against Islamization.”'
I agree completely. The news article about that meeting merely said that 'representatives of BNP were in attendance'. All it says is that they showed up. They did not organize the meeting, they were not invited, nor did they participate in any other way. And yet LGF is still claiming that Vlaams Belang has entered into an 'alliance' with them.
I posted my thoughts on this matter on the LGF comments. I am probably the only dissenter left with an active account on that blog. But my comments were completely ignored.
You all seem to set great store by democracy,until the BNP is mentioned.I would rather have democracy than its alternative,but you all seem to ignore the fact that our enemies,both administrations and islamo-fascist,do not care less about democracy.The lion will never lay down with the lamb,unless he wants to be eaten,but another lion will cause him to have some kind of respect.Some people dislike spiders,some people love thier country,this does not make them lesser that any-one else,and if one is truly committed to democracy,one must give equal weight to thier views ,we might dis-agree,but once we could accept thier views without witch hunts and slander,unfortunately these days politics is so hysterical and crude that now we are happy to burn any-one that thinks contrary ,and this is caused by isolation,induced by mobile phones and computers,and while we are seperate from one another,we have no political force,and the conscience of each man is sub-sumed into which-ever kind of tyranny is in vogue.
Let me understand ..just to be sure.. you are claiming based on...??.. that the BNP just happened to show up?
Do you think that Rudy Giuliani, or Mitt, or MccCain would simply ignore flag waving Stormfront and CCC members who just happened to 'show up' at a border security fence building rally?
Again, if VB is SERIOUS as a non racist player, they should be filling the air with ..GET AWAY FROM US.
Are they?
All I see is this either ..BNP weren't REALLY REALLY there, or faced with a choice of Islamic imperialism and Shariah or outright racism, racism is not as bad.
This reasoning is a wrapped birthday present for the key practitioners of taqiyya. A gift to the Tariq Ramadan's, and Juan Cole's.
If claims of BNP not really really being there are correct, they can be morally run out of town on a rail.
Are they?
Calling Mr Dewinter ......
Hello Darkness my old friend.....gee what was the title of that song?
Epa, it was an open press conference. Anyone can turn up to that sort of thing if they want.
archonix, Let's stipulate to that for a moment ...
Fine, then, BLAST BNP TODAY as no part of this, Mr Dewinter, along with Alsace 1st and FPOE standing beside you.
Or will too many of your party 'base' feel you weak?
David Duke people would not show up un-commented on in the USA, as neither did Don Black of Stormfront here with Dr. Paul.
The LACK of utter rejection is beyond appalling.
Tariq is RUBBING HIS HANDS TOGETHER for this feast provided for him. Dewinter is the chef.
Do you believe they are that dumb?
Not me
Crap, people are busy getting righteous and all worked up with strawman arguments about BNP, to the point where people who don't knock in the doors of BNP members on a daily basis are seen as traitors to the anti-Jihad efforts.
Really, Vlaams Belang has more important matters to look at, like running a major political party (25 % of the votes) than bothering about a tiny political party in a different country.
I think anti-BNP zealots can scream and stomp all they want, and make a real pest of themselves, yet get no benefit for either themselves, GoV or the war against Jihad.
Epamonidas:
I don't know for sure that BNP were there at all. If they were, the VB people might not have even been aware of it.
Back in 1980, one of the KKK groups endorsed Ronald Reagan's candidacy for the US presidency. But he had nothing to do with those scum. Just because they endorsed him did not make him a klansman nor a racist at all.
Jungle Jim..yes indeed, and from NRO...
"A KKK chapter in Louisiana had scored some cheap publicity by endorsing Reagan in 1980, which endorsement Reagan immediately and forcefully rejected."
Calling Mr Dewinter......
"So self-righteous blogs link approvingly to an organization which thinks they are dangerous and Islamophobic, and should probably be banned by law. The term “useful idiots” does come to mind."
It sure does...
I have adopted an essay:
Better a fascist/racist/nazi than a communist (it is to be said in the face of leftists who are less powerfull than you. i.e. who can not fired you but with whom one can not have a civilised conversation)!
Epa,
How does it feel to be trapped back in Jim Crow America?
OK, a couple points for Epaminondas and other stubborn BNP-bashers:
If you have a problem with what BNP says and does (something I'm merrily ignorant about anyway), please take the issue to .. BNP!
You may want to write them a polite letter, or you may want to ram their doors at night for being a 'stain on society' or whatever. Your choice.
Epaminondas, if you really want to pester DeWinter with this, GoV is probably not the right place. Sure, we have people here who has the email address of Mr. DeWinter. So what?
I pick my friends with caution and due dilligence. Once picked, I stick with them unless they do something utterly disgraceful and refuse to repent on it. The VB have performed excellently in this regard, they have more courage and integrity than just about any other political party in Europe. Which, in turn, makes them a favorite target of witchhunting, unfortunately.
They may join initiatives or form alliances or be photographed in a room with people who we don't like. So what? How many of our leaders have been photographed with evil dictators? That doesn't make them evil. Perhaps a little stupid, but not evil.
If we start to accept this guilt-by-association game, we can have no friends on the planet. I'm responsible for my actions, for the organisations I participate in and direct.
I am not directly responsible for the actions or statements of people I associate with. If they for some reason do something completely incompatible with my own views, I'll leave. But presenting crappy evidence and demanding all kinds of refutations cannot force me to abandon my friends.
I'm not responsible, in any sense of the meaning, for the actions or statements of the people or organisations they choose to associate with. If I were, I'd ultimately be responsible for everything evil that ever took place on this planet.
This is 'Reductia ad Absurdum', a classical way to show that your ponit of view doesn't make sense.
I think it has more meaning to return to our regular Islam-bashing, or our opponents will laugh their stomachs out over the barroom brawls we're having...
epa wrote:Tariq is RUBBING HIS HANDS TOGETHER for this feast provided for him. Dewinter is the chef.
Actually Tariq Ramadan is rubbing his hands together over the feast provided to him by Oyvind Strommen, who wrote all kinds of lovely things about Tariq Ramadan on his old blog, and who favors unlimited Muslim immigration into Europe, and who attacked Fjordman and tried to discredit him when Fjordman exposed the Muslim rape epidemic in Norway (which the Norwegian government was forced to finally confirm some while ago.)
"Better a fascist/racist/nazi than a communist"
You sure you're able to tell them apart?
A couple clues:
Fascism ~= communism. They have common roots and are closely related, as Fjordman initially pointed out. If you are not clear about this, please read up on history. It's important.
Nazism ~= racism. They are closely related, too, and racism is the unique contribution of the nazis to the fascist movement, utterly disgracing it in the process.
I still think fascism is stupid. But it's different from nazism and racism, which are evil.
Epaminondas,
"If VB is SERIOUS as a non racist player, they should be filling the air with ..GET AWAY FROM US.
The LACK of utter rejection is beyond appalling."
Please, try to get my point(s):
Vlaams Belang is a nationalistic Flemish party. If it is Nationalistic, it means that the party line is to be representing the people and the best interests of the people they belong to. Besides all else, in order to, in this case, be blessed with an indepndent state, or maybe join The Netherlands.
The people Vlaams Belang reprsent is the Flemish/Dutch people.
The Flemish/Dutch people is an European people.
European peoples are racially classified as Caucasians.
For being lighter skinned than other peoples, European peoples are generally reffered to as white.
The Flemish/Dutch people is a Germanic people, Germanic peoples are considered Indo-Euopeans or Aryan if you prefer, despite that last term is outdated.
The Flemish/Dutch are a people blended by race / common origins/ ethnicity.
They are Caucasian, white, Indo-European. They are geografically situated in Europe.
If Vlaams Belang stands for a pople of only one race, how can they be racist? There are no other race Flemish/Dutch people.
So the real question is,
why are you supporting a multicultural Europe?
Henrik,
First, I do not agree much with that defenition but it does not matter.
The truth is, I am no expert in such qualifications. What I can say is that from those four concepts I prefer Fascism than Nazism than Communism than Racism.
It does not mean that I would like to live or support any of those.
For exemple, I see Putin as a litle fascist, but I prefer him to the European leaders left of centre (even if they claim being right wing).
Putin stays by its people that is the least a governor should do.
European (as if Russia was not European) politicians don't really care about their people, which I think disgracefull.
I coined that phrase and it is aimed to be shoot out when somebody acuses others of such now "loose terms" in order to demonyze its opponent.
Another phrase
"Not one of our great national heroes were leftie"
It is only about politics, and why? Because those of the left, don't seem to care about the people.
I hope I have made me understood.
Let me put this simply.
The BNP have not made any statements about attending or supporting this cities against islamisation press conference or the organisation, nor have they endorsed it. None of the officially represented groups made any reference to the BNP. No european newspapers have made any reference to the BNP. All we have is one australian newspaper article.
Why, then, should these people renounce the BNP for maybe being in the same room? Why should they care?
Seems this is a case of blowing something out of all proportion. AGAIN.
Henriques, I stand by my assessment of the various ideologies, in agreement with Fjordman and referring to history, for which Fjordman has provided relevant sources.
Yes, it's new to me, too.
A fascist system is something I could live in, though I'd probably be a 'subersive element' in it :)
Putin's Russia is interesting. He's suspended democracy without entirely destroying it, opening the door for a full democracy later. My personal opinion is that it probably is the best that could happen to Russia these days, that a contiuation of the Yeltsin anarchy would have been much worse, and that when time is ripe, we will have to pick up the pieces from there.
They know what they have and what they're doing. The United States, on the other hand...
Somehow, liberty at the very individual level seems to be badly damaged in the US today. On a perfect private level, I might prefer to live in Russia over USA. Sure, it's not nearly as rich, and it's more dangerous, but the yoke of political correctness doesn't weigh remotely as heavily in Russia.
Again ...take a look at the elegant express elevator to hell justifying white europe which all amounts to 'we can't help it', and accusations that I am a multiculturalist. Which btw, probably makes most Americans just that (excepting significantly, Stormfront and it's politer face, the CCC, and also Aztlan and the La Raza morons, who want another kind of exceptionalism).
It is a FAILURE for VB not to publicly eschew BNP. A few words and it's all KILLED, categorically regardless of this episode. Killed for the next 'blown out of proportion' episode.
If they didn't know then they know now about BNP being there, and that is if one rejects outright the australian news.
They (VB) don't care, and they tacitly WELCOME AND SUPPORT those who sympathize with what BNP wants, and directly with most (if not all) BNP ideals. The more confusion about just how close, the better.
You reject outright the Australian paper.
Apparently that is essential isn't it?
The tortuous gymnastics to make it ok are something to behold.
Apply that critical thought to this that is being applied to this multiculturalist stuck in Jim Crow times. If you only knew how really funny that is.
No minds will be changed to day, but when this comes up again, and as we can see IT WILL, remember.
Had Reagan NOT utterly condemned his support by the KKK it could not possibly have been blown out of proportion. By doing so he killed the entire episode in 30 seconds. When that occurred RR didn't know it, wasn't around, and had no clue about it...but he reacted UNERRINGLY in every aspect.
Dewinter? Holocaust deniers and racists (as Spencer dramatically shows) of the BNP
Epaminondas, your scaremongering and unrestricted libel is, in my view, a violation of the PG-13 guidelines of this blog.
Ok now you're just being obtuse. They were not there. Multiple sources demonstrate that they were not there, not supporting, not endorsing, not anything. ONE source claims they were attending. ONE SOURCE.
You don't think the BNP would have made a fuss if they were actually attending this thing in any remotely official capacity? Wouldn't they be trumpeting it from the rooftops if they were taking part or even just endorsing the idea?
What you're demanding would be like Reagan renouncing a bunch of redneck racists in Alabama because some of them might have been at one of his speeches.
Thus Henrik finally emulates the hated LGF? LOVERLY
If we cannot tolerate THIS level of dissent, ... what then?
I am a threat to order, eh Henrik?
Very disappointing.
My attitude has been noticed, Henrik?
Arch ..you assume it has BEEN demonstrated and accepted that BNP was not there.
I do not. Nor do some others.
All back to Dewinter and white europe...which remains uncontested.
Enough.