Thursday, November 04, 2010

A Few Who Stood up to Many

Amsterdam: EDL Van #1

Last Saturday a dozen or so anti-jihad groups from all over Western Europe gathered in Amsterdam for a free speech rally under the auspices of the Dutch Defence League. The English Defence League’s participation in the event was well-publicized in advance by the media, and EDL members had to run the “anti-fascist” gauntlet to get from the railway station to the demo. As you may recall, the EDL contingent’s rented minivan was attacked by anarchists and culture enrichers, and had most of its windows smashed in.

On Saturday evening several members of the Counterjihad Collective who were present that day collaborated on an account of what happened to the EDL. None of them was actually in the van, so their report was based on second-hand information.

Corkie is one of the EDL leaders who rode in the smashed-up minivan. He was concerned about the inaccuracies in what we posted here, so he wrote to me to set the record straight:

I don’t want my lads portrayed as the victims in what happened — that article was slightly “embellished”. We were not battered, far from it. Attacked, yes, but not battered.

In fact, there were a few Moroccans who went home with bloody lips and hurting knackers. We didn’t run away from them; we walked. We got attacked and we battered a few. The horrible little bastards were swinging blades, belt buckles, all sorts of things.

No reason we should be seen as weak — there’s being a victim, and there’s being battered. We weren’t battered.

We were a few who stood up to many.

I want to go back!

Another EDL member who was also there that day sends this:
The EDL are still trying to find out which branch of the British cops helped them out of their dilemma. Thank God they did! It could have been a bloodbath.

It is still not clear what corps those London cops belonged to. We’re waiting for “clearance” for that information to be passed to us. Good job they were there, in all honesty.

We hope an official complaint will be made by the British authorities to the Dutch.

So now we’re all curious: Who were the guardian angels of the EDL on October 30?


Anonymous said...

"In fact, there were a few Moroccans who went home with bloody lips and hurting knackers."

All this sort of statement does is enable the dhimmis and UAF to validate their slandering the EDL as a bunch of thugs.

...who knows, maybe they are right.

I do think some Americans rush to readily to endorsethe EDL full-heartedly before we really have had a chance to establish (over time) what they are really like. They really do include a lot of skinheads dont they. The pictures prove it. Comments like the above indicate something similar. If it turns out that they really are a bunch of thugs then all these ringing endorsements will prove to be a marvellous pool of material the dhimis can use to slate anti-Islamists with.

Legend said...

The Beginnings

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy, willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.

Rudyard Kipling (1915)

filthykafir said...

@ al-ttt: The EDL is (as noted by the Baron several days ago) almost exclusively a working-class movement, a bit rough around the edges by the standards of most of us middle-class Americans. I submit, if Islam (the totalitarian political ideology taught by Mohammed) is to be rendered mute and impotent in the West -- a consummation devoutly to be wished -- quite a lot of rough-edged defensive and offensive, working-class, "hooliganism" will be required.

The thuggery of Muslims and their left-fascist allies will not be defeated by the polite conversations of conservative intellectuals and pundits. EDL football-club types and (at least in the Netherlands) not-so-polite nor gentle biker-gang members will be doing the heavy lifting, and bloody bashing, for the rest of us. We would do well to honor, not disparage, their service.

Homophobic Horse said...

Re: EDL guys fighting back

This is what our enemy is like.

Maurice Sonnenwirth said...

I dont' care if they shave their heads, beat a few Muslims (IN SELF DEFENSE, especially, as this seems to be the case here.

I'm Jewish and maybe I should worry about the EDL...then again, they applauded Rabbi Shifren a week or two ago. Fact is, right now, the common enemy is Jihadist Islam (and I would include every Muslim who doesn't oppose the Jihadists, even if they claim to be "moderate").

I agree, all the politeness, kowtowing, bending over backwards to be "tolerant" when it so often goes to the point of baring the neck towards suicide...none of that will help the West. Appeasement famously didn't work in Germany in the 1930s', and it has worked nowhere and no place that I know of.

So if it takes a combo of strong-willed leaders such as Geert Wilders, to sound the alarm, and "hooligans", i.e. the common folks whose world is under attack (and the bad guys appear to be winning in Britain, due to the complicity of the weak-willed and stupid), then so be it.

Anonymous said...

Dont talk to me about "working class".Im a prole who has had his comments here censored previously because of Anglo-Saxon vocabulary. Ive put ******** in hospital and been in the nick for it. But being a prole doesn't mean being a Neanderthal.

All the aggressive posturing(and it is posturing,being utterly impotent against the police) of certain EDL members does is make it easy to paint anti-Islamists as fascists. All the talk of "doing the heavy lifting" is twaddle...nobody can do anything when they are in the nick!

Now Im not suggesting there wont be bloodshed. Dont get me wrong, I dont want that to happen. But I am pretty sure it will. It will start when parts of Northern England declare themselves Islamic city-states. Exactly what happenned in the Balkans when Sarajevo did that. Then it'll kick off. The Muslim communities will start it, by violently expelling non-Muslims remaining in places like Bradford. Then non-Muslims will form defensive militias. The authorities (police and army) will be deployed to protect the Muslims, who will with inflated confidence get carriedaway with their zeal. Then there really will be mass graves (like the mythical ones in the Balkans).

Under such circumstances, then we are stuffed. Because, you see, the elites and government will ALWAYS side with the Muslims who are ALWAYS portrayed as victims.

Do you suppose a bunch of unemployed...more to the point, totally unarmed (this being britain) yobbos are going to defeat the British army? Really! With what, spit and b&&**=c&s

No. The only way to avoid anti-Islamists eventually being rounded up and interned is to break, smash, totally undermine the stereotype of anti-islamists as Fascists. That stereotype sets the agenda. It will enable the real Fascists to get away with anything. THAT is the lesson and the only concrete thing to come out of the Amsterdam demo.

And the EDL are just providing the ammo our enemies need to keep painting that picture.

Their hearts are in the right place.Unfortunately they dont have the brains to go with it and patently lack any grasp of their plight.

I think we need a totally fresh approach. As I suggested before, a PINK PROTEST movement. We dont even need to mention the words "Muslim" or "Islam" in order to get the message over.

In Hoc Signo Vinces† said...

In hoc signo vinces

Particularly over the last several years the UK Parliament has been leeking authority and power like a sieve it is doubtful that the politicians could hold the allegiance of the armed forces if they were ordered to turn on a section of the indigenous peoples of the UK - predominantly the armed forces are the working class.

EscapeVelocity said...

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you! --- Conan the Barbarian

King Leonidas: The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this battle was over, even a god-king can bleed.

Anonymous said...

4 symbols...I guess you are American. The British Army is not run like the US army. They dont take votes on whether to follow orders. If a British soldier is told to do it he will. Yes, they are proles, and the army is an institutional magnification of the British Class System. Proles in the army "know their place". Ever heard of Peterloo?

British soldiers are given the most ridiculous suicidal orders in Afghanistan and they follow them!

In fact, wherever you live, you clearly havent a clue about the realities of life in the UK. The police are proles too. They absolutely do the bidding of the ruling elites against the interest of their own people.

That said, when Britain teetered on the edge of a military coup in the mid-Seventies and one of my brothers in the Met police was sent with his colleagues for preparatory training for it at an army base, his verdict was that if there was going to be a "national emergency" (as they termed it) his only priority was to protect his own family and to hell with the orders.

It doesn't matter how you dice it, a bunch of skinheads will never unseat "the powers that be". Its ridiculous. A joke. What do they think they are doing?

The only way to proceed is to refuse to conform to the leftist stereotypes. Depotentiate the leftist narrative of anti-Islamism being "right wing". All the EDL do is play up to those stereotypes.

In Hoc Signo Vinces† said...

In hoc signo vinces


Not American firmily entrenched in the UK and I am well aware of the British Armed Forces propensity to turn on its own if ordered to do so for the Queens shilling. The Peterloo example has to much historical fade to be a template for modern times.

As for the subversion of the mid-Seventies there maybe some comparisons that of a powerful elite lamenting empire and then fantasizing and plotting to have the UK as nothing more than a plantation state. Dictating that the indigenous population be reduced to helots and dhimmitude, imagine Prince Charles instead of Mountbatten as the Viceroy of the plantation state.

The moral of the story if your going to play empire play it abroad not at home and never forget 'Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

Anonymous said...

4Symbols....Sorry to call you a foreigner;-) My interpretation of the Seventies is different. The country genuinely was halfway down the pan and up the u-bend. One more flush and it was gone. Practically nothing in the public sector (which was almost everything) worked for more than a week without a flash strike. Buses, refuse, sewage, water,power, phones, post, name it. Plus many people were paying 60% tax and inflation was rapoidly reaching Zimbabwe standards. Hence, a military intervention was almost necessary. Planning for it was ptrettu much public and unconcealed. Such as the day we awoke to find Heathrow had been taken over and occupied by tanks overnight in rehearsal for a "civil emergency". As Imentioned before, one of my brothers in the Met police was actually sent to an army base with colleagues to train for it.

As a teenager I was of course hostile to this scenario but looking back I can see it was probably going to be necessary if things didnt change. The authorities were in effect giving out signals to the Labour government and the unions to get their act together and change their stance.

They didnt. The thing that changed the picture was Thatcher. Her election in effect lanced the boil of runaway socialist quasi anarchy. Her policies reversed the trend and made a military junta unnecessary.

Today, had we similar cold-war leaders in our military...asopposed to generalship composed of social-science graduates brainwashed with political correct ideology, I would say a junta is exactly what we do need. We need a temporary suspensiuon of what laughably passes for democracy here and the entire educational,civil-service, whitehall, politiucal andmedia system purged of the subversive cadsres who have so utterly seized control of those things since the fall of the USSR.

But, as I say, the military leadership is now on the sideof the leftist subversives themselves. If it comes to bloodshedin thiscountry, then I maintain, the British Army (or maybe a European "peace"force,perhaps comprising Turks) will be deployed to suppress non-Muslim resistence.

Whether some squaddies refuse or go awol is another matter. But I dont think itwould domuch to change the big picture. Aggressive acts willonly ever serve the ends of the Islamnist element here, who will never ultimately be held to account.