Sunday, July 18, 2010

Updates on Yesterday’s Demo in Dudley

Update 6:52pm BST: A photo of one of the accident victims at the scene:

EDL demo Dudley July 17, 2010 #6

The report accompanying the photo:

That lad in the pic was a local lad. Pablo pulled him out. He was being dealt with by our first aiders then the OB [police] came storming down the road and batoned our first aiders as they were treating him.

Also, Durotrigan has some more video footage of Dudley. Additional photos are here.


From EDL sources, this is a report from an eyewitness to the car incident in which several people were run down and injured. According to rumor, one of the victims died.

We can gather from this account that the trouble began when EDL demonstrators started throwing bricks at cars, and that the ensuing accident was a result of panic rather than intentional hit-and-run. But we’ll need more accounts from eyewitnesses before the picture becomes completely clear.

I’ve cleaned up the spelling and punctuation in the text, and separated some of the long run-on sentences into shorter and more manageable ones. Other than that, this report is as it came to me:

What happened from what I seen:

After all the crap the police did trying to stop us from getting into the town centre, I decided to walk round and see if I could get in from the top end, i.e. by Nettos.

As I was walking round, I met up with a group that was walking up from the other side of Dudley, so I joined them and walked up. They was all in the road and on the path.

The light changed and cars stopped. Some of them picked up bricks and started chucking them at the cars, and smashed the back window on a Golf. The car in front of the Golf, from what I could see, just drove off.

I don’t know who was in the car. As the car drove off they ran over whoever was in front of them. I did see one man go right over the top of the car and land hard on the floor [street] and someone got hit from the side, and the car then drove off.
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And another car came out from the side street almost hitting the bloke that went over the car, and they also drove off.

We all ran down to see if the people was OK. There was a lady at the side of the road and the man in the middle. After that everyone was looking after them.

And I thought, enough is enough, and left as the police got there, and went to get my car from where I’d left it. I went back to Tipton to see what had gone on, and to find out if they was OK or what ever. And I was told that they had died.

I hope this helps as its what I seen with out anything added.

What I can say is it was what them lads did that made what happened happen. Coz to me it looked like they drove off in panic, not to harm anyone, and it was a tragic accident, but I don’t know for sure, as I didn’t see the driver.

I do know the driver in the Golf was white, and didn’t deserve his window being done.

15 comments:

Durotrigan said...

This account explains a lot. It is understandable that someone in a blind panic induced by having bricks thrown at their car would have driven with less care than usual. This is tragic for all concerned, and just points to what can happen when people employ needless thoughtless violence. I don't see how throwing bricks at cars can in any way assist the counterjihad movement. This sort of behaviour has to be stamped out.

rickl said...

Thanks for that account. Do you think the brick-throwers could have been agent provocateurs?

Baron Bodissey said...

rickl --

Yes indeed I do. The EDL is known to be massively infiltrated. Some of the most widely-circulated media photos of sieg-heiling EDL people are actually shots of infiltrators. They position themselves for best media effect, and then do the things that will bring on the most negative publicity for the EDL.

It reminds me of the fake Tea Party people who are inserted into events by Democrat operatives. They carry ludicrously phony racist signs, but the media love them. That's what has helped establish the "tea parties are racist" meme.

Another one is the NPD in Germany -- the neo-Nazis. Up to a third of the party membership is reportedly made up of government informers. The infiltrators are among the most intelligent and active leaders, and are even involved in planning the most outrageous events.

It serves the interests of the establishment to sprinkle our ranks with grotesque parodies of our cause. That's why we need an effective counterintelligence division, which at this point is sorely lacking.

ole said...

Something like this HAD to happen before or later . If you're in it for the long haul , you'll have to get used to this kind of thing . Sometimes you get your hands dirty and its just a part of life that you have learn to deal with . If we're going to stand up to the muslim street gangs , we need people who are not afraid of ANYTHING at all, who can teach the rest us how to overcome the far-too-soft way most of us were brought up.
To face without blinking a gang of street thugs who have been raised in a sea of personal violence ,is a very hard thing to do for anybody who comes from a wellfunktioning suburbia-family.
Only by forging a real brotherhood between the naturally courageous and the welleducated can a powerfull new counterjihad force be created . Even Wilders is going to need somebody to watch his back before or later.

Zenster said...

A fine effing kettle of fish this is. Now they'll be outlawing bricks! How anyone thought this was going to further EDL goals is beyond me. Let's hope they can track down the particular offender and see if that person wasn't a shill or plant who intended to disrupt the event.

If anything, that person needs to be held responsible in connection with injuries sustained when that poor bloke ran over people whilst fleeing the scene of that brick lobbing.

Durotrigan said...

rickl, there is a small minority element within the EDL that's into violence for the sake of it. Remember, it draws upon a number of football hooligan firms, but I wouldn't describe the EDL itself as a hooligan outfit. One of their number, whom it became apparent didn’t have much brainpower, left an absurd comment on my blog claiming that I was attacking the EDL and calling them racists. This is perplexing, as I had done neither. I started blogging due to my support for the counterjihad movement in the UK, having been on a couple of demonstrations supporting Denmark during the cartoons crisis and opposing Shariah law. I have covered the aims of the EDL favourably since its inception. Simply because I stated in a comment that if the EDL were to protest in Dudley again they ought to look at doing it in a way to minimise the negative impact on trade and thereby not alienate local people, this damned fool attacked me as follows:


"Durotrigan wrote:"If the EDL do seek to protest again, they need to do so peacefully and in an area which will not cause disruption to your trade."
so you want to ban demonstrators who are fighting also for YOUR CHILDRENS future to some place they cant be heard ??? Because of trade ???
you are pathetic. EDL is englands hope as is Geert Wilders for the netherlands. you call us racists but we at least have some back bone, we are fighting for our people.
sorry for bad english and sorry for you."


So, there you have it. A minority of members of the EDL are so dim that they cannot even distinguish between their strong supporters and their opponents. I’m hoping that individuals such as the one who left that comment do not comprise the main body of the EDL, for if they do, we’re screwed.

NorseAlchemist said...

As interesting as this is, we can't let it get in the way of the Police and Muslim brutality that has been reported. Perhaps it was an infiltrator who threw the bricks, may just an over eager member. At this point, something happened, people were hurt, and that's that since we on here can't prove one or the other. What really matters isn't what the EDL is doing, but what is being done to them, which we can find out and spread. I say we focus on that instead.

ole said...

It disturbs me to realise the lack of honesty beeing shown here .
What would EDL be without those "fotball hooligans" that you all seem to scorn and despise ?
Just another little bunch of armchair-warriers .
Bad things happen... . Lessons wil be learned , but don't let this minor incident be an excuse to let the yearning for SURBURBIA-RESPECTABILITY overcome a rational and fearless realisation of what needs to be done.
In those detested "hooligans" national pride has survived in a full-blooded way , as opposed to the dried out ecco that might or might not linger in most other people.
We need them for sure.
I hope they too realise that they need us..

About the infiltration of "government agents" -show them the real thing and they too will be surprisigly likely to change sides and becomme "douple agents" ,and as such extremely valuable. Maybee many of them already are...

Anonymous said...

Having read this post earlier, I can't help mulling the following question, stupid as it sounds . . .regarding the following quote: "The light changed and cars stopped. Some of them picked up bricks and started chucking them at the cars, . . ."

Picked up bricks? Are loose bricks commonly found on Dudley streets? My gut indicates loose bricks would have been swept from the area prior to the planned demo by the police. If there were loose bricks, the police either overlooked the obvious hazard or, dare I imply, the police actually abetted this subterfuge.

Anonymous said...

While it's sad to see people get hurt in the protest and especially innocent people who apparently had nothing to do with it, I must admit that violence is going to be necessary if the protests are going to accomplish anything.

The sad truth of the matter is that only time that peaceful protests can accomplish anything is when they are backed by the threat of violence or when it helps the cause of one of the major political factions.

Since I'm not being British I don't know a lot about its politics but as far as I know there is not any major party willing to stand up against the Islamification of Briton. So unfortunately I see no other realistic path than using the threat of violence to get the politicians to address the concerns of the British people. Its been working for the Muslims with great success.

Zenster said...

GhostShip: … I must admit that violence is going to be necessary if the protests are going to accomplish anything.

Even if I were to agree with you, directing any anger over Islam towards ordinary Brits is more than a little counterproductive.

The sad truth of the matter is that only time that peaceful protests can accomplish anything is when they are backed by the threat of violence or when it helps the cause of one of the major political factions.

How about the threat to an appeasing official's political career? To Hell with partisanship, simply make sure those who kiss Muslim arse are out of a job.

… as far as I know there is not any major party willing to stand up against the Islamification of Britain.

Then they don't belong in office, now do they?

So unfortunately I see no other realistic path than using the threat of violence to get the politicians to address the concerns of the British people. Its been working for the Muslims with great success.

If violence is so necessary, then doesn't the foregoing provide some sort of clue with respect to where it should be directed? Live by the sword and see what happens next …

NorseAlchemist said...

I'm with Ole and Ghostship on this. I actually admire the Football fans who started the EDL thing. If it wasn't for them, nothing would be happening. And violence or the threat of violence is the only true force to bring about change in history. Peaceful protest doesn't work that well. Yes, the Civil Rights movement in America and Ghandi's movement in India did remain non-violent, but they had political or social backing from those in power.

Zenster does have a point, with his anti-violence position. Violence isn't pretty and will lead to pain, suffering, and bloodshed. It is true that those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

That being said, there is a sword upon us. It doesn't matter if we want to remain non-violent, those who seek dominance and destruction have already chosen the path of violence. So the simple question is this: If you're going to die by the sword, wouldn't you rather live by the sword in return rather than kneeling for the killing blow?

There is a Norse proverb:
The coward believes he will live forever
If he holds back in the battle,
But in old age he shall have no peace
Though spears have spared his limbs

KG said...

What I find interesting is the lack of coverage of the demo from the online UK news sources.
Quite amazing, really.

4Symbols said...

In hoc signo vinces

The EDL should cease all liaisons with the police, even if some police officers are sympathetic to the aims the British police ranks are far to heavily politicized and infiltrated to be trusted not to have sensitive (demo) intelligence handed over to the jihadists. The EDL and other counter-jihad movements must adopt (demo) strategies that circumvent police liaison which has only served to put the lives of people involved in the legitimate right to demonstrate at risk.

4Symbols said...

In hoc signo vinces

Is the Dudley Cresent the first strip of British territory to fall and be overtly subbmited to islam and defended by the British police and their Basij proxy?