Monday, June 30, 2008

Demographic Conquest

Several years ago, after 9-11 but before we started blogging, Dymphna and I often had discussions about the coming Islamization of Europe. It was easy to see the trend: on the one hand there was the demographic decline of the indigenous population, and on the other was a dangerous multicultural ideology that fosters increasing levels of Muslim immigration.

The conclusion was obvious: absent a change of course, Europe will become a Muslim continent by the year X. The only question is whether X will be 2040, or 2100, or somewhere in between.

What was hard to understand was how the transfer of power would occur. Right now the parts of Europe that have been Islamized are mostly the working-class neighborhoods of large European cities and their suburbs. The blue-collar natives are gradually driven out as whole districts become no-go zones.

However, the elites who make policy remain in power and are for the most part removed from the effects of their decisions. They don’t live in the devastated neighborhoods, or send their children to the gang-plagued schools, or worry about being mugged or raped on their way home at night.

So for the time being they get to retain their power and perks, and continue to act out the illusion of an advanced, harmonious, enlightened, multicultural society, superior in so many ways to the racist nationalistic states of the past.

But all that must change eventually. As the immigrant percentage grows larger, especially in the major cities, power must eventually be transferred to the newcomers. How will that occur?

That’s the part of this process which is difficult to visualize. At some point the white post-Christian indigenes of Europe will have to hand over the keys to their new masters, the Arab, African, Pakistani, and Turkish Muslim immigrants.

Until recently, even after five years of studying the situation, I was still struggling to grasp how it will all unfold.

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Several recent comments and news stories have fed into the reopening of this question. Though seemingly disparate items, they are pieces in a larger puzzle:

Piece #1: A comment made by What is “Occupation” on my post from last Saturday about the recent rapes in the Gare du Midi in Brussels:
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As I recently posted, this is not an isolated situation

Might I suggest the following?

  • Attacks on Jews & their property
  • Attacks on Single European women
  • Attacks on cars and property (car burnings in france)
  • Areas of Europe that are no long safe for non-african/islamic peoples
  • Areas of sharia control within europe
  • Honor Killings IN England and Europe
  • FGM in England and Europe

It is not really a fair thing to portray the Gare du Midi situation as JUST how a “european woman” has been raped, but rather it would be MORE fair to tell this story while including all the other attacks by the SAME DEMOGRAPHIC during this period.

Piece #2: The story I posted last night about the corrupt MEPs who are enriching themselves at the expense of European taxpayers whilst doing as little work as possible. These deadbeats show up for work at the crack of dawn on Fridays at the parliament building in Strasbourg, sign in so that they qualify for their lavish per-diem, and then depart for the weekend. Their reaction when caught in their shameful behavior is to call security and have the reporters thrown out of the building.

Piece #3: The promotion of whole-body Islamic swimming attire for women in Sweden, in a simultaneous series of gushing media articles about the fortunate Muslim women who can now go swimming, thanks to an aquatic version of the burqa.

Piece #4: A Dutch news story from last Saturday. According to this article from NIS, the prison population in the Netherlands has grown by 193% in the past twenty years, an average increase of 5.5% per year. Comparing the 2007 population of 16,570,613 with the 1990 population of 14,936,032, we see that the general population increased by 0.6% annually.

In other words, the prison population increased at nine times the rate of the population at large, and “the increase in the Netherlands was higher than in the other Western countries surveyed: the US, the UK, Australia, Austria, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden and Denmark.”

Piece #5: The Dutch government’s plan to crack down on bloggers who criticize Islam.

Piece #6:The emergence of a Muslim majority within the ruling Socialist Party on the Brussels City Council.

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So how do all these pieces fit together?

The commenter quoted above touched the main points of the demographic invasion of Europe. The process didn’t turned out the way its planners intended, and a dystopian nightmare has emerged across the continent, with its most intense manifestations appearing in the countries with the largest Muslim populations: France, Britain, Sweden, and the Netherlands. The pattern is everywhere remarkably similar, considering that the Muslim immigrants in each of these nations come from different countries, and even different continents.

Crime, arson, rioting, rape, honor-killings, and general lawlessness accompany the immigrants wherever they choose to settle.

The prisons are now filled to overflowing, and not just in the Netherlands. There is a general reluctance to build more prisons, since the European anointed — like their counterparts in the United States — hew to an ideology that blames crime on poverty, unemployment, illiteracy, racism, and so on. All of these conditions are alleviated by the supremely generous European welfare state, so how can there possibly be an increase in crime?

The solution: avoid chasing and apprehending most of the criminals. Release the ones that are caught at an earlier date, thus creating the illusion that crime is not all that bad. The governing classes can go on pretending that administration is running as usual and everything is normal, all the while granting themselves ever-larger salaries.

The habit of governing without accountability creates a sense of entitlement and impunity within the ruling classes, and this arrogance is reinforced as power is handed over from national bodies to the aloof bureaucracy in Brussels and Strasbourg. Endemic corruption sets in, secrecy becomes the norm, and any exposure or criticism causes a crackdown on the impertinent journalists who dare to question the actions and decisions of their overpaid and overfed overseers.

Along with the “hard broom” — crime, intimidation, ostracism, loss of employment, and laws against freedom of speech — comes the “soft broom”, a widespread propaganda campaign in public agencies and the state media to present Islamic customs and rules as normal, even admirable. The violence and barbarity are hidden and ignored. Islam is depicted as a peaceful, wholesome religion, like Christianity but somehow better.

The smiling faces of little girls in hijab and the devout men on their prayer rugs become the depicted norm, and anybody who views the situation differently is a racist, a bigot, and a xenophobe.

Real people, people who have to live with the day-to-day reality on the streets, know better. They deal with the consequences every day, but they are atomized and outnumbered. If they have a solution to the dilemma, it is to escape to the un-Islamized countryside, or even abroad — not to try to change a situation which seems hopeless and inevitable.

With the indigenous populace demoralized, and immigrant crime and intimidation ruling the mean streets of Europe’s working-class neighborhoods, the gradual insertion of Muslims into positions of power becomes feasible. The immigrants and the socialist parties have been allies for decades, so it’s only natural that the Muslims who deliver votes for the Reds and the Greens get to occupy seats at the table and help divide up the spoils.

None of the incumbent apparatchiks has to give up his power and perks. Attrition does the job, and when an indigenous office-holder retires, an immigrant from the well-oiled socialist machine is ready to take his place. The corrupt white European politician is replaced with a corrupt immigrant politician, who inherits his predecessor’s lavish lifestyle with its exorbitant salary and perks.

It’s new skin for the old ceremony.

In twenty or thirty years’ time the transition will have passed the point of no return. Muslims will have majority control of local government in many of Europe’s major cities, and will also be well-represented in the regional bodies and the EU machinery. Shariah will have been enacted piecemeal in various places — halal meals in all public institutions, the acceptance of the veil, including the burqa, in government offices and schools, the segregation of the sexes in various activities, penalties for insulting Islam, shariah finance instruments, the legalization of polygyny, etc. — so that the general public will be completely softened up for the advent of the Islamic state.

The process whereby Europe will make the transition to Islamic rule is now quite clear.

It’s already well underway, and it couldn’t happen without the primary institution that mediates the transformation: the European Union.


Hat tip for the NIS article: TB.

54 comments:

The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon said...

The scenario is plausible, which is frightening.

But it also has only a remote chance of fruition, as any number of actions along the decades-long timeline you state, or mistakes on any of your assumptions behind the actions, would derail the whole dysptopia.

What I find most disconcerting is your claim that this is all happening because of the EU.

The EU is not the problem, the problem (if you are right) lies with the pusillanimous national governments, particularly the larger ones leading the EU by virtue of their population, traditional leadership roles, and economic might.

Destroying the EU will not solve this problem. It will merely atomize it into 27 individual problems. If Denmark fights off Islamization while Germany succumbs, do you think Denmark has a chance in hell? If Germany fights off Islamization while Denmark succumbs ... do you think a vaporized Copenhagen is an acceptable solution.

The solution to the problem you and Dymphna posit is not the destruction of the EU. In fact, the EU, in the proper hands, IS the solution to your problem, on a continent-wide scale.

So how do European nationalists take back the European Union. I don't know, but it's time for the Brussels Journal crowd to start solving this problem, not fantasizing about the end of the EU.

The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon said...

Er, that's "dystopia."

PapaBear said...

The problem with extending the trend is that it ignores one thing: The immigrants are not very economically productive, and disproportionately tend to be on welfare


The welfare state will collapse long before European Muslims reach parity. What happens then is anybody's guess. I'm guessing civil war when the welfare checks don't come

Steven Zoraster said...

What happens to the blue-collar natives displaced by Muslims? They do not just disappear. Surely they are part of the solution? For example, do they have a relatively high birth rate?

Steven Zoraster

CarnackiUK said...

it’s only natural that the Muslims who deliver votes for the Reds and the Greens get to occupy seats at the table and help divide up the spoils.
As usual their own over-zealousness and impatience trips them up. Like Patrick O'Flynn noted in a recent Daily Express article: 'Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life.'
Unsurprisingly, ALL those arrested for attempted vote-rigging, postal ballot fraud etc have been members or supporters of the Labour Party, including in some instances the candidate himself. In almost every instance, the first name of the people arrested for these abuses has been Mohammed or a variant.
Thus far the UK police have done a remarkable job of identifying and thwarting these widespread electoral chicaneries...but for how much longer?

El said...

i understand that you're playing devil's advocate a bit here, baron, but let's put it slightly differently for a moment.

given the massive degree of hatred, disgust, and fear that has quite legitimately been directed at islam in the last few years, given further that this wave of revulsion continues to grow despite the pathetic efforts of political elites to convince us that islam is the religion of peace, and given yet further that islam is still in a massive numerical minority in all western european countries, how can we prevent the situation from simply degenerating into the butchering and ethnic cleansing of muslims back to the dar-al-islam?

our societies have pushed our tribal tendencies deep into the furthest recesses of our minds, at least in comparison with the representative foaming muslim nutjob, whose tribal ferocity is what prompts pathetic capitulation time and again when controversy arises. but if the jabbered threats of, say, 3% of the population in the UK can evoke such a cowering response from the authorities, what response will they generate when the other 97% starts letting it all hang out? the appeasement of muslims is not really based on political correctness or dreams of eurabia. it is based on fear of chaos. but chaos can and will come from more than one direction. there is one policeman in the UK for every 430 people, approximately. and they defecate bricks when the muslims growl even now. their ability to contain the violence of people convinced they are fighting for their survival will be very close to nil, should they even exist as a coherent force then.

irrespective of what we may, as individuals, think of the threat that islam poses europe, even skeptics such as gordon must get a very strong whiff of something dark and unpleasant gradually coming back to the surface among otherwise polite and placid people (that means us). though our flipping point, where rage turns into violence, is much higher than that of muslims (for which we should be thankful, otherwise our societies would resemble theirs), as people start to flip, as the expression of disgust at this totalitarian expansionism unleashed on us by our own 'leaders' becomes more frequent, environmental (i.e. social) inhibition of its growth is commensurately reduced as there are fewer inhibitors all the time.

thus we enter a positive feedback situation. call it an explosion, if you like, which is not so terribly different mathematically speaking. does anyone really fancy the chances of dutch muslims, say, in the long term? i think they have tough times ahead, very tough times.

by the way, the question of whether denmark would stand a chance against an islamized germany is an interesting one. a suddenly islamized germany, intact as a functioning state, would eat denmark alive thanks to its sheer bulk. but do we foresee, even in the most pessimistic scenario, a transition to muslim rule without massive damage being inflicted on the integrity, economy, and identity of the german state itself? without a descent into mob violence and all-out chaos? surely not, my friends. no clean transfer of power there. i strongly feel that events in the last couple of years have made it clear that the muslim carrying capacity of european countries without inevitable and unpreventable backlash is in the high single digits, perhaps the low teens for some unusually docile countries. let us be thankful it was not higher!

El Ingles

Sir Henry Morgan said...

CarnackiUK

You're not quite right - almost, but not quite. Read this (it's long but highly informative - and do note who published it). The newspaper article copied near the end is worth filing away.

http://tinyurl.com/67rrzr

Paul said...

What happened to European thinking that's lead to the present dismal situation in Europe?

Was it psychological trauma remaining after World War II? Was it fear of plummeting tax revenues due to population decline?

Is it the power of 'group mind' that permeates and dominates European Elites in Brussels?

The more significant question is, who or what formed the current EU group think? Could well be to participate in the EU, a person must think, speak and act in a way that is consistent with views of the EU bosses. No doubt that's true. The penalty for independent thought and voice is exclusion.

How predictable is human nature. We are suckers when it comes to trying to impress or please others to gain acceptance. The question remains, who is really in control??? And where did the prevailing EU group think come from.

As far as answering the question, 'how to bring about change?', I think we're past relying on existing constructs to effect electoral change. Sad to say those days are behind us.

What about the people? Let the people eat cake. Or in today's updated version, 'Let the people watch TV...'.

Dymphna said...

Sir Henry Morgan --

You're right: that was a most informative article. I didn't see the news article you mentioned as coming near the end...

...however, one item did stand out for me. I wondered how the "Asians" would get 'round a secret ballot when it came to their women. And now I know. With postal voting, the man of the house simply gets ballots for each member of the household and either fills them in himself or has the women vote as directed.

Very clever, these Asians. Very short-sighted, these politicians who dreamed up the "postal voting for life" option.

This reminds me very much of the Dems' legislation in the US to allow voter registration at the Division of Motor Vehicles. Everyone has to register their car, so why not have them register to vote while they're waiting.

Including the illegal Mexicans, of course...

Labour and the Dems are quite similar.

Natalie said...

Has anyone here read Mark Steyn's America Alone? This piece kind of reminded me of it.

Things aren't looking great for the West right now, but I think there still is hope. If people wake up to the threat soon, and we handle the problem of Islam effectively, Europe may not go Islamic.

It's hard to predict what will happen, though. Demographics, like birth rates and that stuff, is important, but there's much more to people than numbers, if you know what I mean. Our weaponry and military might is great, but so is the will of our enemy. And an important factor to consider is that we're divided and they are most certainly not.

Of course, if people continue to be in denial, we're in big trouble. I live in America, and the prevailing mentality over here about Europe seems to be, "Oh, those silly Europeans... but we're not Europe and we've got an ocean between us." I hate to tell you: if Europe goes Islamic, America will also fall to Islam. The distance between Europe and America won't protect us from nuclear weapons, period.

Baron Bodissey said...

El Ingles,

You're right about Denmark. If Kepiblanc or Rolf or Henrik shows up, I should think they will agree with you. Denmark will resist Islamization more than any other country, and it also has a formidable military.

I'm not only playing devil's advocate. What I'm doing is holding a lot of variables constant so as to concentrate on the effects of a few.

To make my arguments, I deliberately ignored:

1. The natural tribal/nationist emotions of the populations which stand to be replaced;

2. The severe degradation or collapse of the welfare state;

3. The possible intervention of outside powers in European affairs;

4. The near certainty of a major catastrophic incident -- a nuclear attack on Israel, the Chinese invasion of Taiwan, war between India and Pakistan, an enormous mass-casualty terrorist attack on the USA or another Western country -- that would change the calculus for all of the variables; and

5. The election of Barack Hussein Obama.

These variables are too complex to be modeled on a computer (at least not without the DoD budget & facilities), and even intuition struggles to calculate the effects of them all.

So I find it easier to concentrate on just one or a few, and hold the rest where they are, for the sake of argument.

But not all young European men are going either to convert or volunteer to lie down and die. The welfare state will not survive more than 15 years in its present form, if at all. Russia may well intervene in the Balkans. Mad Jad will do his best to nuke Israel.

And if B. Hussein gets elected, all bets are off.

What is "Occupation" said...

I see the following situation...

Africans/Turks/Pakis/Arabs/Islamists will start to compare themselves to the jews.. They will claim "Jew" status over any slight or anyone who questions their "differences"

With one small exception...

Europe treated it's Jews like crap and the jews were Artists, Bakers, Jewelers, Tailors, Business People. They did not behead the general european population, nor rape, nor riot and burn cars, create dangerous areas unsafe for outsiders. One does have to wonder what if?

What if the Jews of Europe were not snuffed out?

Some could look at this as karma....

But i see a samuel huntington's described war between culture...

The Arabs (et al) are no match for the historically brutal european culture.... Once Europeans wake up and have learned from what they did to the INNOCENT Jews and HOW the threat at their DOOR is not either JEWISH OR INNOCENT the streets will run with blood...

and I have no doubt it will be another 1000 years before arabic will be spoken in public again, except to scream for help..

They will overplay their hand, they will bite the ass of the most successful killing people in history...

EUROPEANS...

Its going to make kristalnaght a picnic

Whiskey said...

Baron, I think a naked, brutal power struggle with various Napoleons or Cromwells appearing fairly soon is the most likely scenario, and it will lead to various militia groups practicing ethnic-religious cleansing by terror as was in Bosnia and other places in the Balkans.

I base my (lamentable) conclusions (which I see in horror not joy) on the following:

1. Crime organizations WILL lose unlike native pols. Immigrants may slowly displace native pols, with not much resistance, but rest assured the Camorra, the Mafia, the Union Corse, and other native organized crime groups WILL object.

You don't expect these guys to work, now does anyone? Of course not. They NEED local neighborhoods populated by natives, not immigrants with their own crime groups. European organized crime groups will fight back with both "unofficial" and "official" action (many of the European security services are heavily influenced by the organized crime groups). Killing is a way of life for these men, so I expect this when they are pressed with either being poor and working for a living or killing their way out of problems.

2. Young European men are in competition with immigrant men for women. I sadly expect counter-rapes to occur, AS IT DID IN THE BALKANS, and for that point of violence to spread ever-outwards. Why not? There can be only one woman for one man, Muslims constructing harems puts terrible pressure and guarantees conflict over the remaining women. Recall Pitcairn Island? When Fletcher Christian arrived there with the six Tahitian men (who he promptly enslaved), the eleven Tahitian women, and the nine mutineers, the predictable result is that all the men but one slaughtered each other. Christian was shot by his fellow mutineers when he was spotted alone with his pregnant wife.

3. Muslims over-playing their hand, by moving too soon with terrorism-jihad designed to install Sharia nation-wide. It's quite likely. Of course the elites would fold like wet noodles, but ambitious young military men would see that as time to "save the nation" and well, run the country themselves? Who better? One result of budget cuts is that the hollowed out militaries of the EU are so small that Colonels and the like probably know every officer in the Army. And likely many in the Air Forces. A coup is much easier with a smaller military, as West Africa (which is plagued with them) attests.

4. As noted, collapse of the Welfare State as rising energy prices cause a global recession, and/or a nuclear shipping container attack ends trans-pacific and trans-atlantic trade as we know it. Without welfare money to grease things, naked power grabs are likely and people WILL turn to a military leader to sort things out. Particularly if there is no money to pay riot police and security services aka "secret police." Do not of course underestimate criminal organizations in this matter -- THEY will have money, still, and the means even to install their own in power, if they but seize the opportunity.

Much of Europe lives in a dream world. Where nothing bad can EVER happen, well just because. I do not think we will see concentration camps and the like, but do think the experience of the Balkans is likely to play out at large in Europe, but without the US as Muslim protector.

PapaBear said...

During the collapse of the Roman Empire, feudalism arose. Peasant farmers need a stable environment where they are assured of retaining enough of the products of their labor that they could survive and feed their children. The only places where this was the case, were those areas under the protection of a local baron or knight.

And what was a baron? Somebody who was willing to kill in order to protect the people working in his area, and who provided leadership to other proficient killers.

We will eventually see a resurgence of the barons.

Dymphna said...

@Natalie:
Has anyone here read Mark Steyn's America Alone? This piece kind of reminded me of it.

Having read the book I agree, though I think Steyn held an even more dystopian view of things. And given what has transpired in Canada, I am sure his outlook is even more so.

He has put his blog in hibernation while he works on "projects" he was forced to put off because of the court bullying. I can't imagine what that experience will do to his writing.

Charlemagne said...

Gordon,

I have to strongly disagree with your assertion that the EU is the solution rather than the problem. The Founders of the US purposely designed our system of government such the federal government was weak relative to the states and had very limited but well defined powers. Over time this proper balance of power has been corrupted for many reasons all of which I'm sure you're aware. At the same time increased power has been assumed by the Federal government we as citizens have had a reduced ability to affect the nation's direction. It takes a huge amount of cash to get a voice on Capitol Hill because so few represent so many and it takes cash to have a voice. Local power however is far more accountable to a larger number of voices per elected official and thus it is far easier to influence local governments. For example look at the large number of laws enacted against illegal immigrants at the state and local level while the Fed dithers while caught up in the vise of opposing special interest groups. Localization atomizes the power of the special interests fighting against the citizenry. The Democrats, IMO, would be much less of a potent force if we had more decisions being made at the state level. California for example would be free to drive itself off a cliff without trying to take the rest of us along for the ride. Gay marriage, CO2 regulation, extreme environmentalism, etc. It isn't Alaskans preventing drilling in Alsaka, it is latte Liberals in SF!

So again I have to disagree.

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Zenster said...

The conclusion was obvious: absent a change of course, Europe will become a Muslim continent by the year X. The only question is whether X will be 2040, or 2100, or somewhere in between.

I continue to maintain that—be it 2040 or 2100—neither date will be reached without there already having been some major upheaval in Europe, if not around the world, specifically the MME (Muslim Middle East). Mind you, “upheaval” is the most diplomatic term I can summon forth.

El Inglés: given the massive degree of hatred, disgust, and fear that has quite legitimately been directed at islam in the last few years, given further that this wave of revulsion continues to grow despite the pathetic efforts of political elites to convince us that islam is the religion of peace, and given yet further that islam is still in a massive numerical minority in all western european countries, how can we prevent the situation from simply degenerating into the butchering and ethnic cleansing of muslims back to the dar-al-islam?

This is the “upheaval” I’m referring to. With a regularity and illogic that are equally astonishing, Muslims routinely push the envelope so far ahead of schedule (i.e., at the 3% - 8% population level), that they leave themselves hopelessly outnumbered. Thank goodness for small blessings, because even unarmed and psychologically demoralized Europeans are likely to overcome whatever post World War scruples they possess and begin scrubbing this alien parasite from their midst.

El Inglés: … our flipping point, where rage turns into violence, is much higher than that of muslims (for which we should be thankful, otherwise our societies would resemble theirs), as people start to flip, as the expression of disgust at this totalitarian expansionism unleashed on us by our own 'leaders' becomes more frequent, environmental (i.e. social) inhibition of its growth is commensurately reduced as there are fewer inhibitors all the time.

That “flipping point” can also be called a “tipping point”. There is an extremely simple sequence to describe the fulcrum of this equation. It is when:

Living with Muslims becomes more trouble than living without them.

Every single day, Muslims around the world push Infidels ever closer to this tipping point. It remains impossible to believe that Islam is wholly unaware of this fact, elsewise Muslims would be advised by their clergy to back off of their constant predatory behavior. Nothing could be farther from reality and it serves to indicate that the tipping point will arrive long before 2040 or 2100.

Natalie: It's hard to predict what will happen, though. Demographics, like birth rates and that stuff, is important, but there's much more to people than numbers, if you know what I mean.

I do know what you mean and there most certainly is, “more to people than numbers”. Especially so in the case of Muslims. Take a quick look that this map. A quick look at the link will show you just how prevalent the practice of consanguineous marriage is in the MME.

By now, I’m confident that most people reading this are more than aware of Islam’s penchant for outright defiance of natural law. Be it their blithering disregard for Cause and Effect or a near-congenital predisposition for cognitive dissonance, Muslims have clearly taken the bit between their teeth when it comes to butting heads with natural selection.

I’ve asked the Baron to please consider posting about this aspect of Muslim culture and I’ll just point out some simple but astonishingly vivid statistics regarding Muslim predeliction for intermarriage between cousins.

The hospital, which services a community with a large Pakistani population, reports an unusually high rate of inherited gene disorders. Researchers estimate the rate of birth defects is 10 times higher than in the general population, said spokeswoman Leanne Wilson in a statement.

Seven of the 10 countries with the highest birth defect rates are Muslim nations with a tradition of intermarriage of blood relatives, accounting for at last 20 percent of deformities there.

Its kind of hard to take over the world with degenerative nerve disorders, shrunken heads, learning disabilities, deafness and spina bifida dogging you every step of the way.

What is "Occupation" : I see the following situation... Africans/Turks/Pakis/Arabs/Islamists will start to compare themselves to the jews.. They will claim "Jew" status over any slight or anyone who questions their "differences"

Too late. They already have and the Politically Correct loons are buying into it like Florida real estate.

viske68 said...

I agree completely with you all, except on one point.
You are always talking and discussing the situation of islam in Europe, and indeed it becomes very dangerous. But don't you ever think that islam will come into America?
Just look at the news, though I know he's lying, that Khadaffi is congratulating Obama as hopefully the first muslim president of the USA. And that's also what the other arab nations think. I heard Khadaffi speaking this words to Obama as his muslim brother. This proves that muslims are also only waiting to take over America. And you can be sure of one thing, if Europe falls for islam, America will never be able to oppose to a whole muslim world

Graham Dawson (Archonix) said...

I shall be brief.

Gordon, to claim that the EU isn't the problem and that the national governments are is to ignore the historical fact that the reason for the EU's creation was precisely to make governments unaccountable to their electorates, in order to take decision-making powers out of the hands of those electorates, by repudiating the national legislatures ability. The venal nature of our national politicians has grown up alongside the increases in power of the European Union's central government.

You make the constant mistake of assuming that the Eu was created to try and produce a federal state similar to the US and you keep buying into the lie that it was created to promote peace and cooperation. The EU was created to take the ability to make decisions out of the hands of the people. It was created to prevent the ability to wage war and the mindset behind that activity, that the ability to wage war is a de facto intent to wage war, is precisely why we are in the situation we now find ourselves.

A political union of the sort you seem to be fantasising about is not, in any way, the solution to this problem simply because the means to bring about that political union are by necessity going to involve so much compromise and so much deceit to get all parties around the same table, and are as a result going to produce so many uselessly watered down "policies" to satisfy all members, that it would not be able to defence itself from a flea, let alone the massed barbarian hordes.

I shall repeat it. The mindset that created the EU is the mindset that brought us to this point in history, it is the idea that the individual cannot defend himself, the idea that individual nations are incapable of cooperating without being forced to. It is collectivism hiding behind a nice name. Islam is collectivism. Islam, or some other equally barbaric state, is our destination if we continue to suffer the lie, that subsuming our ability to operate independently for the "common good", that removing the ability for nations to defend their borders, that accepting enforced political union with disparate and opposing cultures is somehow the only solution to the problem that collectivism itself has brought up on us.

The mindset that you yourself propose, of union, would bring about precisely what we face now. That mindset would ultimate force us into a political and economic union with the muslim states in order to prevent the ability to wage war. After all, without borers, how can war be waged? When we're all in the same huge, interdependent collective, how can we fight?

Dymphna said...

@viske

You are always talking and discussing the situation of islam in Europe, and indeed it becomes very dangerous. But don't you ever think that islam will come into America?

Say what???

How long have you been reading GoV? We started out talking about the Saudi problem in the US and we continue to do so.

Recently, there was this.

And we have an on-going series about Jamaat ul Fuqra. I suggest you look on the side bar and reading the series. That could take a few hours to bring you up to snuff on the danger American-born Islamists post to the US...

Maybe there is a compound close to where you live? They've been here for more than 20 years and they are home-grown American felons who happen to be followers recruited by a terrorist in Pakistan who was implicated in the Daniel Pearl murder.

There are about ninety-two posts on GoV just on this one threat alone to the US...and a serious, established threat it is.

We started documenting this phenomenon in 2005

Or...you can peruse about four hundred posts that deal with the Islamic threat in America, many of them observations on the Muslim scene in the US and Canada...

here's a commenter on the post, The Enemy Within, Part One (look on the sidebar), that sums up the situation:

if the people of the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe are, to varying degrees, dulled and enervated as to the very real menace at or within our gates, it is because our refinement with respect to our religious heritage and the history of the spread of Islam are sorely lacking..

How about the Muslim Brotherhood in Virginia? Is that American enough for you?

They have infiltrated DoD, CIA, etc., ad nauseam. Little Barry Obama is the least of our worries since the really smart ones have moved in and set up shop across the spectrum of our national government.

Go forth and read, viske. Then question our interest in the Muslim takeover of American government, etc. We've covered that, and will do so again. And again. And again.

Until they come for the blogs, anyway.

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Afonso Henriques said...

"In twenty or thirty years’ time the transition will have passed the point of no return."

Get real!!!

That will only mean one thing: Civil War.

This is not America, where whites gradually vanish from the picture and then a indigenous/socialist/black government arouses.

Here the trend is quiet the opposite. We, Europeans are the majority. We control - if not the cities - the villages and the fields... We have Russia and Eastern Europe as well...

It will not mean "Conquest", it will mean A WAR MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAN THAT OF YUGOSLAVIA, the paralels are so evident, lifes lost in name of Multiculturalism, girls (white, that is) raped in name of leftism / lack of Nationalism (from the society and the girls themself). As Fjordman said, the important is to know if you Americans will attack the Racist French, Brittish, German and Italians as you did with the Serbs...

Baron Bodissey said...

viske68 --

You must not be a long-time reader here, because one of our recurring themes is that the fate of Europe is crucial to that of the USA. Things that happen in Europe will happen here; they just happen in Europe first.

See this post from last year for a general summary of what we're trying to do.

Europe is better off than we are, because more Europeans have woken up to the danger than in the USA. We're preoccupied with Mexicans, assuming that we pay any attention to the immigration issue at all.

In the long run, the United States will probably back the Muslims in Europe against the indigenous European "fascists", when push comes to shove. It distresses me greatly to say this, but it seems likely, given what happened with Kosovo and Bosnia, and the severe arm-twisting by the USA trying to get Turkey into the EU.

The political classes in the USA are so bought and paid for by the Saudis, and the general public so unaware, that trouble when it comes to us will be very deadly. By that point the Emir of France will likely be in control of French nuclear weapons, so that our options will be that much more constrained than they are now.

We're being fools, but I don't see any way of changing the situation.

Afonso Henriques said...

Talking about prisions and prisioners...

The Portuguese prisions are composed of:

54% people of African origin;
25% people of Latin American origin.

Meanwhile, regardless of origin, 85% of the total prision population has Portuguese Nationality and as so are considered Portuguese by the government in every concern, except in what is related to "discrimination".

Baron Bodissey said...

Will --

Please don't paste long URLs into the comments; they make the post page too wide and mess up the appearance of the permalink page.

Use link tags; the instructions are at the top of the full post's comment section.

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Will said...

NY Post editorial

an interesting acknowledgement.

Afonso Henriques said...

"The pattern is everywhere remarkably similar, considering that the Muslim immigrants in each of these nations come from different countries, and even different continents.
Crime, arson, rioting, rape, honor-killings, and general lawlessness accompany the immigrants wherever they choose to settle."

"Muslim"
"Crime, arson, rioting, rape, honor-killings, and general lawlessness accompany the immigrants wherever they choose to settle."

Well, Baron, can you so please explain me why do Africans, some Brazilians (usually known as "Hispanics" in the U.S.A.), as well as "Latin Americans" usually behave like this?

And why, if we forget the rapes, we can include gypsies?

I understand that islam has already a political goal, and islamics act according to their political goal.
But, why do the other ethnics behave the same if there is no goal behinde it what so ever?

Can you please explain me why are the muslims so worse than other minorities that behave like them?

P.S.- Please, don't give me personal examples because the only muslim I know is gay and coward and any good muslim would kill him.

Baron Bodissey said...

Afonso --

Your comments are becoming quite annoying.

As you know, our mission here concerns Islamization.

Also, we all know that you don't like that.

That's OK; you're entitled to your opinion.

But why not open up your own blog and post your opinion there, rather than leave rambling, incoherent, and incredibly long comments here?

Dymphna's right -- 500 words is plenty for most comments, 1,000 to be generous.

When two people are flaming each other at length, only the flamers actually read the comments -- the rest of us scroll past all the bumf in annoyance.

As for the fact that Europeans will resort to ethnic cleansing rather than allow the Muslim takeover, all I can say is:

WELL, DUH!

I know that! Try reading what I wrote, instead of grabbing a few words out of context and then jumping around like a crazed kangaroo.

Really, this is getting to be too much.

Afonso Henriques said...

"Russia may well intervene in the Balkans. Mad Jad will do his best to nuke Israel."

Let's hope the Slavic bear to reunite with Belarus, and at least Eastern Ukraine...

When you get an Eastern Ukranian looking to a Western Ukranian and saying: "Wow... that one is really a Ukranian (Pole? European?), those people do not function properly..." You know that Ukraine does not have a future.

If only the U.S. would slow a bit with all its imperialism...

Zenster said...

Baron: In the long run, the United States will probably back the Muslims in Europe against the indigenous European "fascists", when push comes to shove.

I can only hope that America's military will mutiny first before they take up arms against indigenous Europeans who seek to repulse their Muslim invaders. Far too many of our soldiers are of European descent whereby they will mindlessly charge into battle for the sake of protecting those who cheered the 9-11 atrocity, bombed the Beirut Marine barracks, attacked the USS Cole and sought their deaths all around this entire world.

While our politicians may have the collective attention span of a fruit fly, our military has a very powerful and lingering institutional memory.

By that point the Emir of France will likely be in control of French nuclear weapons, so that our options will be that much more constrained than they are now.

I can only hope that a few spec officers in the the French military retain sufficient residual loyalty to cripple those warheads and launch vehicles.

Any country in Europe that voluntarily surrenders its nuclear arsenal into Muslim hands should pay the ultimate price.

Brazentide said...

Zenster: "Its kind of hard to take over the world with degenerative nerve disorders, shrunken heads, learning disabilities, deafness and spina bifida dogging you every step of the way."

In Iraq and Palestine, the Jihadists just strap C4 on their poor disabled kids and use them as human 'smart bombs'.

Its barbarism at its worst...

Zeke said...

First lets revive Oi!

Doc Martin boots shined and laced? Check. Head freshly shaved? Check. Suspenders clean? Check.

Well then: Time to go for a walk with the lads, eh? Time to drink some lagers! Time to reclaim the streets from the invaders, eh?

Oi Oi Oi!

I'm sure the European boys can out hooligan any group of immigrants.

I believe a lot of this can be fixed by making these people very uncomfortable.

(This is what the anti-Mexican-invasion activists do through many different means (mostly leagal) in the USA. Filming them at their day labor centers, watching them at the border, etc.)

Because Europe is controlled by PC sheep the work of discouragement needs to be taken up by youth.

Oi! Oi! Oi!

Afonso Henriques said...

"Any country in Europe that voluntarily surrenders its nuclear arsenal into Muslim hands should pay the ultimate price."

Indeed. I think someone should organise a petition to disarm France.

I do think France's nuclear weapons pose a danger to World Security and as so Franch shall do disarmed. Fast!

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Mensage recieved Baron. Sorry...

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"I'm sure the European boys can out hooligan any group of immigrants."

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Zeke,
"I'm sure the European boys can out hooligan any group of immigrants."

As I think you've noticed, not as long as we have our Playstations...

Natalie said...

Thanks for posting that map, Zenster - it was interesting.

Dymphna, I agree with you about America Alone. Steyn definitely was way more pessimistic about the situation, which was one thing that bothered me about the book. It seemed to me that he acted like all is lost already just because the West has a low birth rate. But despite my differences with his view, I'd definitely recommend the book - I actually think everyone should read it.

The current situation the world is in is interesting and certainly won't continue in the same manner for long. I still think a civil war is coming to Europe, and it's not going to be pretty to say the least.

pasta said...

I would like to use this opportunity to express my deep gratitude to all Americans supporting us Europeans in this struggle, even though I am not convinced that, as a whole, we really deserve it. There is a tendency on this blog to deflect the blame from us Europeans and blame other forces instead, like the political establishment of the EU or the US government. There is a bit of truth in it, but let's not forget that in most countries the native European populations still vote overwhelmingly in favor of mass immigration and Islamization, even by the year 2008. As I had expected some showing of resistance much sooner in this process, which, for the most part, did not occur, I have become pessimistic for it to ever happen at all. My own country, Germany, has been a complete failure in our struggle, being unable even to make a political party opposed to Islamization gain more than just an extremely tiny percentage of all votes. Many people over here do bitch about it but by no means can be brought not to elect the same political establishment, which leads them into disaster, again and again. Furthermore, within the 6 years during which I engaged into political discussions with fellow Germans, I heard many of them state openly that indeed they have no objections whatsoever about their nation dying out and their land being taken over by other peoples.

Whenever you happen to discuss Europe's long-term future with a European, it might be a good idea to remind them, that they have a duty to support those, who fight for them, in the voting booth. That's the very least they can do and, in spite of trying hard, I am unable to come up with any excuse whatsoever for not doing it.

One last thing: The case of Switzerland shows that even a country, which is not part of the EU and has direct democracy, allows mass immigration to happen, with provensupport by the majority of voters, as expressed in referendums. Beginning with the Schwarzenbach-initiatives from 1970 onwards, the decision about mass immigration has been put explicitly to popular vote many times until today and a majority of the Swiss expressed their consent with it. Of course being in the minority makes me no less dedicated to our cause, I say this in order to prevent people not well acquainted with the mindset of the European populace from getting unrealistic expectations.

@Afonso:

Last time I forgot to correct your erroneous speculation that I am Italian. My nickname might seem to indicate so but in fact I am a (native) German.

PPV said...

The Islamic conquest will fail for 2 reasons :

1) Once the 1st or 2nd country falls(Netherlands, Belgium or Sweeden), the rest of Europe will wake up, and will take action. Severe action.

or

2) The day will come when Islamists get hold of one or more nukes or CBM devices. They will make the mistake of using them, and our western economies will go into depression. If as little as 2 or 3 major Euro/US cities are hit, we will all become as poor as we were in the 1930s. We wont need their immigrant labour any longer. And we wont need much of their oil because our economies will be in ruin.

Unfortuantely, both scenarios for our eventual victory, require terrible things to happen.

Natalie said...

I'm glad you're so convinced that we won't go Islamic, PPV. I personally think the second scenario is more likely, but I see it a bit differently. I think if the Islamic world gets nuclear weapons and uses them against us, we will wake up and take action. Nevertheless, loads of people will die, which is very unfortunate because if we took action now, I think we could win with minimal losses.

Robert Marchenoir said...

I have a question which may be naïve, but I'm really wondering. Why would Americans side with Muslims in Europe?

Kissinger is supposed to have said: obviously Europeans would be opposed to Turkey's entry in the EU, and obviously Americans would support it.

I'm aware of Baron's claim of the American political elite being bought off by Saudis.

I still don't get it.

One popular conception here in France is that the US would do that in order to weaken Europe. Maybe. But what would America gain if it got an Islamic continent instead of a moderately socialist one? And nukes were still there?

How prevalent is this multi-culti religion within the general population (not the intelligentsia), when it comes to casting one's vote?

Graham Dawson (Archonix) said...

Nevertheless, loads of people will die, which is very unfortunate because if we took action now, I think we could win with minimal losses.

There were so many points during the run-up to WW2 where, if someone had said "enough and no further" we could have stopped the whole mess in its tracks before it even got started. The British Expeditionary Force in France could have copied the German lightning strike tactic and cut off the german supply lines, and possibly even have been in berlin in under a month. Instead, they retreated through lack of confidence and leadership. Or, we could have asserted support for national integrity, told Hitler to f--- off and stopped him taking the sudetenland, or any number of other events, but instead the reliance was on the idea of a group hug and lets all give the nice mr hitler what he wants. Which was, incidentally, a European union under German leadership... sounds familiar. Hey ho.

The point we're at now is very similar, I feel, but we're once again weakend by a lack of will and a strange desire to see everything in terms of appeasement and collective decision making - where nobody can be made to take the blame if things go wrong.

Natalie said...

Graham, I couldn't agree with you more.

Baron Bodissey said...

Robert Marchenoir --

The problem with American foreign policy is a lethal combination of naïveté and realpolitik. We try to play the part of a great power, the Kissingerian/Bismarckian game, but operating with an appalling lack of knowledge and understanding about what we're dealing with.

At the lower levels of our establishment there are probably many corrupt functionaries and cynics who game the system and manipulate their superiors, but at the top are people who really believe they are engaging in geostrategic thinking, only they're idiots at what they do.

They really think that liberating Kosovo was not only the right thing to do, but also was in the interests of the United States. They really think that can cut a useful deal with North Korea.

What hogwash!

They think, "Hey, Turkey's in NATO, so it ought to be in the EU!" So then they push real hard to get it in.

Add in the massive corruption spread by Saudi money at the lower and middle levels of the government (and occasionally at the upper levels), and you have the toxic mix we all know today.

Arrogance, ignorance, and corruption. It will make us extremely sorry in the not-so-distant future.

The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon said...

I agree with those that state Europe shouldn't rely on the U.S. to save its bacon. That is because Europe and the U.S. have differing interests in the world. To expect otherwise is to be pollyannish.

And I see that our dear Baron is throwing around his usual nonsensical comments about the presumptive next President of the United States. Europeans should not worry - Barack Hussein Obama is not a closet Muslim and, being more idealistic, is actually more likely than his opponent to support Europe and not "throw it under the bus," to use a newly popular term. For those of our European friends who may not be aware of it, Barack Hussein Obama has devoted a website to fighting the lies told about him and propagated, perhaps even by the Baron and Dymphna: Fight the Smears.

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Natalie said...

I'm sorry, but I'm going to be very blunt here: Anyone who does not see the dangers that Barack Hussein Obama poses to this country is a blithering idiot.

Obama is supported by the terrorists - they have endorsed him. And he seems awfully like a "closet Muslim" to me - he has NEVER publicly renounced Islam, nor do the Muslims call for his death because of apostasy. He is anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. And what about that business with Reverend Wright? That proves Obama is a liar as well.

Anyone who thinks that those who write about how bad Obama would be as President are "nonsensical" is very deluded.

The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon said...

Well, I'll be blunt back, Natalie.

There may be many reasons to oppose Barack Obama - for example, if you are unalterably opposed to any form of universal health coverage, or you support our troops remaining in Iraq for "up to 50 years," or you support drilling for oil in the Alaskan Arctic, etc.

But opposing him because he "seems awfully like a closet Muslim" is just plain idiotic. Claims that he is anti-Israel, or anti-semitic, are similarly devoid of any factual support. Such claims are the last refuge of scoundrels desperate to continue their greedy, grasping hold on power in Washington. And the fools like you, Natalie, who buy into their lies.

Robert Marchenoir said...

Well, Baron, if you're right, this is staggering.

On second thoughts, however, why should America be deprived of the human right to behave like an idiot?

Europe does the same.

I mean, by now, it's obvious the multi-culti craze is on a collision course with our civilization's fundamentals. Not to mention such trifles as economics, foreign policy or domestic security.

And we're on the front line. We're the ones living next to, or within, the occupied territories. So we should know better. But most of our politicians, intellectuals and journalists still don't care. Or pretend they don't.

So why should we expect the United States to be so much more clever than we are?

Natalie said...

Obama has ties with anti-Israel/anti-Semitic people. And if you doubt that he once practiced Islam, read this. Logically, if he once practiced Islam and has never officially left it, he must still be a Muslim.

If this doesn't bother you, what about the fact that he lies? This was evidenced by the Reverend Wright issue - there's no way Obama didn't know what Wright preached.

By the way everyone, I finally got banned at LGF (surprise surprise). I just posted the whole story on my blog if anyone wants to read it.

Dymphna said...

@nodrog:

For those of our European friends who may not be aware of it, Barack Hussein Obama has devoted a website to fighting the lies told about him and propagated, perhaps even by the Baron and Dymphna

Really, Gordon...get a life. Where have we done anything about Barry --oh,sorry -- *Barack* Obama except to mention him in passing? You won't find one post devoted to B.O.

See, Barry makes himself up as he goes along. He re-invents who he is...and that fact has filtered down even to me. I try to avoid reading about him at all and yet by osmosis one is exposed to him relentlessly.

In addition to "fighting the smears" that Barry Obama is forced to do, there are websites devoted to his daily flip-flopping on issues. No, I don't read those, either.

This guy has no experience at anything but being a "community organizer." Executive experience? Zilch. Understanding of economics? About on a par with the rest of the pols in DC. Political philosophy? Drawn right out of Saul Alinsky's dated, superficial ideas about "change."

BTW, I want no part of universal health care. It's a boondoggle waiting to swallow our economy. It will work just about as well as our welfare does, and just as efficiently.

Government programs are a waste of time, money, and energy that could be devoted to keeping our house in order...

Boy, I just can't wait to have the British and Canadian health system. Then where will *we* go to get decent medical treatment? Mexico?

A third of Canadian doctors have settled here or attempted to. It's not the money, it's the autonomy to practice good medicine -- an autonomy that is universally missing in universal health care.

Just what we need: a two-tier health system just like our two-tier justice system...

But, Gordon, you'll have to wait until after the Dem convention before we post on the doings of Barry and Michelle. Until then, we won't be sucked into the 24/7 coverage of B&M.

Notice that we also don't post on their opponent, either.

Zenster said...

Brazentide: In Iraq and Palestine, the Jihadists just strap C4 on their poor disabled kids and use them as human 'smart bombs'.

The worldwide rate of serious birth defects runs about 5%. If Muslims have a rate that is an order of magnitude greater, then nearly half of Islamic children are born with some sort of defect. While, clearly this is not the case, there is still a strong suspicion that the number of defective Muslim offspring is quite large.

My own personal speculation is that future investigations will uncover some sort of direct connection between Muslim inbreeding and a genetic predisposition for the ready initiation of violence, susceptibility to suggestion, acute insecurity and obsessive compulsive traits with respect to group behavior.

Its barbarism at its worst...

Of that there can be no doubt. One of the most damning indictments against Islam, or any culture for that matter, is how it devours its young.

Natalie: Thanks for posting that map, Zenster - it was interesting.

You are most welcome. Please know that I spent an hour searching in vain for a similar map of gobal birth defect rates. I suspect that there would be a significant commonality between them if they were overlaid.

As a similar comparison exercise, I invite people to please compare the maps of:

Transparency International's 2006 Corruption Perceptions Index

and ...

Consanguineous Marriage

Please note the near-perfect correspondence between, Islam, consanguineous marriage (ergo, birth defects) and significant levels of corruption.

As they say about there being 24 bottles of beer in a case and 24 hours in a day: Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!!

pasta: My own country, Germany, has been a complete failure in our struggle, being unable even to make a political party opposed to Islamization gain more than just an extremely tiny percentage of all votes.

Please feel free to elaborate about whether this may be a lingering after-effect of Germany's collective guilt complex over the Holocaust. While there should rightly be a significant aversion to any unjust prosecution of an innocent minority, Muslims hardly qualify for such unmerited immunity.

We've already seen a terrorist attack designed to derail high-speed trains in your country. Islamic cells that plotted the 9-11 atrocity were based out of Germany. Have the German people become a collective example of Alex de Large—from "A Clockwork Orange"—in being so re-programmed against any collective violence that they now are unable to defend themselves against so obvious a threat as Islam?

PPV: Unfortuantely, both scenarios for our eventual victory, require terrible things to happen.

Which is why I continue challenging what passes as supposedly conventional “wisdom” that still maintains it is unreasonable to impose fairly harsh penalties upon the MME (Muslim Middle East), solely due to some sense of wholly unwarranted restraint. Islam has declared war upon the West. It did so at its inception. Any recent reitteration of same should merely serve to reinforce that perception instead of being some sort of alarming wakeup call.

Better that Islam be crushed like the cockroach it is than Western nations suffer the loss of even a single major city. A simple question: Isn’t the body of Islam’s recent contributions to our modern world entirely outweighed by the repository of knowledge and culture that can be found in any given major Western metropolis?

America’s Smithsonion Institution contains more examples of magnificent human achievement than any Muslim majority nation can field on its best day. The Louvre boasts a finer collection of masterful artworks than any Islamic country can offer up with a year’s prior notice. The tiny Vatican alone holds in its archives and collections a hoard of historical knowledge and art that Islam can only exceed in measure by its own destruction of same.

How is it that we are supposed to get all titty-fingered about smacking down Islam like the ideological and spiritual vermin it is?

Robert Marchenoir: … what would America gain if it got an Islamic [European] continent instead of a moderately socialist one? And nukes were still there?

The Baron’s assertions notwithstanding, I concur that this question needs much more detailed examination.

archonix: … where nobody can be made to take the blame if things go wrong.

It is a rather simple and nasty fact of life that people forced to endure the ill-informed decisions of those who precipitate calamities upon them typically take such decision-makers to task in a host of undesirable ways. Blame, harsh though it may be, all too often manages to thread its way through even the most determined obstacles or excuses.

Natalie: I'm sorry, but I'm going to be very blunt here: Anyone who does not see the dangers that Barack Hussein Obama poses to this country is a blithering idiot.

You have nothing to be sorry for. Quite possibly, Obama is not so dangerous for what he is, but for what he is NOT.

He is not truthful.

He is not consistent.

He is not patriotic.

He is not determined to defeat America’s enemies.

He is not worthy of cleaning the Oval Office much less sitting in it.

HE MAY NOT EVEN BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN! (scroll down)

Obama’s position on every single issue of importance is so equivocal and tenuous that only the most gullible could possibly attach themselves to such an insubstantial platform.

Consul-At-Arms said...

I've quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/07/re-demographic-conquest.html

laine said...

Well, the poster formerly known as Gordon has just exposed himself as an ideologic (marxist) shill for Obama, trotting out all the usual canards:

America in Iraq for 50 years: McCain's quote was a 100 years if necessary and as every HONEST person can tell you, the context was as America is still in Germany and Japan (63 years) and South Korea (55 years),not fighting an active war as Gordon and other fools or liars imply.

drilling in ANWR:
as though it were a bad thing to drill in an area the size of a postage stamp on a football field and thereby make America more energy self-sufficient and less at the whim of the Saudis and Chavez. This is a case of the environuts holding sway with their usual scare tactics over people who should know better.

Gordon thinks a universal health care system is an inarguable good. Perhaps a Canadian judge said it best in a recent court case: "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care".

And the EU is the cure for Islamization of Europe the way a machete is the cure for a gaping chest wound.

Obama is an idealist!?! He's a Chicago no holds barred corrupted from the get go pure politician with no accomplishments and no talent except demagoguery and enough fashionable pigment to make him salable to those who want to bask in the perfume of their own tolerance. He has thrown under the bus the grandmother who raised him, his pastor and mentor who was like a father to him, his public financing pledge, and will do the same with anything else necessary to get himself into the White House.

As for being Muslim: His father was Muslim. His stepfather was Muslim. He attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia with religious instruction and can still recite Koranic passages in perfect Arabic. Although he joined a black supremacist nominally Christian church for political gain in Chicago, by Islamic rules, that could make him an apostate but Islamic leaders are choosing to call him one of their own instead of threatening his life. So he is technically and functionally Muslim. He may well be a Manchurian candidate who will declare his "reversion" to Islam after he's POTUS if the USA is so foolish as to elect him. First he'll institute his economy wrecking program for the country he and his wife denigrate and hate - the United States.

Smear Obama? There's no need to smear him. The man consorts with unrepentant communist bomber ex-cons. He won his senatorship with the support of the Daley Democratic Chicago machine when his opponent's divorce records were conveniently and illegally leaked. He made a fishy deal over his Chicago mansion with a fixer Rezko who's convicted on federal corruption charges etc. etc.

Gordon should go elsewhere with his bumpf. It just looks pathetic here.

As for the original topic of the thread, although the theories are impressively thought out many are predicated on a tough European who no longer exists or in too small numbers to make a difference, like the elusive "moderate Muslim". We have someone who actually lives there, Pasta, who sounds like a credible observer and one of the vanishing breed.

Believe him when he quotes his fellow Germans as saying they don't mind the take over of their country and culture. They either can't be bothered to learn about real Islam or calculate that they'll just escape the deluge. They either don't have children or are cavalier about their future.

This is the result of decades of socialism. It's like a poisonous greed and narcissism intravenous drip drip dripping into one's veins.

The proof as Pasta sadly points out is in their continued voting for mass Muslim immigration (knowing they're disproportionately welfare parasites, so they're not getting any bedpan emptiers) and shunning of any anti-immigration party. It would take no bravery as in Iraq or Zimbabwe to vote in a secret ballot against immigration by colonists and yet they do not take even this most elementary step for their own cultural and possibly physical survival.

They are the lotus eaters. The ones with any get up and go are getting up and leaving.

Arius said...

From Phyllis Chesler at Chester Chronicles: "My friend and colleague, the scholar Bat Ye’or told me that if Obama is elected, America will become dhimmified even faster than Europe."

viske68 said...

Sorry if I offended you Baron or Dymphna. Indeed I'm a rather recent reader of GOV, and I'm a great admirer of this site. I only wrote these words since I've seen the situation in Europe worsening every day and I didn't know if You in America already understood the danger of it since you do'nt live the same situation. You certainly convinced that you did. Im'used talking to people who don't want to understand that the situation in their own country is dangerous also, they keep thinking that they will be safe and that their neighbours are the one in danger. So my words were not intended as a critic to you but only as a try to help understanding our situation in Europa.

Duchess Of Austin said...

I have to take issue with Gordon's opinions regarding Europe and his obvious affection for this phenominal fraud known as Barak Obama. I've been a lurker on this blog for quite some time and I love your work.

First off, let me say that most Americans are sick of the Euros whining that we are imperialists, while we (American tax payers) foot the bill for most of their military. I play a well known video game where I come into contact with Europeans on a regular basis and when the talk turns to politics, they are woefully ignorant of what actually goes on here, and some have even called me a liar because my experiences as an American do not fit their preconceived notions, promulgated by your own European leftist press.

I'm a pretty average American and as far as I'm concerned, we could do what Ron Paul suggests and remove all of our military facilities from Europe and leave the EU to their own devices, but that would mean huge expenditures to put all that stuff back when the Euros come begging us to join them in crushing the Islamists once they realize that their multi-cultural, socialist stupidity didn't work, yet again.

The thing about liberals and socialists is that they seem to think that their policies, proven to be losers by reems of historical documents and wars fought over them, will work THIS time because the present folks in charge will implement them RIGHT. Better...whatever.

As for Barak Obama...painting him as the Muslim Manchurian Candidate is disingenuous and dangerous. He's no more religious than most socialists...some of whom pay lip service to going to church to hedge their bets in case God does exist...but, I'm more inclined to think that Obama believes more in the Marxist tenet that religion (of any stripe) is the opiate of the gun toting, bitter, unwashed proletariate masses. In other words, he joined TUCCC more for the community and black bona fides than a true committment to God.

I have faith in average Americans, who can smell a fraud a mile away, not falling for this pernicious fraud, clothed in the grand but empty rhetoric of the left. You see, the one thing middle Americans have, in abundance, that the liberals and socialists don't is common sense. Compound that with the strategy on the part of the guilty white libs among us to accuse anybody who questions the annointing of Obama of racism, and you will see a backlash on election day that will make DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN look like a garden tea party.

Middle Americans do not buy into that whole guilt ridden, white angst that America is basically a racist country and the only way to absolve ourselves of this guilt is to elect a black man president and pay reparations to every black person in the country. They do not and will not respond well to the use of the brickbat of white guilt to elect Barak Obama dog catcher, let alone POTUS. Most average Americans love their country, right or wrong, and do not believe that America is the root of all contemporary evil, nor do they care to deconstruct American society, and they believe, as I do, that there is a wealth of opportunity in America for anybody of any race, creed or sexual orientation to achieve greatness.

Fortunately, for now, there are not a sufficient number of latte drinking, ivy league educated, rich black liberals and their guilty white lapdogs to get socialism elected to the Presidency.

Gordon and his fellow travelers are not in the mainstream, and Obama will NOT be the next POTUS.