Thursday, April 24, 2008

Thinking the Unthinkable

I’m taking a lot of flak via email today about the essay by El Inglés that I posted here in the wee hours of this morning.

Despite his clear statements at the beginning and end of his post, some people see his analysis as an advocacy of genocide.

This is not just untrue, it is damaging to our cause to describe the discussion of genocide as advocating it.

Believe me, when I want to advocate genocide, you’ll know it. I won’t pussyfoot around the topic.

But neither El Inglés nor I, nor any of our other contributors, has anything other than dread about the possibility that he is looking at. All of us want to avoid it.

It’s obvious that we don’t advocate genocide. Genocide is simply one possible horrible outcome of our failure to address the decay of the West. No one I know wants to see it happen, or recommends it.

Nevertheless, genocide may well come our way even if we don’t talk about it, given the current trends.

It might happen, no matter what we do or say, and no matter how hard we try to point out what lies ahead.

But it might not. There’s still time.

If the awful outcome El Inglés describes happens, it won’t be because he or I or anyone else advocates it. It will be because the situation has reached the discontinuity he talks about, and some or all of our societies begin the descent into violent chaos.

Things cannot continue as they are.
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Present trends will inevitably lead to one of several possible scenarios of varying degrees of nastiness. How nasty our future will be depends on how well we look ahead and see what’s coming, and how effectively we communicate our concerns to the political leadership in our different countries.

Our only hope is to see the situation clearly, and then spread the word so that action can be taken while some degree of reason and order still prevails in our political systems.

I’ve been asked to pull El Inglés’ post. I won’t do it. His analysis is careful and thorough and deserves to be studied.

A discussion of our possible futures is also welcome here in the comments, provided commenters stay within the bounds of our well-known rules. If they don’t, I’ll close the comment thread.

But the topic itself is not taboo. Blogger may silence it, but I won’t.

65 comments:

Subvet said...

After "the war to end all wars" further conflict became unthinkable. Therefore Hitler was able to defy Europe for as long as he did. Had the Europeans woke up and smelled the coffee a few years earlier than they did, WWII and all it's associated horrors may never have come to pass.

Yeah, I know, it's on the same level as "if pigs had wings they'd be pigeons", just a useless intellectual exercise. What's done is done.

But if we don't start "thinking the unthinkable" it will come roaring down on us.

And the option of genocide works both ways, let followers of the pedophile prophet and their quisling sympathizers gain enough power, it will be the likes of US that will be destroyed.

Just the opinion of a retired turd chaser.

Wormwood said...

I actually doubt it will. Look at what is happening in England, and Sweden white flight is removing all the would be perpetrators of genocide. Everyone that has any sense knows now is the time to get out, and so they are. What does that leave? Everyone who doesn't realize it's time to get out, and do you think these people are suddenly going to wake up and commit a genocide?

There won't be enough of them to commit a genocide, instead you will see internal conflict. This is what will happen in the first wave, which is Europe, the second wave will take place in the countries that the Europeans fled to. Having seen the fate of Europe they will be determined that it won't come to pass in their new, and last refuges the U.S., Australia, Canada...etc.

These refuges have been increasing their Muslim immigration as well thought, so by the time Europe is gone there will be a thriving Muslim population in the refugee areas, and thats where the genocides will take place.

Conservative Swede said...

Wormwood,

There's nowhere to go. People go around in circles. Europeans escape to America, Americans escape to Europe. I recently read about Dutch people escaping to Sweden.

These people will not disappear into thin air. In some place of the world they will be, pushed against the wall.

Wormwood said...

These people will not disappear into thin air. In some place of the world they will be, pushed against the wall.

People disappear into thin air all the time, it's our nature to disappear, and that is exactly what the native population of Europe is doing at this moment. There are some areas that are western and due to their distance aren't in the same boat as Europe, and won't be for many years. The smart, and or wealthy Europeans will go there.

It's easier to move than fight, and since they can flee they don't have their backs against a wall. If Europe was the only Western area of the world it might be different. The events in the future of Europe will be awful, but I don't believe it will be a genocide of natives killing Muslim immigrants. It will be internal warfare, or Muslims ethnically cleansing Europe.

Conservative Swede said...

Wormwood: "There are some areas that are western and due to their distance aren't in the same boat as Europe, and won't be for many years. The smart, and or wealthy Europeans will go there."

Tell me where it is. I have never heard of such a place. And there it can be delayed for many years? How many? 5-6 years?

Dymphna said...

@wormwood --

Everyone that has any sense knows now is the time to get out, and so they are. What does that leave? Everyone who doesn't realize it's time to get out, and do you think these people are suddenly going to wake up and commit a genocide?

But how about those who cannot afford to leave, how about the poor, the old, the infirm? Is anyone looking out for them?

For some it is *not* "easier to move than fight"...for some it is impossible to do either of those things.

Take a look at the demographics of those who are leaving...they fall within a narrow range of age and economics.

Findalis said...

There will come a time when the Europeans will finally say enough is enough. They will send out their armies and the round ups will begin. The long marches to the borders will happen.

The question is not whether this will happen, but whether the armies will be Christian or Muslim.

Wormwood said...

Tell me where it is. I have never heard of such a place. And there it can be delayed for many years? How many? 5-6 years?

I am referring specifically to Muslim immigration, and while the U.S. indeed has an immigration problem it isn't a large percentage muslim.

But how about those who cannot afford to leave, how about the poor, the old, the infirm? Is anyone looking out for them?


Europe is not a third world country, even average citizens will be able to scrape enough cash to leave, and start over. They did it in Ireland, and as far as everyone else is concerned, no, nobody is looking out for them, or will in the future.

For some it is *not* "easier to move than fight"...for some it is impossible to do either of those things.

If it is impossible for them to fight then how can they commit a genocide, and I thought thats what we were discussing, a genocide of Muslims by native Europeans.


Take a look at the demographics of those who are leaving...they fall within a narrow range of age and economics.

Young, and skilled enough to make a good living, or in other words the future. When they see what they escaped in their homeland what will they do to Muslim communities where they end up?

CAPTAIN THURSTON said...

I read El Ingles' article as the Johnathan Swiftesque piece that it was. And not to mention, the "Swiftness" of it was lost very quickly when the author made it very clear from the start he was not advocating genocide. It's a plausible scenario. Not to mention one that has played itself out before. Carry on. Please.

Zenster said...

I’ve been asked to pull El Inglés’ post. I won’t do it. His analysis is careful and thorough and deserves to be studied.

Good on ya, Baron! Far more damaging and perilous is any continued silence on the topic. Most freakish of all is how unlikely it is that any part of this discussion is going on in Islamic lands.

Per my comments in the "Surrender, Genocide… or What?" thread, Islam teeters on a knife edge of survival. A host of extremely unpleasant prospects awaits it once any of sundry sparks hit the ever-accumulating tinder. Despite all of this, there is little to no Muslim discourse regarding the immense peril they face.

While Islamic hubris indeed can be monumental, it goes beyond insane for them to ignore how their terrorist factions continue to poke at the sleeping, nuclear-armed Western dragon with all of a pointed stick.

Natalie said...

I just read the essay and I find absolutely no advocating of genocide whatsoever. I'm glad you're keeping the post up, Baron.

Of course, our favourite people over at LGF (that was sarcasm, in case you didn't notice) have distorted it (the post is entitled "Gates of Vienna Toys with Genocide"). I would provide a link, but I am too disgusted.

Of course I don't care what they say (and hopefully no one here is too bothered either) but seriously, I don't think they could sink any lower. It is absolutely repugnant - there is no other word to describe my acute feeling of disgust.

Zenster said...

Subvet: "if pigs had wings they'd be pigeons"

Really, really tasty fat and heavy pigeons. Yes?

Sodra Djavul said...

Charles Johnson will keep repeating his mantra of "Nazi, Nazi.." just as his faithful will beat the coconuts following their self-professed Lizard King on their quest for their grail. Or something.

They are children. Quick to say, "hey, there's something wrong here", but not willing to actually DO anything about it. And they poo-poo those who actually do.

Keep it up Baron and Dymphna. If you're catching flak from the LGF'ers, you know you're doing something right.

- Sodra

P.S. I see another Sodra infiltration into the cesspool, Rickrolling or worse yet, meatspinning the lot of them.

P.P.S. for Baron. Meatspinning is the absolute worst Internet thing you can pull on a message board. It is highly vile. But, my actions are indeed my own. Attack the gates at your own peril.

ScottSA said...

Keep up the good work. Charles does nothing but post news articles punctuated by the occasional spat of trite moralizing. He should have stuck with bicycles...it's within his scope of capability.

Dymphna said...

Sodra--

I lead a sheltered life here in the woods. What in heaven's name is "rickrolling"? Or, even more interesing, "meatspinning"?

The latter brings to mind rotating penises, but I'm guessing I'm wrong here.

Please advise.

Dymphna said...

subvet--

a little late to ask, but what exactly was that you were chasing?

Sodra Djavul said...

Dymphna, Meatspin is a variation on the Rickroll. A Rickroll is where you post a link suggesting a relevant link but instead links to Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" cheesy 80's pop video.

Meatspin (.com) is notorious as one of the most vile sites on the Internet. It is indeed a rotating penis. However it is being rotated by an individual engaging in a homosexual act on the other side.

- Sodra

Wimbledon Womble said...
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Sodra Djavul said...

Wimbledon,
A few points:

1) I am a he, not a she.
2) It is of relevance, as explained, that left-wing Jewish activists are destroying the fabric of the nation. Nothing they advocate was anything close to what the Founding Fathers intended.
3) I never said my best friends were Jewish. I have a Jewish roommate but to be honest he's just as nutjob leftist as Aliza Shvartz herself.
4) I said I support the right side of the Israeli political spectrum. Because I believe they and I share common views.
5) I could care less what people from LGF would consider anti-Semitism. According to some, criticism of actions of anyone of even the remotest trace of Jewish ancestry amounts to anti-Semitism, curses upon you.

I think that's enough for now. But I would encourage you to return to your LGF echo chamber before you actually look at the exchange I had with a Jewish individual who actually agreed that some of these activities are over the top.

Try facts next time. Thanks for playing.

- Sodra

randian said...

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Wimbledon Womble said...

Case in point...

Always OT. Always an agenda.

latté island said...

A simplistic but possibly effective way to answer people who think people here are advocating genocide: there's a well-known book about dog-training, Don't Shoot the Dog, by a famous trainer, I forget her name. She loves dogs and isn't advocating shooting them, but she understands that a badly trained dog may end up getting euthanized. That's why "shooting the dog" is an appropriate expression, and so is "genocide" in this context.

Sodra Djavul said...

Wimbledon,
You see this as off topic, or an agenda.

I see this as highly relevant, when applied under different situational constructs.

I replied to your points, you claim my reply was off-topic.

If you are truly such a stickler for the expression of thought, perhaps you should go work for the EU in the regulation of such.

It is highly relevant that the U.S. is losing the fight just as much as the Europeans are. It is highly relevant that none of us should consider ourselves better than another for finding ourselves in a common situation.

I'm sorry. I gave you a bonus credit on this one but your game is over, bud.

- Sodra

Wormwood said...

I just went and read Charles post, and had a good laugh. You know why I quit reading LGF? It was because they failed to carry things out to their logical conclusion. They spend every minute, of every day discussing the Islamifaction of.....everything, but what will they do if their own fears become reality? They apparently have no clue, and have never, ever thought the situation might resort to violence.

I don't know about everybody else, but I don't want what's coming. I like my life, and my family. I don't want this to befall them, but I'm afraid unless the West gets serious about some issues including Islam in the next few years it will be too late to deal with them without bloodshed.

Wormwood said...

It is highly relevant that the U.S. is losing the fight just as much as the Europeans are. It is highly relevant that none of us should consider ourselves better than another for finding ourselves in a common situation.

I'm sorry. I gave you a bonus credit on this one but your game is over, bud.


The U.S. may be taking the same road, as the Europeans, and thus losing as badly as them, but we are years, maybe decades, behind them in the time line, and stating that truth, in support of my argument, is not considering ourselves better than Europeans.

Dymphna said...

Mr. Womble:

Ad hominem attacks on other commenters is a double dribble outside the lines.

Please read our rules about civil discourse. In this case, you could have disagreed with Sodra without attacking his mental status. It cripples your argument.

Shy Guy said...

I have been sitting on the sidelines over the past year in this fight between GoV versus LGF. There are still things which I do not like about several of the characters and organizations which have attached themselves to the cause GoV advocates.

I have always been a big LGF fan and I will continue to be one. However, I was shocked at Charles Johnson's accusations against the El Inglés essay. As Wormwood said above, what are they going to do?

I have long thought that there is no alternative to the Islamic onslaught against the west but for the west to ban Islam. Does that equate banning Muslims? I don't know but it might have to.

Someone tell me: what is the difference between the danger of Islam's totalitarianism in comparison to Nazism? I'm not talking about methods employed (though history has shown a willingness on Muslim's part for great affinity to Nazi atrocities). I'm talking about the dangers to the world's physical, spiritual and political freedoms, which most of us here took for granted until recent years.

If neo-Nazis today could be counted in the hundreds of millions and they began establishing themselves in great numbers throughout the west and they began making political demands to meet their terms, I wouldn't hesitate for 2 seconds to ship every last one of them off to Devil's Island.

Maybe US West coast bloggers are a bit too far away from across the pond to comprehend just how bad things are getting. Those pictures of California beaches and coastline have a soothing effect on me, too.

I wish the Barron and Charles Johnson picked up the phone to each other and said "let's meet". There are things that can be resolved here and even those that can't would most likely end up being amicable agreements to disagree.

This infighting (and that's what it is) is bad for the spirit, bad for the cause.

Vasarahammer said...

A fitting quote from Antti Rokka, a character in the Finnish war movie "Tuntematon Sotilas" (Unknown Soldier). It doesn't translate well to English but I'll post it anyway.

Rokka is standing in a trench and one of his fellow soldiers wants to run away and flee:

"Hey, take a look. This is how it is. If you start running, you can run all the way to the Gulf of Bothnia. He will come after you, don't you doubt that one second. But if you stay put and don't run away, what can he do? You and him don't fit into the same hole. That is the strategy of defensive warfare."

He in this case indicates a Soviet soldier.

The same in Rokka's original Karelian accent:

"Kassoha sie. Tää asja on näi. Jos sie lähet juoksemaa, nii sie saat juossa Pohjalahel saakka. Kyl hää tulloo peräs, älä yhtää eppäile. Mut jos sie pysyt paikollais etkä lähe hitoilkaa, nii minkä hää tekköö? Et sie sovi hänen kansaa sammaa monttuu. Se on tään puolustussovan ratekia."

The same applies to islamization. If you start running away, pretty sooon you'll reach the Gulf of Bothnia i.e. you've run out of hiding places. If you want to defend, you stay put and resist.

laller said...

I'll be honest and admit that I haven't read the essay by El Ingles. I'm not going to read it as I can't concentrate long enough to do so.

That said, doesn't this whole thing remind you of the "If we say jihad and jihadist, we're enabling the terrorists" idiocy? Something the very same people, who are attacking GoV, have spent countless hours belittling, ridiculing and fuming over.

zebbra said...

That Muslim immigration would result in an eventual tipping point and European wide civil war has been obvious for a long time - especially to the Soviets whose Marxist ideologies underlay multicultualism, PC etc. After the Chaos has been allowed to progress so far - you can expect the Soviets to come marching in as 'saviours' of Northern Europe at least - they may let the Muslims have spain and Italy.

whiskey_199 said...

A couple of observations.

1. The experience in the Balkans, bad as it is and was, has not met "genocide" though mass killings and massacres on pretty much all sides characterize it. And I am sure will continue to characterize it.

What did happen was mass population transfer, see also Palestine, 1948, and so on. I would expect at some point that process to continue in the Balkans, and also elsewhere.

In fact, I would argue it is already happening in Europe. Natives are abandoning neighborhoods and cities to Muslims. Fighting back through the usual riots etc. in other places (Windsor comes to mind).

2. The situation in Europe is likely to be unpredictable and driven mostly by unknown (at this point) actors on the Muslim/European sides. Doing unpredictable things that will drive events rather than some Wansee Conference to commit genocide.

3. Islamicization is being pushed too soon, too hard, too fast for it to be successful. The elites are weak, and effete. Much like the French Aristocracy before the Revolution. Islamists see the weakness and press against it, getting concession after concession.

BUT ... most Europeans are stuck. Lacking capital and language skills to move. Having in the final analysis no other choice but to stand and fight for shops, neighborhoods, cities, and culture. In such a fight the events are guaranteed to be bloody, see LA during the Rodney King Riots. Without the happy ending of the National Guard (Europe having a pretend military).

Most likely is the emergence of a man on a horse. With the usual amounts of terror/counter-terror ending up with most Muslims being pushed out. At this point there are simply too many Europeans and too many opportunities for native Europeans to displace elites.

Why, a man could be "King" if he can save his country. Never underestimate base ambition, greed, lust, and so on to motivate the most astonishing courage.

In short I do not think genocide is ever likely, merely a continuation of the terror/counter-terror that characterized the Algerian War of Independence, with Europeans as the Algerians/FLN, or perhaps the experience of Indonesians and the Chinese minority (periodically subject to pogroms).

This is certainly bad. But not genocide ala Rwanda or Nazi Europe 1939-45.

Fairlane said...

I totally agree with Shy Guy.

I too frequent LGF (don't post much - little time and stuff) and enjoy doing so.

On the other hand... I do not really like being limited in my options and or choices.

Furthermore, I found 2 articles on Daniel Pipes website, that are in line with El Ingles essay about the possible outcomes from the state that europe is in.

Links at: www.realfairlane.blogspot.com

Laterz

Conservative Swede said...

Wormwood,

America is hardly an improvement. Ethnic instability is the most outstanding feature of that country. Non-Hispanic whites are already in minority in large areas. People of European ancestry are even ahead in their civilizational suicide in America. It would be an utterly depressing place to be. There's to much in-your-face political correctness and multiculturalism for me to endure too.

I'd rather go to a completely non-European country, such as Thailand or Vietnam, than going to a country of European ancestry that is falling apart. Or I'd rather go to a country that already is Latin America (e.g. Uruguay) than one that is turning into it.

Or I'd just go across the Baltic Sea to Poland, which fulfills all the criteria of a healthy country.

Sra Scherzophrenic said...

Good Grief! The ones who've declared war upon us have no problem hoping for, desiring, planning for OUR GENOCIDE! What is the problem with us? There is a sector devoted to thinking the unthinkable, of coming up with possible scenarios of unthinkable options, while most of the rest of our government is increasingly ham-strung about touchy things, like naming the enemy, calling enemies our good friends and allies, and making sure that upon arrival of any scene of death and destruction where Muslims are involved, NO TERRORISM IS INVOLVED. Just a misguided youth with stress disorders.
Frankly the only other people thinking the unthinkable are novelists, and many of them are making big bucks for putting in writing what others are too afraid to put into thought.

VinceP1974 said...

America is hardly an improvement. Ethnic instability is the most outstanding feature of that country. Non-Hispanic whites are already in minority in large areas. People of European ancestry are even ahead in their civilizational suicide in America. It would be an utterly depressing place to be. There's to much in-your-face political correctness and multiculturalism for me to endure too.

Are you in America right now? If not, when was the last time you were?

latté island said...

VinceP, I sort of agree with ConSwede about this. Even if there are places in the U.S. that still are American, California and many other formerly wonderful places are lost. What's weird is that even liberals are protesting the immigration/crime/corruption situation openly in the comments sections of online newspapers, and yet I don't think this is enough to save California, because hostile foreigners and their enablers control the government, including the police and courts.

VinceP1974 said...

It's the white folks who invented and impose PC and the policies that enabled immigrants ,etc..

To scapegoat the immigrants is to miss the bigger problem.

eatyourbeans said...

Hey! SCRILLA! You there?

In El Ingles' post, you made a short but intriquing point about the Russia factor. Please elaborate.

kbarrett said...
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Cobra said...

I commend you, Baron, for the intellectual courage to post that article.
We must discuss what is happening with the civilization, the world and our country.
Our country is being destroyed from within, like the European countries, but we still have time to remedy the situation.
Those who are attacking this blog and you personally, do not have the best interest of the USA and the western Civilization at heart.
They are just advancing a neo-con or an old trozkyite agenda.
I hope there are people who understand exactly what I mean.

PapaBear said...

One thing to keep in mind about demographics: the welfare state will collapse long before demographics become critical. I'm talking about "within 5 years", most likely

Lombard1985 said...

VinceP1974 said...

It's the white folks who invented and impose PC and the policies that enabled immigrants ,etc..

To scapegoat the immigrants is to miss the bigger problem.


I wouldn't say scapegoating. After all, it takes two to tango. Those immigrants didn't have to come, much less with nefarious objectives. But nonetheless, both sides are to blame. And it certainly is true that if said policies weren't implemented and persued, these problems wouldn't have come about.

Papabear...

I agree. Although it won't be pretty, the sooner it happens the better (in the grander scheme of things).

Bert said...

Papa Bear: I agree with you, though El Inglés' scenario might come true, the welfare state will collapse first. Demographics are critical in quite a lot of cities in the Netherlands now already, but many Dutch will only be willing to act when there is not much or nothing left to loose.

Another factor -apart from muslims joining with anti-fascists, autonomen and whatever socialists, is the state, the EU. When the Lisbon treaty is signed, any national revolt will be seen as local and treated as such (like the Russians crushed the Hungary uprising in 1956).

And they are preparing: the treaty will make it possible to revive the death sentence only in the case of "war, riots & upheaval.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

What the left, and even the middle need to realize that that if we continue down this road we will be forced to live in police states, muslim states, or in a state of civil war.

There is no other option unless we nip the muslim immigration and dhimmitude thing in the bud.

The UK is beyond the curve. Facial recognition for all passengers? Yet when they actually convict brit muslims of crimes that should be high treason, they give them all less than 5 years.

Liberals are playing sonnerkommando to the muslim's SS.

leadpb said...

Bert's link to the EU death clause is most interesting. Maybe it was sneaked in with putting down outbreaks of Islamic aggression in mind rather than smashing native European efforts to defend themselves. Or maybe they don't care either way?

In terms of flight, will it not be the most ardent supporters of Europe's politically correct policies who are among the most likely to vacate? The elite class who has developed and now sustains the current Leftist utopia? If this comes to pass it will release a political and social choke-hold and allow a leaner and meaner European population to fight with vigor for a way of life that is still in their active memories.

And I think this is key to what some have said about the Muslims "jumping the gun"-- one must wait until all generations with memory of pre-invasion conditions have died out. That is at least 70-80 years.

Who knows? Maybe that is their plan anyway. The question begs, who thinks they are running the game? And what is our plan?

Wimbledon Womble said...

There are two issues here.

First, it was entirely gratuitous and disturbing to see Sodra comment on the initial post by talking about completely unrelated liberal lunatic who may be Jewish and had some sort of crazy art project at Yale. Sodra even linked to a picture of this woman to underscore that, along with the sound of her name, she must be Jewish. This is silly and counter-productive and seems to underscore a prejudice based on tired old caricatures that Sodra has. It is demeaning to all, Sodra and the site. Sodra is entitled to his opinions, but why bring them up here, a counter-Jihad site? Why not save them for an appropriate venue like Stormfront. Anti-semitism is a disease, and, though myself banned from Charles' site, he and Spencer are right that such crap has no place in the counter-Jihad movement, if we want to be effective. Furthermore, such thoughts are simply morally repugnant and based on the most tiresome and hoary old prejudices.

The second issue is that there should be more editorial context for a post like El Inglés'. I read through it and could see that he was saying that, since the EU and its constituent nations are unlikely to act collectively or individually, things may come to mass murder. But that is a very unpleasant thought and should be couched in appropriate terms. Murder is horrible, even if it is the murder of an enemy. That is what should distinguish us from our Islamist enemies. So, the hypothetical nature of a war that may leave many dead in the future should be put into the context of a sad eventuality that could come to pass rather than as something that the author or GoV condone. El Inglés made this point, but the whole essay could easily be misread or taken out of context. That is damaging to the counter-Jihad movement, since, as we already know, it could be spun into advocacy for such murderous war. Also, the mere use of the term genocide is problematic. GoV posted the essay. The essay was worth reading and considering, as it contains scenarios that may disturbingly come to pass, but it must be more clearly put into context. Otherwise, it is all-to-easy for the enemies of GoV and the counter-Jihad movement to simply say: see, they are all for genocide. I mean, come on, let's be a bit more thoughtful here.

nikolai said...

It's no different to people slagging off Churchill in the 30s imo. Some people see the horrors to come but can't handle it so they recoil and seek to bury their heads in the sand.

eatyourbeans said...

Fascinating and vital discussion. But aren't we all being a little maidenly here? Name me a country that didn't owe its beginnings to cruelty and bloodshed. Now and then in our national histories we've all had to do horrible things, which by virtue of having done them so well, we've been able to forget about. We're like trust fund babies who look down on the old man who got his hands dirty amassing the fortune in the first place.

Well, it's our bad luck that those times have come again. What was it that Trotsky once said? "If you want a quiet and peaceful life, you chose the wrong century to be born in"

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

Anti-Semitism isn't a disease. It is a political statement. Liberal jews get to have their own special word for people sick of their crap. Unfortunately, they took over a word that formerly was used to describe the reflexive hatred of jews in some parts of the world.

Personally, I am just as sick of liberal jews as I can be. Every major anti-Christian or anti-American organization in the US is led by and dominated by that 1-2% of the population that self describes as Jewish. Does noticing that with that "abortion artist" is yet another crazy jewess make people anti-semitic? Jewish guilt doesn't stop at suicide for the jewish people, it leads many jews to try to take out their friends too.

Wimbledon Womble said...

mr. smarterthanyou said...

"Personally, I am just as sick of liberal jews as I can be. Every major anti-Christian or anti-American organization in the US is led by and dominated by that 1-2% of the population that self describes as Jewish. Does noticing that with that "abortion artist" is yet another crazy jewess make people anti-semitic?"

CAIR, MSA, etc. are all run by Jews then? It is this kind of idiocy that is the biggest threat to Christians and America, because instead of focusing on clear and present danger of Islamism, the old-style bigots keep focusing on Jews and Jewesses.

Judging from the clientele, GoV is in danger of becoming a de facto White Power site.

nikolai said...

@MrSmart

PoV of ex-leftist...

The multi-cult enables the Islamic invasion. The vast majority of the people involved in the multi-cult aren't Jewish. If you focus on *just* Jews then you miss the bigger picture.

There's a very strong irrational element to multi-cult ideology which leads me to believe it is a psychological reaction to the extreme nationalism and racialism of the Nazis. The reaction is extreme anti-nationalism and anti-racialism to the point of self hatred and self-inflicted genocide.

If that is the root cause then it wouldn't be surprising if that reaction was stronger among Jews as a percentage of Jews but the multi-cult really isn't a solely Jewish thing.

Believing otherwise is a blind alley imo.

GTBM said...

FWIW, I think you were unjustly condemned by the hacks at LGF. In fact, I noticed in Johnson's post that he entirely failed to refute El Inglés's points. Sometimes I think that LGF is also part of "the problem" concerning the Islamists. El Ingles merely wrote what many of us have been thinking...from time to time.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

Well Wimby, What sort of lawyer did the flying Imams get? A jew who is also a council for the DNC. While CAIR and MSA are major anti-American groups, they came on the scene withing the last few years. The ACLU, People for the American way, all the buttholes (gawd I hate self censorship) suing to get rid of flags, suing the military etc, they just happen to be Jewish.

Yes, ALL multi-culti's are not Jewish, but most of their groups are run by them. And my point is, they hide behind the "anti-semetic" shield, when in fact they themselves are flinging spears and arrows as fast as they can. I don't think that leftist jews deserve that shield.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

I guess my rant above sounded a bit harsh. Just to restate: The same treasonous socialist sleezebags who support the destruction of both the USA and Israel do not deserve to accuse others of anti-semitism, when in fact they surround themselves with anti-semites and call them friends.

deadbambi said...

Womble is absolutely right. I forgot to mention Sodra in my earlier post. To post a comment about an art project regarding abortion on a thread featuring an essay on what to do about Islamization was just weird and irrelevant.

I agree with the comment about Europe creating a vaccuum with the murder of Europe's Jews. I find it funny in a sense that they still bitch about Jews as Muslims are perched and ready to take Europe over. They'll blame the Jews for that too. lol

Second, I wanted to remind the posters who have said that Islam can't maintain their hold on any country to take a look at Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Turkey, etc... These countries (as they're named now and in former incarnations) were not Muslim countries. They were taken over by Muslims and that hold has never faltered.

Lastly, we're all sick of liberal Jews...and liberal Catholics, and liberal Latinos (aren't Portuguese Latinos?), and liberal Protestants (damn Quakers and Lutherans!), and liberal Atheists, and liberal fishermen, and liberal homosexuals, and liberal bloggers...Get the point?

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

No.

The modern Sonderkommandos need to be outed and marginalized.

The liberal jew who has the most to lose from the Muslims is what we find defending them pro-bono, advancing their cause against free speech, working towards the same objective of wiping every trace of Christianity and backbone from the culture of the west. It is insanity.

The liberal Portugese has an excuse, he may not be quite up on what it is like to have his culture be the target of a holocust. The jew does, and he has NO FREAKING ECUSE for aiding and abetting the downfall of his own people and mine.

deadbambi said...

Many liberal Jews don't identify with their Jewishness - so they're as much as a clean slate as the liberal Portuguese.

I'll say the same to you that I said to Sodra - you cannot paint all Jews with one brush. If you do, that makes you a bigot. That is the definition of a bigot. You can't say most groups are run by Jews if you can't give me the entire registry of that group and identify who is Jewish - and you can't go by last names either.

My last name is not at all Jewish. There are many who have Jewish last names but didn't grow up Jewish since their moms weren't Jewish. You need more than a name and a big nose to play like you've got good Jewdar.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

90% of us jews vote democrat.
The ACLU was founded by and is still run by jews. George Soros, jew, has a half dozen socialist front groups also run by jews. As 1-2% of the US population, we should not hear about a lawyer named steinberg or bergstein every time someone is trying to enforce dhimmitude, tear down a flag or remove christmas trees.

if you are one of the 10% of jews that wouldn't gladly help your fellow jews march off towards the chambers in order to spare your own life for a few more days, great. But recognize that you are one of the few. Ask your fellow jews about whom they would prefer to be, Irgun or Sonderkommando. I bet a bunch of them would pick option #2 and feel all kinds of morally superior about it.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

RE the above, I meant US, not "us".

And sorry for hijacking this thread. My original point was that the enemy is getting all kinds of aid from within our society.

I think that we need a Pinochet to clean up the leftist enemy within, and to prevent the Muslims from continuing their infiltration.

deadbambi said...

Mrsmarter,

Where do you get your statistics? Please cite some sources. Thanks.

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

Just for deadbambi:
Jewish % of population @ 2.3%:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/partners/Preview.HTM

% of Jews voting Democrat @88%:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2563.html

Feel free to notice for yourself that 9 out of 10 (estimated, but more conservative than not) of the people in the news attacking the American dream, Capitalism, Christianity, Family, etc. are Jewish. We would expect that only 1/50 of the scum attacking our traditions would be Jewish. But look around you. There are two religious wars in the US. The Muslims (not 100%) against everyone (even when they find a Jewish lawyer to sell their souls for them, or even give it away pro-bono), andthe Jews (not 100%) against everything Christian and Capitalist. 12% of you aren't socialist scum? Good for you. But the bulk of you are, and are doing great harm to the country.

If you don't like my perception of this, maybe you can go down to your local Jewish community centers, homosexual hangouts, wherever you find concentrations of Jews, and convince them that what hurts American Conservatism and Christianity weakens them too. Convince them that it was the Protestant culture of the US that welcomed them, for them to attack us is being the most ungrateful of guests.

Baron Bodissey said...

Mr. Smarterthanyou (and everyone else) --

OK, that's enough of this. It's not the topic, and I'm sick of it.

Vegetarians, Unitarians, and Puerto Ricans have similar voting patterns. Rag on them for a while, just to be different.

Give the Jews a rest, or I'll close this thread, too.

Graham Dawson (Archonix) said...

It was the end of the day, in the halls of heaven, as such things are measured in human terms and the sun was... not setting as such, but if a human were there to perceive it he might well pretend it was.

The One True God dismissed the latest supplicant with a cheery wave and a promise to look into his
ideas about eight-legged chickens and (metaphorically) put his feet up on a convenient pillar. He turned to the Archangel Michael. "Please tell me that's the last one. I've got a golf appointment with Bob Barker."

"Isn't he still alive?"

"Depends how you look at it," The Holy One replied, looking at his nails.

"Well we do have one more appointment. One Eli, from the nation of Israel."

The Lord of Heaven perked up at the news. "Ohh, send him in! Nice to see someone from the old country..."

Eli, a short man in a scruffy, ill-fitting suit shuffled in a moment later, bobbing his head and looking about with a nervous expression. He paused at the foto of God's throne and looked up at him in awe.

"What can I do for you, Eli?"

"Oh lord... is it true that we, the jews, are truly your chosen people?"

The Lord nodded with a broad smile. "It is."

"Praise you oh lord," Eli replied. "And so on."

He shuffled his feet and stared at the floor. God sat back, staring at the man before him. "Is there something else, Eli?"

"You know it, Oh Lord... we have long lived as your chosen people in the land you set aside for us, but..." Eli rumpled his hat around in his hands and looked at the floor again. "We were wondering if, perhaps, you would mind choosing someone else for a while."

deadbambi said...

Mr - The comment you left on my blog www.deadbambi.blogpost.com and the comment here are filled with such rage at Jews.

Those numbers you gave about Jews voting Democratic could be wrong since I used to be one of them and now I will not be voting Democratic.

Believe me, Mr, I scream as much at my fellow Jews as you want me to. I interject this stuff at every single Jewish event I attend, including services, dinners, holidays - you name it. You'd better believe I'm on a campaign to educate the idiots who think the Holocaust can't happen again and that the rightwingers are the only perpetrators of Anti-Semitism. Not to worry, Mr, I'm on it.

The thing that you need to do is quit blaming all the Jews for the liberalism in this country. As you said, we're hardly a speck on the map in the USA, so why are you giving us so much power?

deadbambi said...

Graham - lol again!

Baron, sorry I didn't see your earlier post about enough with the Jew stuff. Thank you for putting an end to it. Though now since they're migrating over to my blog I might be on my own over there. lol