Friday, April 18, 2008

Why the Madrassa? And Why “Hussein”?

The Donklephant

Earlier today, when posting about opinion polls in Afghanistan and Somalia, I was forced to mention the current presidential campaign.

Since I had to bring it up, I decided to have a little fun at the expense of the candidates, particularly the Democrats. I’m not a party-line voter, but — to paraphrase South Park’s Matt Stone — I hate Republicans, but I really f***ing hate Democrats. I’d sooner vote for a rabid tree shrew for national office than pull the lever for a Democrat.

We have a sometime commenter here who goes by the nickname “The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon”, or — to those who knew him in his LGF days — “Nodrog”.

Nodrog is unhappy when I let my loathing of the Democrats show, and he takes me to task for it. In my recent post he mentioned my use of “the Barack HUSSEIN Obama angle, new, but also pathetically trite.”

He also said this:

As for the “madrassa” angle, I would refer you to the source for such internet-based smears. The Muslim school Obama attended for part of the time he was a child was not a Madrassa. According to the free dictionary online, a madrassa is defined as A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque. Websters online dictionary has a more broad definition, a Muslim school, college, or university that is often part of a mosque. So, of course Baron, you will now crow that you are technically correct to say that Barack Obama attended a madrassa in Indonesia. But, given the popular understanding of a madrassa as an al qaeda nest, the characterization of Obama’s Indonesian school as such is nothing more than another cheap smear.

Nodrog isn’t the only person on the Left who objects to formulations such as these, and his comment made me wonder what all the fuss might be about. Here's my response to him.

Nodrog —

While it may or may not be “technically correct” to refer to the school that Barack Obama attended in Indonesia as a “madrassa”, mentioning it is not a “cheap smear”. Considering that the young BHO — according to the testimony of his sister — did what all the other children at his school did, that is, he memorized and chanted the Koran in Arabic, it’s not a trivial piece of information. It deserves to be mentioned, since it’s unlikely to get much coverage in the MSM.

I freely acknowledge that referring to the next President of the United States as “Barack Hussein Obama” is a dig, and that I enjoy doing it.

So tell me: what is it about my doing so that bothers you?

I presume it wouldn’t disturb you if I referred to “John Fitzgerald Kennedy”, or “Lyndon Baines Johnson”, or “James Earl Carter Jr.”, or “William Jefferson Clinton”, or “Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton”. So what’s wrong with “Barack Hussein Obama”?
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There’s nothing wrong with his having a Muslim background, right?

So why be concerned about my referring to it?

Is it because the average American, if allowed to become aware of it, would become suspicious of BHO, and thus less likely to vote for him?

If so, why would the average American, despite all the years of incessant televised propaganda that tries to convince him that Islam is a religion of peace, be suspicious of someone with a Muslim background?

Do you think that somehow, against all odds, the truth has gotten through to Joe Sixpack and Suzie Bighair, and that they realize there’s something fishy about most devotees of the Prophet?

Are you perhaps afraid that the truth will in fact sink your candidate?

If so, let truth reign!

38 comments:

Zenster said...

I'll cross-post some of my comments from the other thread:

Ex-Gordon: Then, of course, the Barack HUSSEIN Obama angle, new, but also pathetically trite.

You really need to go Drinking with Bob. I'm sure he'd be more than glad to "talk" a little sense into you. Your offense taken at mere fact is more than pathetic. Either Obama comes forward with why he feels no one should mention his middle name or he can shut the f&%k up about it. Is he proud of it or ashamed? He certainly cannot be both so, which is it and why is he so offended about this?

But, given the popular understanding of a madrassa as an al qaeda nest, the characterization of Obama's Indonesian school as such is nothing more than another cheap smear.

Portraying a "madrassa as al qaeda nest" shows just how very little you really know about Islam. A madrassa is not an "al qaeda nest", it is an Islamic indoctrination center that spreads jihad, anti-American rhetoric and terrorism. Al Qaeda is merely a beneficiary of the filth they defecate in the form of graduates. Any connection between al Qaeda and the vast majority of madrassas is so tenuous as to render your assertion utterly puerile.

Furthermore, you can bet the farm that Obama was exposed to the same torrent of anti-West sewage in his madrassa that the overwhelming majority of them teach around the world. So, how does that make the Baron's observation into a "cheap smear".

Obama has Nation of Islam members on his campaign staff! Does that not alarm you?

Obama is a pathological liar. Does that not alarm you either?

It disturbs the living Hell out of me and I do not intend to let such glaring character flaws in a presidential candidate go unnoticed.

I R A Darth Aggie said...

I’d sooner vote for a rabid tree shrew

Would it be in poor form to note that Hillary is still on the ballot?

The Average Joe said...

Baron I can't see how anyone could object to you using Barack Hussein Obama's full name.

Now, calling him Barking Insane Obama might tick some people off, so please refrain from doing so.

That's my gig.

no2liberals said...

So we have to refer to the candidate as He Whose Middle Name Shall Not Be Mentioned, and we can't refer to his connection to the Religion of the Perpetually Offended?
Okay, B-HO it is.

christian soldier said...

You all have said it all!


Thanks!

The Poster Formerly Known as Gordon said...

Well Baron, I came back onto your site to respond to your response, and VOILA! I find that our exchange has been promoted to its own thread!

First of all, although we disagree on many, many issues (but not all) I want to thank you for your thoughtful reply, which makes some very good points. It is quite a relief to deal with argumentative posters who actually rely on arguments rather than pointless insults (although some of your posters, I notice, tend to mix in a few ad hominems at times). As I used to post on another site that shall not be named, "No arguments, only insults, I win again!" That is definitively NOT the case here.

As for the substance of your reply, the summary of my objections is that all this talk about Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his alleged Islamic ties/Madrassa education obscures the real issues facing the U.S. in the upcoming American election campaign. And I suspect that they are the attempts of many who know that the tide of issue arguments is running against the Conservative mindset in 2008 to derail their loss on substance by resorting to personal attacks and ad hominem stretches and smears.

As for substance, I believe that John McCain would be a far better President than Barack Obama in our relations with foreign nations, and that Barack Obama would be a far better President than John McCain in dealing with the pressing domestic issues the U.S. faces. I must make up my mind which is more important, and which of the two candidates will do less damage than the other in their respective sphere of weakness.

I have no doubt you strongly disagree with my analysis, given your distaste for Democrats expressed above, but so be it.

Here's to more interesting discussions, debates, arguments, and occasional agreements, in the future.

Zenster said...

Ex-Gordon: the summary of my objections is that all this talk about Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his alleged Islamic ties/Madrassa education obscures the real issues facing the U.S. in the upcoming American election campaign.

For a brief moment let's pretend that Islam's declaration of war against the USA is not one of the most pressing political issues of all time. Given that, you go on to mention how:

I suspect that they are the attempts of many who know that the tide of issue arguments is running against the Conservative mindset in 2008 to derail their loss on substance by resorting to personal attacks and ad hominem stretches and smears.

Your second statement does not really answer the first. It is merely an attempt to tar those who hold Barrack Hussein Obama suspect—for a host of very good and justifiable reasons—with the brush of blind political allegiance or simple chicanery.

None of which explains how someone like me—a lifelong democratic party member who has never voted republican even once—still finds Onbama to be worse than odious due to his outright lies, wholly unacceptable spiritual guidence and near-criminal lack of transparency. All such objections on my part that you continue to leave unanswered even as you extol dealing "with argumentative posters who actually rely on arguments". This, despite my posing such concerns directly to you and having taken the time to categorically address past issues in dispute. So much for debate.

As for substance, I believe that John McCain would be a far better President than Barack Obama in our relations with foreign nations, and that Barack Obama would be a far better President than John McCain in dealing with the pressing domestic issues the U.S. faces. I must make up my mind which is more important, and which of the two candidates will do less damage than the other in their respective sphere of weakness.

Once again, despite delivering up some sort of palliative "answer", you refrain from actually taking the more important stand. Which function is of greater importance at this juncture, domestic or foreign policy?

At present the answer is much like comparing terrorism and abortion: One can be debated while there is absolutely no debate about the other. I find your lack of substantive position much akin to the waffling of Barrack Hussein Obama and it obliges me to grant you the same respect I feel for him, which currently stands at less than zero.

Baron Bodissey said...

Nodrog --

I still don’t hear a reason why mentioning “Hussein” (or not) is important. Why does it matter to you?

I do it because it represents something much, much larger to me — the likelihood that BHO would treat with the enemy, do damage to Israel, and possibly use the power of his office to ease up on Hamas, Hizbullah, and other terror networks that have sympathizers and front groups in this country.

I could be wrong about all this — maybe he’s just fine, and won’t do any of those things. But his far left background, his NOI connections, Wright, and his other associations are enough to give me pause.

“Hussein” and “Madrassa” are shorthand for those things. They are signs that represent the larger issue, which I believe is all-important. It beats nationalized preschools, health care, abortion, drilling in ANWR, and marginal tax rates all to hell.

Baron Bodissey said...

Zenster --

You’re a Democrat?

I shall have to reconsider my high esteem for you.

Seriously… I used to be a Democrat many years ago. I voted for a Democrat (the Hon. Virgil Goode) a number of times, until he finally became an independent and then a Republican.

But in the age of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, etc., how could you bear to do it? These people aren’t just liberals, they’re actively abetting the destruction of the country.

Republicans are appalling, but the Democrats are treasonous.

Bilgeman said...

Baron, nodgroG, and other GoV'ers:

I propose that henceforth, the candidate known as Barak Hussein Obama shall be dubbed "Tuvok"

You tell Me:

http://www.starfleet-knights.com/Pictures/tuvok.jpg

deadbambi said...

It's interesting to note that Zenster is a lifelong Democrat who seems to be voting Republican in 2008. Same here - first time ever. Gordon, we're not all right-wingers on this blog. I'm certainly not in many areas.

However, I am a "right-winger" when it comes to protecting our freedom and protecting our lives and way of life.
This single issue is more important than all the other issues combined; it's why I'm voting Republican in 2008.

I had an interesting experience at Whole Foods today. I was in the checkout line, there was a man behind me and a woman behind him. She was commenting on how nice it was to see a man buying flowers. The flirtation began with these 50-somethings and I was on my way. However, I forgot something so I went to get a couple of bottles of Yerba Mate Empower Mint (great stuff!) and went back to the same check-out line.

Now this man and woman were in a heated discussion, to the point of almost being an argument. I looked at the cashier and asked, "Which is for Obama?" The woman answered "I am for Obama, 100%. I can't believe I'm at Whole Foods, such an environmentally conscious place and he's voting for the party with the worst record on the environment!" I replied, "So am I." She looked shocked. I said, "Terrorism is a far more pressing issue in my opinion and the Democrats are not taking this threat seriously." The man she'd been flirting with, who was from somewhere in the British Isles, spoke again and said, "I'm an immigrant and left the US for awhile and I can't tell you how glad I am to be back." I commented that in England there is no free speech and people are getting arrested for hate speech if they disparage a group. The woman looked at me like I was crazy and the man spoke up and said, "Absolutely. There is no free speech anymore. America is the only country left that has free speech." The woman is now surrounded on both sides with health food eating, environmentally conscious people who are voting Republican in 2008.

The man departed and I was left to speak with this woman. She noticed the Matzo I was buying and mentioned she was also Jewish. I didn't get to say as much as I would've liked, but I mentioned his Muslim father - she denied he had a Muslim father - I insisted he was and named his tribe and let her know I knew what I was talking about (though I forgot to mention the Arab ancestry - I hate that when you think of things to say after the fact). I mentioned his ties to anti-Semites - she spoke about the Cincinatti Jewish community's strong endorsement of Obama - I replied that they've been fooled. Then I asked her how it is that Obama is a millionaire - he never practiced as a lawyer - he was simply a "community activist" and then Illinois State Senator, and then US Senator. She looked at me perplexed. Then she said, "Well his wife practiced law." I asked her, "How many 44 year old lawyers do you know who are millionaires?" She was speechless. I smiled and said, "Something to think about."

I think it's naive and immature to view Republicans as the "evil rich people" party as many people (including myself) were raised to believe. Sure, there are some Republicans who are like that. But then I look at George Soros and I realize it's on both sides.

For those who wonder why Jews tend to be Democrats, especially with so much Israel bashing and Jew blaming on the left, it's because many of us have been raised to believe that the Democrats are the only humanitarian party. Also, because the right-wing has had such such a stigma in the past with anti-Semitism, we really had no alternative but to be Democrats. Old habits die hard and when generation after generation is raised to believe that Republicans are evil liars who don sheets and burn crosses in private - it's hard to make the switch.

Back to Barack Hussein Obama, I don't see how an inexperienced junior Senator who has never had a real job, never run a company, has a history of bad associations, and has boldly lied numerous times during this campaign is going to be viable domestically or internationally. He literally has no experience. He has no practical knowledge about anything, really. He has ideas but they're not very well thought-out as to how he'll get some of his ideas done - other than burdening Americans some more with over the top taxes.

I've rambled enough.

Finally, Gordon, please explain to me how you think Obama would be better domestically than the others in a way that will not harshly burden the pockets of American citizens.

Thanks.

Dymphna said...

BTW, y'all, just to make the dust-up more entertaining, Barry Obama is not African American. His father was an Arab Kenyan, not an African one. And he wasn't a goat herder, either. Had a college education and a good position.

Did a lousy job not parenting his son, Barry, though. Another one of those phantom dads.

Another btw: Bammer is quite uneducated economically. He thinks raising taxes in a recession is a swell idea...omg.

Barry actually has a smidgen of African *American* blood on his mother's side -- back a ways. Nonetheless, for accuracy's sake he is an Arab American. No wonder his wife can't seem to contain her wrath about Barry, the home slob.

In other times, BO and Hillary would be good frieinds. BO likes angry women...for some reason.

Another btw: Bammer is not educated economically. He thinks raising taxes in a recession helps the economy.

I will refrain from ad hominem attacks, however. I just saw a picture of Bammer talking into a phone while holding it upside down. Maybe he receives his campaign wisdom that way?

VinceP1974 said...

Dymphna: that picture of Obama on the upside down is a photoshopped image. It's pretty good though isn't it?

But all is not lost.. I offer you this

video of Obama detestily lying about John McCain

You are now free to ad hominem on him.

no2liberals said...

Now dangit, y'all!
Now I need to add hominy to my shopping list.

In the event you haven't seen this video, it is an analysis of a B-HO focus group.

Natalie said...

Baron, thanks for posting this. I was hoping you'd address the poster formerly known as gordon's comments.

Dymphna, thanks for your comment. I was under the impression that B. Hussein Obama was a true African American (ugh, I hate that term, but it's applicable in this case). I hadn't realised his father was an Arab Kenyan.

And just for everyone, I definitely think the fact that Obama attended a Madrassa and has the middle name Hussein is important. Even though he goes to a Christian church, I personally think he is secretly still a Muslim. I mean, everyone who has officially left Islam is very vocal about it - look at Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I never heard Obama speak against Islam. And anyone who leaves Islam must die according to the Muslims. Last I heard, terrorists support Obama.

At this point in time, the absolute worst thing this country can have is a Muslim president, in my opinion.

Zenster said...

Wow, just WOW!

Baron: Zenster --

You’re a Democrat?

I shall have to reconsider my high esteem for you.


All joking aside, after Clinton's "define 'is'" horseradish, my democratic party membership was in tatters. I voted for Perot strictly as a message to the dems which, clearly, went unnoticed.

in the age of Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, etc., how could you bear to do it?

Since you have had the decency to publish my work at this venue, you most certainly deserve an explanation. My previous leanings were directed against the male chauvanist "good old boy" network and its big business corruption. Little did I suspect that helping elect women to dilute that male-dominated clique would introduce a viral infection of sickening proportions.

Murtha and Kerry et al were latecomers whose appearance only cemented my aversion to any further support for the democratic party. You deserve such an explanation from me. I am now a political independent.

deadbambi: It's interesting to note that Zenster is a lifelong Democrat who seems to be voting Republican in 2008. Same here - first time ever. Gordon, we're not all right-wingers on this blog. I'm certainly not in many areas.

Dahling, please be so kind as to pencil me in for your next love child.

Back to Barack Hussein Obama, I don't see how an inexperienced junior Senator who has never had a real job, never run a company, has a history of bad associations, and has boldly lied numerous times during this campaign is going to be viable domestically or internationally. He literally has no experience. He has no practical knowledge about anything, really. He has ideas but they're not very well thought-out as to how he'll get some of his ideas done - other than burdening Americans some more with over the top taxes.

Le bingo! You go girl!

Natalie: everyone who has officially left Islam is very vocal about it - look at Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I never heard Obama speak against Islam. And anyone who leaves Islam must die according to the Muslims. Last I heard, terrorists support Obama.

WHAMADOODLE!!!

At this point in time, the absolute worst thing this country can have is a Muslim president, in my opinion.

End of story and Obama has done diddly-squat to counteract such a notion. Therefore, the very worst case must be expected and that can only preclude any participation by Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.

Robohobo said...

deadbambi-

you said:

"Old habits die hard and when generation after generation is raised to believe that Republicans are evil liars who don sheets and burn crosses in private - it's hard to make the switch."

Okay, how to counter THAT lie in one easy lesson? Yeah, Hon. Robert Byrd (D-WV) Uh, and the Republicans were the ones who fought against slavery, not the Dems.

Conservative Swede said...

Dymphna and Zenster,

I do not know where you get your information from. Barack's father an Arab? No I don't think so. See this Wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.

Have a look at the picture, then read this:
"Barack Obama, Sr., was born in 1936 in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District (now in Bondo District), Kenya. His father, Hussein Onyango Obama (c. 1895-1979), belonged to the Luo tribe. Before working as a cook for missionaries in Nairobi, Onyango had travelled widely, enlisting in the British colonial forces during World War I and visiting Europe, India, and Zanzibar, where he converted from Christianity to Islam and added Hussein to his name."

Barack is truly an African American, and as I pointed out before. For him this Orwellian term actually makes sense.

More about his father:
"On February 2, 1961, Obama Sr. married a fellow student, Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii. She did not know that he already had a wife in Kenya. Their son, Barack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961. Two years later, Obama Sr. was accepted at Harvard for graduate study. He moved to Massachusetts, unable to afford to take his wife and son with him." (only because he declined a less prestigious offer that would have paid for them).

VinceP1974 said...

Conservative Swede , what does Obama's father's location of birth have to do with his ethnicity? Nothing.

Of Obama's 8 Great-Great-Grandparents on his dad's side, 7 are ethnic Arabs and one is ethnic black african.

Mikael said...

So, Bambi, how much do they charge for arugula in Whole Foods these days? :-)

deadbambi said...

Mikael,

I don't know about the arugula but the chopped liver was $7.99 a lb and the gefilte fish was $14.99 a lb - outrageous!

Zenster,

No love children allowed if Barack Hussein Obama becomes president - he'll probably sweep them up at birth and raise them in children's homes so they are properly indoctrinated - or maybe he'll be like China and decide we have enough female children and force people to destroy their female fetuses.

no2liberals said...

Conservative Swede
That's the problem with wiki, one can never fully rely on their info as being accurate. As a starting point, perhaps, to do further research, but not as an authoritative source.
For example, in the piece you quoted, didn't it strike you as odd, that it would say he was born in 1936, but enlisted in the British Colonial Forces in WWI?
There are numerous sources that cite B-HO Sr. as being of Arabic ancestry, one of them is in a link above in Zenster's link about his being a pathological liar.
Here is a more extensive discussion and research on his ancestry.
"Here is the truth about Mr. Obama's name, and his father's ancestors:

True Negro tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born have Christian names, not Arabic. His father's decision to name him with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic identity in Africa - it is done deliberately to separate him from the African tribes. He may live among them, but he is not one of them. His father's message is that he is Arabic, not Negro.

Many will find these truths unsettling. I'm often asked, "But I thought his father was Kenyan. How could Mr. Obama not be African-American, how could his ethnic composition be so Arabic?"

The definitive clue to that answer is to look at his name, his father's name, and the names of all his ancestors on his father's side. They are all Arabic.

Researching his roots reveal that on his father's side, he is descended from Arab slave traders. They operated under an extended grant from Queen Victoria, who gave them the right to continue the slave trade in exchange for helping the British defeat the Madhi Army in southern Sudan and the Upper Nile region."

John Savage said...

Interesting. It makes sense that Obama's father using Arab names would be a sign of wanting to pass himself off as an Arab -- whether that was really his ancestry or not.

Although No2Liberals, I think you misread what ConSwede quoted. It said that Barack Obama, Sr., was born in 1936, but it was the previous generation (the candidate's grandfather) who fought in WWI.

Zenster said...

no2liberals: There are numerous sources that cite B-HO Sr. as being of Arabic ancestry, one of them is in a link above in Zenster's link about his being a pathological liar.

Credit given where credit is due, you are the one who provided that link about Obama's prediliction for prevarication.

Arab father or not—although a significant factor—as I examined in One Drop of Liberal Blood, it is more the issue of how Obama himself continues to use race as a pivot point in his campaign that makes so much of this relevant.

This is especially so in light of his subscription to Jeremiah Wright's very Marxist flavored strain of Black Liberation Theology, the vast majority of which boils down to a polysyllabic version of "Git Whitey".

Amidst the swirl of so much anti-Western and anti-American sentiment, it is difficult in the extreme to partition Obama's own race and heritage from his politics. All the more so when he constantly injects it into his campaign. This is especially the case when his overall stance reflects an inordinate potential for very negative outcomes with respect to American race relations and foreign policy.

I doubt that I'm the only person here who senses—in Obama's routine lies and misrepresentations—a distinct odor of taqiyya and kitman. Few other motifs fit the pattern of his conduct (or misconduct) so well. In combination with his vaugueness and too frequently masked intentions all of this paints an extremely disturbing portrait and one that certainly should never be found hanging in the White House.

Does anyone else find it curious that Ex-Gordon could not manage to linger for any deeper discussion of his ill-limned positions? This, despite the Baron offering up a clear explanation of his own reasons.

John Savage said...

Conservative Swede, in the U.S. "African American" has a clearly defined meaning, which is a descendant of slaves brought to America prior to the abolition of slavery. Recent African immigrants and their descendants are not "African American".

Whether or not this usage is "Orwellian", it is the standard, uncontested usage.

no2liberals said...

john savage,
OOPS!
Thanks for the correction, I missed the jump from father to grandfather.
Which further illustrates why I should never violate my policy of posting without the first cup of coffee.

John Savage said...

Natalie,

It's possible that Obama is really a Muslim. He is certainly not a Christian in any recognizable sense.

As far as the whole question of saying "Barack HUSSEIN Obama", I very much support calling attention to this. I also recommend to everyone David Yeagley's work on Obama. Much of the argument boils down to: how can we expect such a person's loyalties to lie with America rather than the country where he sees his roots? Especially since he idolizes his absent father, while looking for every reason to hate his mother and grandmother? (For evidence on this last point, see Steve Sailer's columns at Vdare.)

no2liberals said...

john savage,
Mentioning his grandmother reminds me of a few things.
Recently, I googled "Obama's white grandmother" after he threw her under the bus in his absurd speech addressing the Reverend Wrong issue.
I came across a number of articles, but one from a year ago caught my eye. Free Obama's White Grandmother. Some writers are just way ahead of the curve.
Then there is an article from Ann Coulter from a week ago, that was interesting to me, as I have not, nor have any intention of reading any of B-HO's books, but she has.
Dreams from my father, lame excuses from my grandfather.
From her piece:
"Only after Obama had offered to drive his grandmother to work himself and it was becoming increasingly clear what a selfish lout the grandfather was, did Grandpa produce his trump card. The reason he wouldn't get his lazy butt dressed and drive Grandma to work was ... she was a racist!

As Obama recounts it, on Grandpa's third try at an excuse, he told Obama: "You know why she's so scared this time? I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black. That's the real reason she's bothered. And I just don't think that's right."


I had not heard that telling of his book's tale, and most likely because I don't know anyone who has read it. I imagine mostly adoring congregates of Obamania have, and would never tell it quite the same way, because the template is established, white grannies from her era are racist.

VinceP1974 said...

I can see not many people have read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book "Infidel"

She's from Somalia. In that part of the world, one's name is EVERYTHING.

It's like your entire lineage is encoded in your namesakes. Kenya is tradionally a Christian country which has taken in a lot of Muslims since the disintergration of Somalia.

Remember that picture of Obama in drag dressed like a Somali warlord? That was no accident.. that's the tribe he's from.

Conservative Swede said...

Vince,

As I already pointed out, but everybody so far has chosen to not pay attention to:

Have a look at this picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Barack_Obama_Sr_Jr.jpg

Also here and here you find pictures of BHO's father.

This is simply not the face of an Arab or a 87.5% Arab.

And here's the whole Al-Cosby family.

I get the impression that in this thread am dealing with the post-modern race-blind sort of people to whom it is taboo to even suggest that appearance would given any information of ethnicity.

Black people adapting Arabic names simply doesn't make them ethnically Arabic. The method of proof you apply here is same as the one used to "demonstrate" the height of Islamic culture in the "golden era": "Look at all the Islamic astrologers!"

... well have a look and you find that they all where Perisians behind Arabic names.

Conservative Swede said...

John Savage,

"People's Republic" is also a term with a clearly defined meaning. None the less reason to mock it's usage.

To a non-American the term "African American" is utterly ridiculous and literally fumes of anxious political correctness and multiculti propaganda.

What is considered neutral and "standard, uncontested usage" inside a specific glass bubble is of little importance. E.g Pallywood facades are considered uncontestedly neutral in Sweden (to the left as well as to the right). This is how propaganda works. This is how brainwashing works.

Brainwashed people are bound to act very stupidly. I'm having big laughs at their expenses.

VinceP1974 said...

Conservative Swede:

Take a look at this picture

Can that possibly be the face of African/Arab American?

Conservative Swede said...

OK, so the common (uncontested!) wisdom at Gates of Vienna is that BHO's father was an Arab (even though his skin was black as an Irish stout).

And now this "proven" by showing a photo av BHO's mother...???

I have checked my calendar and it's not April 1. So I have to conclude that people really are this messed up in their minds, or that they are deliberately playing clowns here.

Or Vince, maybe this is what you missed:
Even though the person in the picture is named Stanley, it is not the father of BHO! A man's name does not imply that it is a man, you have to check the person. Likewise, an Arabic name does not imply that it's an Arab, you have to check the person.

Afonso Henriques said...

Obama's father's black. He is not Arab. He is African. Many Sudanese claim to be "Arabs" but in fact they are at most half Arabs. No Arab would acept a Sudanese among them as an Arab.

Therefore, it is ridiculous t say that Obama's dad is Arab.

It is a childish way of lookng at things.

This people's mentality is:

All the black people are good people, all the arabs and muslims are bad people. So, and bcause blacks are one of ours and we are all multiculturalists, we can not say that we don't like this or that because he is black, so Arab it will be!

Arab

African from Kenyan

It is stupid, PC and racist.
Personally I do not judge persons by their ethnicity, I judge them by their actions and for what they actually are.

I can not see nothing wrong about Barack Obama's paternal heritage.

What scares me is his maternal heritage. I don't want a son of that "woman" to govern the U.S.A. and consequently the world.

I despize Barack Hussein Obama and his mother, I do not despize his father.

As far as I can tell, Obama's father didn´t really cared about his half whte son. He had already a REAL woman in Africa. He had a family there.
Obama's mother was just the way Obama's father got to get rid off English colonialism and American imperialism once at all.

It was perhaps just a casual and effective way of literally f*ck*ng the English and the Americans by leaving his seed in a white English speaking woman's womb, especially a beautifull, inteligent and of good family. Especially in such a era as were the sixties and the late fifties concerning racial relatons in the U.S.A.

Those of you who can see love in this "rape mentality"... I admire you people!

Zenster said...

Con Swede, just in case no one else is being clear, I would say "yes", it certainly appears that Obama's father is more African than Arab.

I'm hoping that you understand why I haven't been paying such close attention to this dispute. If you read “One Drop of Liberal Blood”, you'll understand why my own concerns go well beyond putative ethnicity and address much more significant issues such as how modern liberals shamelessly manipulate voters and the public using even the most discredited and bigoted racialist tools imaginable.

I'd much rather hear your own opinions regarding these transparent ploys than see any of us bicker over Obama's ancestry. There are far more important tasks at hand.

no2liberals said...

I think some have gotten the perception that all of this inquiry into B-HO and his ancestry, matters more than what he stands for ideologically. For my part, if I decide to examine something, I look for all the info, and in B-HO's case, there is certainly a convoluted past in heritage, but most importantly in his political indoctrination.
Back to what originally instigated this examination of all things B-HO, is the fact that he purports to be an African-American, and not an American, completely ignoring his Caucasian ancestry, and familial involvement. To me, in the sense he had no or little involvement with his actual father, and was born to a Caucasian and raised in a Caucasian home, he would be more Caucasian than Black. B-HO is the one who has introduced and fanned the flames of racialism in this campaign, which his past and his wife's statements, illustrate his and her obsession with the matter. I contend that most Americans aren't that interested in the issue, especially when it comes to public office, but rather, is the person of good character, has sound judgement, an understanding of the challenges, and the temperament to deal with the inevitable crises that will arise.
In B-HO's case, I believe he has demonstrated that he doesn't possess the qualities I just outlined, and further, that he is a Marxist-Leninist to his core, and therefore anathema to the American way of life.
One point on his policy positions is, he proposes a single-payer universal health care model for the U.S., despite the empirical evidence from around the world that it doesn't work, and despite a recent Rasmussen Report Poll that indicates only 29% in this country support such a plan.
Just Say No To B-HO!

Kafir_Kelbeh said...

Ex-Gordon: As for substance, I believe that John McCain would be a far better President than Barack Obama in our relations with foreign nations, and that Barack Obama would be a far better President than John McCain in dealing with the pressing domestic issues the U.S. faces. I must make up my mind which is more important, and which of the two candidates will do less damage than the other in their respective sphere of weakness.

Did you watch the debates at all last week? If you did, then you missed the fact that BHO would be far worse than McCain, not better, on domestic issues.

Gibson on Wednesday made it perfectly clear that increases in capital gains taxes hurt low & middle income families, yet BHO insisted he would increase taxes in a possible recession out of fairness.

That language smacks of BHO's Marxist perspective, from his early Alinsky training, regular association with domestic terrorist Ayers, and his 'religious' conversion 20 years ago to Black Liberation Theology (with heavy Marxist roots that is prevalent in African nations).

Ex-Gordon, you have to decide if you want a Marxist in the White House with a sense of entitlement and tons of arrogance. There's already the feel that you're not allowed to criticize BHO, and that's smacks of the USSR to me. That's a no-go. Give me McCain.

Zenster said...

Just dropping in to note how Ex-Gordon cannot bring himself to answer the polite challenges to his own position. I wanted to point it out before this thread slides over the event horizon.

Note to Ex-Gordon, your lack of honorable participation makes it particulary easy to ignore any future comments you might make. You've brought this upon yourself and deserve it. I invite you to please refrain from wasting my time and that of others with your undefended twaddle. To participate in such bad faith is extremely ill-mannered and boorish.