Sunday, April 20, 2008

Farewell to St. George

St. GeorgeIn recent years there has been some discussion among the multicultural elites in the UK about getting rid of St. George’s Cross as a national symbol and replacing it with something a little more inclusive, a little more welcoming to the “New Britons”, and a little less… well, you know, a little less Christian.

After all, old chap, the symbol is redolent of the Crusades and all that, so we’d be better off with something a little more nondescript, don’t you think? And including a star and a crescent in the design wouldn’t hurt, either.

Naturally, if we’re going to give up that nasty old cross, the traditional St. George’s Day parade will have to go, too.

According to The Daily Mail:

Cancelled on police advice: St George’s Day parade through the Bradford race-riot zone

A St George’s Day parade through an inner-city area hit by race riots has been cancelled following police advice.

Community groups had planned to stage the multi-cultural event in Bradford and 1,500 schoolchildren were due to take part.

Many of the youngsters had already made flags of St George to carry on the parade on April 23, which was designed to boost community cohesion.

But last week police and council chiefs told the organisers that the event could not go ahead as planned for ‘health and safety’ reasons. At a meeting, police demanded a shorter route which avoided two streets at the centre of the race riots in 2001.

As a result, organisers have decided to call off the event, which was due to attract more than 10,000 people.
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Bradford City councillor Quasim Khan said: “We were told by the police at the meeting that the original route had not been risk assessed and if we wanted a march to go ahead on that date, St George’s Day, we would have to accept a smaller, different route.

“The police officers were getting quite animated, saying things like ‘look, this just isn’t going to happen’.” Police and council officials said they did not have sufficient warning of the event.

However, community leaders planning the parade said the event was blighted because of fears it could stoke up violence. They claimed a police inspector had actually begun the plans for the parade nine months ago.

The Rev Tony Tooby, chairman of governors at St Philips primary school, which was due to take part, said: “We wanted the route to include where some of the riots had taken place to educate our young people.

“The police and council just kept telling us that the reason for their objection was ‘health and safety’. They proposed another route which was ridiculously short. The march would have been over before it began.

“Unfortunately, there’s a fear that someone may have used it to cause violence.

“The day seems to have been taken away from us because of fears of thugs. “The council and police say something could go ahead on July 1, but it won’t be a St George’s Day celebration.’

So the non-Muslims of Bradford have been successfully mau-maued.

Or did they mau-mau themselves? Once there have been enough violent reactions by the Religion of Peace, the pre-emptive appeasers are always ready to give a mile to the Islamists before they demand even the first inch.

“But given the involvement of 1,500 children, including six and seven-year-olds, we suggested a slightly safer route. It’s not about banning any march. We’ve got a responsibility to look after our children.”

Oh yes, that’s the way to look after the children, all right. Demonstrate to them that the rule of law has no meaning in certain parts of England, and that violent thugs will always get their way.

Great object lesson, that.


Hat tip: HTP.

29 comments:

Dymphna said...

"it’s not about banning any march. We’ve got a responsibility to look after our children."

Hmm...someone sent them Hillary's "Automatic Responses for All Occasions."

I believe that's the one on pg 59,

"it's all about the children. That's a good chapter. A bit shopworn, but easy to memorize the talking points.

Sra Scherzophrenic said...

heh, Dymphna. I can't wait for Pat Condell's response to this new yawner of an outrage. Hulloh? Does anyone care over there?

Bilgeman said...

Lionheart would march.

KG said...

The thugs have won. All that's left is for Brits to accept the new reality and realise that they no longer own that little island.

whiskey_199 said...

Message to Britons: Muslims own your country, you are second class people in your own land.

This is what you would call in Marxist terms "pre-revolutionary" conditions.

Do I hear a horse?

Semaj Mahgih said...

In recent years there has been some discussion among the multicultural elites in the UK about getting rid of St. George’s Cross as a national symbol and replacing it with something a little more inclusive, a little more welcoming to the “New Britons”, and a little less… well, you know, a little less Christian.

Only thing I'd correct you on here is that the St George Cross is England's flag, not the UK's.

Findalis said...

I'm beginning to believe that Great Britain isn't British anymore. The last time I was there you couldn't find a place to have tea, there were no fish and chips places and now no Cross of St. George.

Wake up Britain! You are being turned into the Islamic Republic of Britain! Pretty soon Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth will be forced to wear a burqa along with all the other women in the land. Pretty soon it will be illegal to be an atheist, a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Jew or a Wiccan. Pretty soon the Taliban will rule your land.

For God Sake, Wake Up and smell the bombs being built.

Diamed said...

If they really cared about their children, they would drive out the invaders and the parasites and the traitors, so that their children would have a future and not be the last hunted remnants of the past. What have they ever done for their children? They won't even bother having any. Cowards and hypocrites all.

Diamed said...

Oh and if they Do have any, they're out of wedlock, or the parents just divorce anyway. I'm sure that's just one more act for the good of the children. I also hear social security and medicare taxes that go sky high in order to fund the last years of the elderly are also good for the children. Spare me.

Graham Dawson (Archonix) said...

Bradford is set to be the first majority muslim city in the UK according to reports I've read, so this doesn't surprise me. The police, the council, all muslim these days...

In a few years they'll be framing these things in a similar way to the Northern Ireland problem, casting Christians and natives as the new Orangemen, who were never positively portrayed in the press.

But... it must be borne in mind that this is just one city. And yes, whilst this is a terrible thing, you can't claim from the experience of just one city that the entire country is lost. If anything, the day Bradford becomes majority muslim will be another impetus for the rest of us to start acting.

Basically you're kidding yourself if you think we'll let it happen. :)

VinceP1974 said...

But... it must be borne in mind that this is just one city. And yes, whilst this is a terrible thing, you can't claim from the experience of just one city that the entire country is lost.

If you say so. That's how Persia was taken. Assimilated city after assimilated city. With rapidly increasing speed as time goes by.


Basically you're kidding yourself if you think we'll let it happen

Riiiiiiiight. You've let things get this far.. it will only be more difficult to handle in the future. Why should anyone think that you're (not you specifically) are going to do anything?

Graham Dawson (Archonix) said...

Well, with all due respect, we aren't Persia. You need to understand the English character. First, we're willing to give anything the benefit of the doubt, usually a good deal more than it might strictly deserve. We're fond of eccentricity and, to start with, the whole image of the middle east appealed to us as a wildly eccentric, odd, quaint thing. We're a nation of experimenters, in that we keep trying some things in as many ways as we can think of before abandoning them, just to be sure there isn't so magic formula. We're patient, inasmuch as we see bad behaviour and sit aside, waiting to see when or if it will subside; and inasmuch as we will wait until the very bitter end before laying judgement on people we used to respect. And, at the end, we're ruthless. It was us that firebombed Dresden when the Americans were hemming and hawing at the idea. It was us that massacred the sikhs in the Sutlej simply to prove a point. We're really not very nice people, at heart, which is why we're so very polite all the time.

You might say all that is the past and that we're different now. Our leaders are different, for sure. They're a bunch of weak incompetent fools desperately attempting to cling to power even as they hand it away to the EU, but the people are still the same stock. In the few times our leaders have proven powerless, we simply killed them and started over. They're very close to proving that now. They're screweing over the forces for political reasons, talking about putting the squeeze on alcohol now that smoking is banned (you might not realise how important that is to the working classes). When the full impact of Lisbon goes through, when Bradford starts declaring itself some sort of islamic haven, that's when it'll happen, and it'll seem to be very surprising because it'll seem to come out of nowhere, when in reality it's been boiling away for an age. Americans like to think they're slow to rouse and ruthless in their anger but they're like firecrackers compared to us.

That's why I have the faith this won't just be another Islamic conquest, even if it appears that way now. :)

NJArtist said...

No, England will not rise up: there might be small riots here or there; but, there is no leader of any moral force -- a Cromwell -- that will rise up, because there is no longer a moral force in England.

As for the United States, the same: even now the establishment is taking out the fringe groups; they are eliminating the sources of alternative moral authority.

As for all you gun owners: you have to co-ordinate your activities and form groups; and, the police will soon know about it: the very people you need to recruit, ex-military, will contain the informants. As for the myth that American troops will not fire upon their own kind: you need to get acquainted with American history. As for the police: remember the Weavers. And now you can ponder the illegal police action against the fringe group in Texas: did anyone hear a single police officer complain against the action?

Baron Bodissey said...

Semaj --

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't St. George's Cross one of the components of your national flag, the Union Jack? Which is a composite, designed to represent all the elements of the United Kingdom.

That's what I was talking about -- there are people who want to get St. George's Cross (and probably the other ones, too) out of the Union Jack.

Bilgeman said...

njartist:

"As for all you gun owners: you have to co-ordinate your activities and form groups; and, the police will soon know about it: the very people you need to recruit, ex-military, will contain the informants."

Been there done that. Wow, it looks the UberFrauFuhrer really IS going to win the election, we'll have Clinton redux, complete with militias, angry white men etcetera...creepy.

"As for the myth that American troops will not fire upon their own kind: you need to get acquainted with American history."

Oh, they certainly might...once or twice. The thing to remember though, is that if that happens, then Americans will fire back.

Here's the math: there are over 60 million private gun-owners in the US.
If only 1% of those gun-owners become radicalized enough to offer armed resistance, that's an insurgency of 600,000 guerillas, fighting on their own ground, and within their own culture.
The Regualr Army posts a 2007 strength of just over half a million, and the combat arms are but a fraction of that number.

I'd observe the difficulties that US forces are facing in Iraq, where the insurgency fields far less than that, and the core are foreigners in that land.

It might be long and bloody, but ultimately, the militia would win. And US forces would never recover from it.

NJArtist said...

"Oh, they certainly might...once or twice. The thing to remember though, is that if that happens, then Americans will fire back."

1. Shay's Whiskey Rebellion: who won?
2. John Brown: who won?
3. Union strikes vs army and private security: who won?
4. The Bonus Army march faced armed troops: who won?
5. Koresh and followers resisted improper search for weapons: who won?
6. Randy Weaver vs ATF: it was a set up by ATF; who won?
7. Last week: fringe group and fraudulent phone call; has the removal of children stopped? No. On lucianne.com the comments on this supposedly conservative site run against the fringe and for removing and deprogramming the women and children. A para-military police force won.
8. The white identity (not black or Muslim, mind you) groups: every so often you hear of a group going down.

What is not being stopped: NOI armed camps; Black Panthers (new incarnation), Muslims (in mosques?).

What kind of firepower can you bring against a SWAT team? You cannot even own some of the guns they have; you cannot even own the non-lethal weapons they carry. You will need to smuggle arms in to get around the law: from whom? The Chinese? You'll be co-opted so damn fast your head will spin until it is stopped by a Chinese cadre's bullet to you temple. The same goes for Russia. Don't expect the EU; they side with the establishment.

Stephen Gash said...

The greatest threat to England is Britain.

The deadliest enemies of the English are the British.

English nationalism is waxing strong. England will be awash with the Red and White crosses of St George.

Afonso Henriques said...

Well England, when Btitannia and Boudica are kneeling to the saracen or whoever non English, you can at least be sure that St. George left a legacy in Southern lands.

This beauty and this beauty that happen to be the same.

It has St. George (São Jorge) as name and as a reminder of how hard it was to expell the muslims out of here. A reminder of the precious help from the Nortwestern Islands. This beauty is right in the centre of Lisbon and somewhere near here was a gigantic flag of St. George last summer in celebration of the crusaders against the moors. I don't really know if it is usual to have a great St. George flag here or there but sometimes one can see the flag.
Your flag, England, is immortal!

Bilgeman said...

njartist:

"What kind of firepower can you bring against a SWAT team? You cannot even own some of the guns they have; you cannot even own the non-lethal weapons they carry."

You seem pretty pessimistic, chum. I would ask you then, why you instructed us to do this:

"As for all you gun owners: you have to co-ordinate your activities and form groups;".

Whatever for? To make mass-arrests easier?

"1. Shay's Whiskey Rebellion: who won?"

NASCAR.

"2. John Brown: who won?"

His cause...abolition.

"3. Union strikes vs army and private security: who won?"

Labor and Communists,(for a while), though their day is over.

"4. The Bonus Army march faced armed troops: who won?"

FDR's New Deal and veterans ever since.

"5. Koresh and followers resisted improper search for weapons: who won?"

Second Amendment activists and Libertarians of the upper and lower case varieties...I haven't noticed any new Federal gun control policies since 1995, have you?

"6. Randy Weaver vs ATF: it was a set up by ATF; who won?"

ATF no longer exists, it is now the BATFE,(that's usually a pretty good indicator that a bureaucracy has been defeated), and Weaver received a very big check from Uncle for his pain and loss. Not to mention that it was his travails that woke a lot of people up to the vipers we clasp to our bosom.

By a whisker, Weaver.

"7. Last week: fringe group and fraudulent phone call; has the removal of children stopped? No. On lucianne.com the comments on this supposedly conservative site run against the fringe and for removing and deprogramming the women and children. A para-military police force won."

Haven't been following it closely, I'd say at the moment that it's too early to tell.

"8. The white identity (not black or Muslim, mind you) groups: every so often you hear of a group going down."

Ah yes, the racialists... in a different category, to my mind, than a militia, but for arguments' sake, I'll concede the point.

In response, i'd observe that for every group that runs afoul of the law, more seem to sprout up anew.

There's a lesson in that.

And btw, as to your query about what can be accomplished against a SWAT team:

Let's just say that i'm not in the habit of educating my opponents to my capabilities.
But I will observe that if the members of a SWAT team would turn against their community, they had better go "in for a pound" and totally sequester themselves from that community.

In times like those, there is no being a cop or a soldier for a few hours each day. You might as well have your occupation tattooed across your forehead.
And if you're in the business of using your weapons and training against American civilians, you'd better not have any civilians of your own to worry about, because there will be NO SUCH THING as a noncombatant.

Timothy McVeigh, I think, demonstrated where that leads...
that's why no-one with an IQ over room temperature wants to "go there".

Ginro said...

It isn't just Bradford. The police have put paid to a St Georges Day parade in Wigan as well:

Manchester Evening News

Stephen Gash said...

Semaj said "Only thing I'd correct you on here is that the St George Cross is England's flag, not the UK's."
Yes, but it not only English people who attempted to get rid of the Cross of St George. Other UKers like Welshman Rowan Williams attempted to replace St George and the flag with one or more English born saints, like St Albans.
It found short shrift and has quietly been dropped.
England and the English are under a relentless onslaught by so-called fellow Brits and quisling English political, media and religious leaders.
England will be independent in a very few years.
It will be completely free of sharia law too. Completely free.
English Common Law will be returned and the Euro-Caledonian Roman law stealthily being introduced will be consigned to the wastebin where it belongs.

Ginro said...

Not strictly speaking true Stephen. At the time I wrote to the Archbishop of Yorks office and received a very nice reply from the Venerable John Barton and here is part of the reply:

To the best of my knowledge, the newspaper articles about getting rid of St George were based on a question which was due to be asked at last weekend’s General Synod. Any member of Synod is entitled to ask any question they like. The fact that a question is to be asked, does not imply a general policy or even an upsurge of popular opinion. I do not know the person who was due to ask the question, so I cannot say if this is a personal quirk of his or even a bit of mischief. In the end, there were far too many questions for them all to be answered in the time allocated and this one was never put (unless I was asleep at the time!)

So really it appears the newspapers just blew it up out of proportion.

Graham Dawson (Archonix) said...

Stephen - monarchy or republic? Just curious you understand.

nikolai said...

The critical thing from the Euro experience is what happens when all the traditional political parties form a consensus.

The "normal" method of expressing dissent gets completely shut out. There has to be another party outside of that consensus for people to rally around and that takes time to form and grow.

Americans should be already trying to start some kind of third party to the right of the Republicans.

Stephen Gash said...

Ginro. It was proposed by a lowly figure. Rowan Williams answered questions to the press about elevating St Alban's status, though not necessarily at the expense of St George.
This is how the establishment works in England now. A proposal is leaked by someone as junior as possible, public opinion tested and the decision whether to go ahead based upon it.
The "out of time" excuse was a neat get-out.
The police seem to be the enmy at the moment. They are banning St George's parades all over the place it seems on health and safety "reasons". Each part of the establishment takes its turn, but all will fail.
England and St George will always be there, long after the UK the EU and Islam have passed away.

VinceP1974 said...

proposal is leaked by someone as junior as possible, public opinion tested and the decision whether to go ahead based upon it.

The Clintons did this in the 1990s. I wonder how many tactics were shared between the Dems and NuLab in the 90s.

Ginro said...

Well clearly they forgot that very important process when the Archbishop proposed that we should adopt sharia law in the UK.
They also ignored that process again when not only clergy stated the AofC should resign but that feeling was supported by large members of the public.

David M said...

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shokk said...

St George's parade will become like the Orange Walk in Northern Ireland and will fade away. More quickly I think, because participants will either be stoned or beheaded on the spot, rather than protested against.