Saturday, November 24, 2007

When Black Friday Comes

The Neo-Nazi Cabal

The above photo was recovered from an archive through the dedicated sleuthing of a Gates of Vienna operative. In it you can see (L to R) Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, and Jimmy Carter. You can also see that the four men are smiling, enjoying themselves, and even sharing a toast.

Take note: Former President Jimmy Carter can be seen sharing a white power moment with three extreme-right American Nationalists.

Mr. Carter is associated here with the racist Ronald Reagan, and — even more significantly — with the paleo-Nazi Richard Nixon, the Lord of the Underworld, the Prince of Darkness, SATAN HIMSELF!

I have no definitive information about what Jimmy Carter was doing there with those other men, but his presence in the photo certainly raises questions which need to be answered. Otherwise, Mr. Carter risks damaging the Democrat Party and the entire trans-national progressive movement.

I don’t know about you, but I’m going to be leery in the future of supporting Cynthia McKinney, Michael Moore, Hugo Chavez, and even Fidel Castro. All of these people would be well advised to disavow any association with such a questionable figure.

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The ongoing hostility towards the Center for Vigilant Freedom was renewed last night in another Little Green Footballs post, this one directing its fire at the country report on Belgium given at Counterjihad Brussels 2007 by Filip Dewinter of Vlaams Belang.

The report itself was a concise and useful summary of the grave crisis that Belgium faces from a massive influx of unassimilated Muslim immigrants. An excerpt:

In Brussels more than one fifth of the municipal councillors are now immigrants of non-European origin. Most of them are Muslims, and most of them have been elected as Socialists, though many have also been welcomed as Christian-Democrat trade unionists on the lists of the Christian-Democrat Party.

But, if one believes the accusations hurled at Mr. Dewinter, the taint of his associations invalidates his message and precludes us from paying attention to it.

The LGF post went on to recycle the same old accusations against Dewinter, including the ludicrous funeral photo, in which Mr. Dewinter attended a funeral which Jean-Marie Le Pen also attended.

Which reminds me — I remember seeing Jimmy Carter standing next to George H. W. Bush at Richard Nixon’s funeral!

Case closed.

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A reader tipped me to the LGF post, so this morning, for the first time in weeks, I actually read an LGF comment thread. I noticed at least three commenters in open rebellion against the lizardoid party line, with the leader very much in evidence commenting against them and throwing contemptuous insults in their direction.

It reminded me of a group of hobbits holding fast in defiance against the Nazgûl.

Concerning the issue of Vlaams Belang, the three commenters — Jeppo, Blogagog, and EtNorskTroll — said it better than I can, so I will simply quote excerpts below:

From Jeppo:
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You have to remember that Dewinter was just one delegate among the 80 or so from more than a dozen European countries plus the US, Canada and Israel at the Counterjihad Summit. Just to list some of the anti-jihadist worthies in attendance: Bat Ye’or, Spencer, Bostom, Eldad, Littman, Sookhdeo, Fjordman, Ekeroth, Geller, Bodissey, Kepiblanc, Conservative Swede, etc. This conference was also supported by mainstream US conservatives like Diana West and Richard Miniter. This was not in any way, shape or form a fascist-friendly event.

…LGF should be one of the worldwide leaders of this movement, not self-marginalized because of disagreements with only one of its members.

[…]

This split has left LGF and few others on one side, and virtually the entire anti-jihadist movement on the other. The VB and SD along with several other similar European political parties will continue to grow as Europe continues to Islamize. Most conservatives recognize this and welcome it. The ones who don’t will gradually become irrelevant. The Vlaams Belang are your allies whether you like it or not.

[…]

It’s not about you or me supporting the VB, it’s about the 800,000 (and growing fast) Flemings who do. It is them, not us, who are pro actively standing up against the Islamic immigration invasion of their country. This is why they are applauded by serious anti-jihadists everywhere. Hopefully one day soon the artificial and corrupt nation of Belgium will split up, and an independent Flanders will have a VB government that will stop Muslim immigration once and for all. Maybe you will disapprove of this. I won’t.

From Blogagog:

I’m not a white nationalist, and I support Israel pretty much as strongly as I support America (well, close). But you are really misrepresenting potential allies against islamofascism, and I think I’ve seen enough.

LGF, once a uniting force of all who support an end to islamic supremacism, jihadism, and terrorism, is developing a 1984 attitude. Frankly, I’m creeped out.

You will no doubt ban me for saying this (I’ve seen examples of bannings for lesser slights) but STOP DIVIDING THE GOOD GUYS! Is it wrong to be a fan of the Democrats since Robert Byrd was in the KKK? Of course not. He grew, and got over that. It IS wrong to support the Democrats, but for entirely different reasons.

So why is it wrong to support VB if some of its members were scumbags in the past? EVERY political movement has scumbags in its past. As an American, I support the Flemish as much as I support the Israelis. Danes, Swedes, likewise.

From EtNorskTroll:

I was trying to stick up for sense and reason. This schism benefits no one except the Jihadis….and that angers me to no end.

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Even as there is no racially pure group, there is also no politically pure group, ‘multi culturally thinking’ or otherwise. Life is all about compromise. Adults know this. It is only children who are allowed the luxury of indulging in absolutes.

Charles Johnson has made an encouraging gesture by allowing these comments to remain on the thread and by not banning the commenters. His magnanimity gives me hope that the current unpleasantness is in the process of winding down.

47 comments:

Zerosumgame said...

OT - Unfortunately, it looks like the Aussies have surrendered in the War on Terror, from the Election results today.

Maybe those Muslims who rioted at Cronulla knew what they were doing after all.

And all this time, I thought it was the French who would surrender to Islamist thugs at the polls, not the Aussies.

Reliapundit said...

OT:

RE: LGF:

A SOLID DEFENSE OF VB AND GOV.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2007/11/proof-from-russia-that-charles-johnson.html

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2007/11/
proof-from-russia-that-charles-johnson.html

KGS said...

I think what creeps me out the most is the "lap dog" mentality these "lizards" have towards Charles, it's dripping with "trying to please the BOSS", a real cult of personality.

Slip up once and the wrecking crew appears to "set you right" with alot of baiting and roughing up along the way, hoping to make you "slip up" so they can really get to work on you!

Charles kept asking Jeppo whether he belonged to a nationalist group in Cananda. That went on for about 8-10 times until Jeppo replied that he wasn't. LIAR was CJ's response.

He wasn't interested in Jeppo's response, just the one which was already in his own mind. "LIAR / GUILTY"

Conservative Swede said...

KGS,

Well yeah, it's disgusting isn't it? I already wrote about this incident of Charles bullying Jeppo in another thread:

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Charles "the inquisitor" just had a go at Jeppo. As a real inquisitor Charles knows the truth about Jeppo better than Jeppo himself.

Jeppo has been repeatedly attacked, smeared, and personally insulted in degrading language at LGF, but stood his ground. He never attacked or insulted anyone. But this was too much for Charles, he cannot tolerate even a single commenter declining to accept his opinion. So he feels the need to put his whole weight on top of Jeppo.

It's amazing what a complete a**hole will get away with if he's only putting himself at the front of an angry "anti-Nazi" mob. If he's the first throwing the stone at a perceived racist. Whatever happened to good Christian values?

Tammy Bruce wrote about this congressman that who was raping and abusing women he worked with, but nobody came out against him because he was pro-abortion. This is the same thing. The congressman in the book of Tammy Bruce however, for some reason, changed his position on abortion, and then suddenly all hell broke loose.

It's the same with Nazi connections in Europe. Due to our history, they are all over the place and found in every party. But as long as the party is in favour of cultural suicide by Islamization and mass immigration, nobody comes after them.

This is what kind of a sick world we live in.
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It's a good thing though that this empty colossus has regressed into focusing on bullying a defenseless commenter he's got cornered in his personal echo/torture chamber. This shows clearly how weak he has become and how rapidly his world has shrunk.

AngleofRepose said...

Sort of O/T ~

Ploome hineni in 2004:

163 ploome hineni 11/09/04 9:35:59 pm reply quote report 0

161 ereshkigal

who, in Europe, were NOT nazi collaborators?


wahabicorridor and Poitiers-Lepanto in 2007

675 Poitiers-Lepanto 11/24/07 9:14:35 am reply quote report 0

re: #665 wahabicorridor


Atlas' site too- she of the "Who wasn't a Nazi collaborator?!" comment.*

*That particular slur will stand as a singular monument to all that is grotesque

Ditto


Watch out ploome! They'll turn on you like they did Atlas..

Heh.

Underzog said...

When I mentioned that I worked for the late, Rabbi Meir Kahane, Zt"l, Master Charles acted as if I was excrement stuck on his shoe heel. That buckin' fastard thinks he is so great? Did he march for Soviet Jews? Did he do activism for Ethiopian Jews as my group did? I don't need a guy who does his fighting just from a computer to sneer at me.

When he ridiculed me I lost my temeper in print (something I try not to do)and I was banned.

But a lot of people went with me and Kahane's idea of kicking out the Arabs from Israel is the solution to the demographic problem. I have lots of family members who live in Israel.

spackle said...

I am not a commenter on LGF and really didnt even know who they were up until a few months ago. After reading some of the comments over there in regards to this whole VB thing and hearing of bannings and such it really is taking up all the hallmarks of a cult. Here is a quote on the definition of a cult. Draw your own conclusions.

"Psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton, who wrote the definitive book about thought reform (often called "brainwashing") also wrote a paper about cult formation. Lifton defined a cult as having the following three characteristics:"

"1.A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power."



"2.A process [is in use] call[ed] coercive persuasion or thought reform."



"3.Economic, sexual, and other exploitation of group members by the leader and the ruling coterie."

Thankfully none of that stuff(#3) can or will happen, this being cyberspace. The worst case scenario is banning. Or being intellectually ganged up on.

Conservative Swede said...

Spackle,

Maybe it's a sort of Jim Jones cult heading for collective suicide? At least that's what a Danish friend suggested to me in an email.

Ed Mahmoud said...

Maybe it is winding down. I think it all came, originally, from a former LGF regular, Atlas Shrugs, disagreeing with Charles. If he had just tossed out his opinion that the VB and SD (he seems to have evntually dropped the SD, based on even a hint of supporting evidence that they have had any links to White Power/Nazi types in any meaningful way in the 21st Cnetury) and it had slid, he would have moved on. But, as seen in his comments about me being a two faced backstabber when I took my concerns about his daily Two Minute Hate of Fjordman to another blog, he has a big ego, but a delicate one, and a very thin skin. To the point of paranoia. He refers to the GCP people that were banned as 'creeps'.

Atlas spoke up, outraged his sensibilities, and he has been on the jihad against the counter-jihad ever since.



I will say, the Nixon-LePen comparison is a shade unfair, although we have learned from the Nixon tapes that despite putting Jews in positions of power in his cabinet, like Henry Kissinger, he was at least somewhat suspicious of Jews, if not outright antisemitic. Yet he chose to come to the aid of Israel when almost all of Europe cowered in fear of the Arab oil merchants (I believe the Dutch showed courage, but I haven't looked it up lately) during the 1973 war.


Actually, from what I understand, Richard Nixon was a man who was right about communism and its threat in the 1950s and 1960s, and wasn't really a bad person, but let paranoia and ego get the better of him.

Not that I'm calling any blog owners Nixonian. That would trivialize Nixon, after all.

Ed Mahmoud said...

Paranoid blog owner bans another anti-jihad blog:

http://1389blog.com/2007/11/24/it-is-time-to-punt-little-green-footballs/#comment-1978

Archonix said...

Actually, re: australia, the more likely reason is simply apathy with the incumbent administration. Parliamentary democracies suffer from this even more than the American representative system, since the majority legislative party also forms the executive. Howard is the second longest serving Prime Minister in Australian history. People eventually vote for the other side just to see a change of face. I don't believe the Islamic thing had that much to do with the results, especially since it seems likely that immigration policies will remain broadly unchanged by the incoming government and may even be tightened.

spackle said...

CS

How would one literally go about that in cyberspace? Maybe set up some desktop video cameras and drink the kool-aid at the specified time. Actually, the more I think about it the more I get the feeling that somewhere sometime some jokers will actually do the above. I think we have just opened Pandora's box.:)

whiskey_199 said...

Howard was in power for 11 years. That's pretty long, approaching FDR type numbers. Fatigue and the inevitable cronyism that long administrations have are likely results. From a practical matter Australia lacks any meaningful ability to aid the US anyway. Only India and Russia and China have any meaningful military resources that can be projected out of their nations immediate areas.

As for VB, apparently they failed so far to split Belgium. However their signature issue, which is discrimination against Flemings by Walloons while they provide the bulk of taxes. Resource allocation during times of economic contraction generally causes political unrest and my bet is the issue is far from settled. As is essentially the colonization of Europe by Muslim immigrants. You can't have sharia law and Europe's welfare state side-by-side. One has to give.

Yorkshireminer said...

The Narcissism of minor differences :- quote from Freud. To be a narcissist one has to be infatuated with ones self. Small slights take on mammoth proportions, logical valid comments are deemed insults. Minds close and the reptilian part of the brain takes over, witch hunts start. Posters get banned not burned and the orthodoxy of the narcissist takes over sniffing out every grubby little heresy. All that is needed for a happy ending is a show trial. Enough said.

Alex said...

"Nixonian" is definitely not the correct adjective for the circumstances.

"Stalinist", from the 1389blog site, does not seem like a good choice either.

Perhaps "Leninist"?

Stogie said...
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Stogie said...

Just when I think Charles Johnson is getting the better side of the argument, I come over here and read excellent counter-arguments and I am right back where I started. I don't know if Velaams Belang is a good operation or not, but I can't totally condemn them just yet. Neither am I ready to accept them as allies.

I don't like that Odin's Cross in DeWinter's bookcase and it continues to be a problem for me. Stormfront, a neo-Nazi website, has a similar symbol emblazoned with the motto "White Pride World Wide."

I do agree with the commenters herein who note that many Lizards are CJ ass-kissers. On the other hand, I still have respect for Charles Johnson and his opinions, though I am far from convinced that VB or the Sweden Party or the Brussels Journal are secret Nazis.

What I would like to see is VB openly condemn fascism and Nazis and to explain that Odin's Cross and then to get rid of it.

What I am trying to say is simple: With regard to VB, I am willing to be convinced. However, I need more information, preferably from VB itself.

We need allies in this war.

1389 said...

Ed Mahmoud,

I'm glad you noticed this!

One thing though - the link got garbled. When you use the Haloscan window to post a link, you need to fill in the HTML link tags.

Here's what it should look like:

It is time to punt Little Green Footballs

Enter it like this:

[less-than-sign]a href="url"[greater-than-sign] description-text[less-than-sign]/a[greater-than-sign]

Conservative Swede said...

Spackle:How would one literally go about that in cyberspace?

This is how:
Charles' famous Shark Jump curve

Baron Bodissey said...

Ed --

I will say, the Nixon-LePen comparison is a shade unfair...

I meant that ironically. The Nixon-is-Satan meme saturated the culture in the '70s and never died. I was making fun of that.

*Sigh*

I hate it when I'm too subtle to be understood...

Alex said...

Stogie: what about the larger picture?

If VB deserves to be scrutinized – even microscopically, aren't there also more pressing concerns we should be focused on? Greater dangers that confront us? This level of intensity seems odd, to say the least.

Conservative Swede said...

Baron B: I meant that ironically. The Nixon-is-Satan meme saturated the culture in the '70s and never died. I was making fun of that.

And it's Jimmy Carter that is like Le Pen, isn't it?

In my post about Counterjihadism changing the European political map ,I reflexively compared Jörg Haider to David Duke. But then in my update I had to conclude that Nancy Pelosi was a much better comparison after all.

Baron Bodissey said...

CS --

Actually, in my peculiar allegory, Jimmy Carter is playing Dewinter, Reagan is Le Pen, and Nixon is playing Hitler.

As he always does in the sub-basements of postmodern American archetypes.

Dymphna said...

1389--

I still can't open your blog. Can you remind me what the problem is?

I tried to click open the link, then I tried to put it in a new window, then I clipped off everything but your root URl, then I put 1389 in google search and went to your technorati site..

nuttin' opens sesame.

I wanted to read your punt post.

Conservative Swede said...

BB:

I meant in the real world, not in the Bushitler fantasy world.

In the real world Jimmy Carter is very similar to Le Pen, indeed:

* anti-Israel, verging on anti-Semitic

* sucking up to Muslims and Islamic tyranny

* anti-Americanism

Dymphna said...

Reliapundit:

That link to Astute Blogger was *not* OT. It was spot on. What else could it be with the title

PROOF FROM RUSSIA THAT CHARLES JOHNSON OF LGF IS WRONG, STUPID AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE REGARDING VLAAMSE BELANG AND "GATES OF VIENNA"

Gracias plena for the link. Most blogs have been keeping a low profile and outright support is only beginning to show up.

I am grateful that you pointed this out.

Baron Bodissey said...

CS --

*Now* I understand. It was your turn to be too subtle... ;)

Conservative Swede said...

BB,

Yes, I'm always too subtle. This is a problem I have. I should work on being more direct.

CarnackiUK said...

stogie said:

I don't like that Odin's Cross in DeWinter's bookcase and it continues to be a problem for me. Stormfront, a neo-Nazi website, has a similar symbol emblazoned with the motto "White Pride World Wide."

The cross is obviously a valid problem for a lot of people. What Charles Johnson (or his 'Special Operative' Babazee, who seems to be out to rival Dan Brown) could have done is asked Felip Dewinter directly, or his party, why he has that symbol in his house; and what does the symbol mean to the Flemish Independent movement generally (not just the VB.)

But that seems to have been too obvious, too rational a solution. They can't possibly speak to the VB because the VB are 'Neo-Nazis'. And the evidence for that? - well, uh, their leader has a 'neo-nazi symbol' in his house. And, anyway, here's some photos of contemporary American neo-nazis using the same or similar symbols. Case closed!

(In next week's tantrum: Hindus and Buddhists are all neo-nazis because the solar swastika appears prominently in their cosmology...)

While awaiting Filip Dewinter's own explanation, maybe people should ask themselves when outfits like Stormfront first started using the symbol. And how long after the Flemish Nationalists started using it was that? Couple of years? Ten years? Fifty years? More?

Edward said...

The Celtic Cross in that particular style has been one of the symbols of Flanders since well before the Nazi's even existed, in fact Flemish graves from the First World War have crosses identical to the one DeWinter has on his bookshelf as grave markers.

In my opinion I see nothing wrong with VB using a historical Flemish symbol to represent themselves, the Celtic Cross was used that way for generations, and has only in recent times been tainted by non-Flemish groups using it for unsavory purposes. If we are to condemn VB for that symbol, what would we do if the neo-Nazi's decided tomorrow to use a standard crucifix, or a star of david, or perhaps even a little green football to represent themselves?

lowandslow said...

CarnackiUK said...

The cross is obviously a valid problem for a lot of people. What Charles Johnson could have done is asked Felip Dewinter directly

I've tried to make this point before. Instead of wasting literally hundreds of hours trying to associate Dewinter to Nazis or any other means to demonize to him, pick up a freak'n phone and find out first hand where DeWinter stands. Got a phobia about using phones, email him, Johnson has yet to do this one simple thing.

PapaBear said...

What seems to have gotten Charles's nose out of joint is that a bunch of people showed up at the Counter-Jihad Conference in Europe, and the show went on without him

In the final analysis, the battle is won by the people who show up, not the ones who chat endlessly with like-minded couch potatoes. People like the ones who got on planes and showed up in Europe. People like the Freepers of Freerepublic.com who show up to get the faces of the moonbats. People like GatheringOfEagles.com, who showed up at DC protests. People like ProtestWarrior.com

People who actually show

Conservative Swede said...

Hi 1389!

I like your image of the busted football :-)

I put it at the top of my blog with a link to your article:

http://conswede.blogspot.com/

Ed Mahmoud said...

C. Swede.

CJ has got a woody for posters using aliases. Wonder when he'll ask photo investigator 'Zombie' to stop using an alias.


Apparently, something about my statements that I missed the invitation to the Brussels conference offends Conservative Swede (another brave anti-jihad warrior who doesn't use a real name). But it's a fact -- I saw several emails from GoV about the conference, but don't recall specifically seeing an invitation. With 500+ emails in my Inbox every day, it's impossible to read every one.
None of this matters anyway, it's just more peripheral crap to distract people's attention away from the real issues. Note that "Christine" and her friends are now scouring LGF comments for any hint of contradiction, so they can play "Gotcha!"

Ed Mahmoud said...

Archbishop of Canterbury says US worse imperialists than Britan ever was.


Hope I got that right.

Ed Mahmoud said...

THE Archbishop of Canterbury has said that the United States wields its power in a way that is worse than Britain during its imperial heyday.

Rowan Williams claimed that America’s attempt to intervene overseas by “clearing the decks” with a “quick burst of violent action” had led to “the worst of all worlds”.

In a wide-ranging interview with a British Muslim magazine, the Anglican leader linked criticism of the United States to one of his most pessimistic declarations about the state of western civilisation.

He said the crisis was caused not just by America’s actions but also by its misguided sense of its own mission. He poured scorn on the “chosen nation myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart of God’s purpose for humanity”.

Archonix said...

Oh Williams, you bloody idiot...

No wonder the anglican communion is about to implode.

Ed Mahmoud said...

The Boer War comes to mind as being a fairly recent example of the UK willing to kill for Empire, and many of the victims were people of European (Dutch) ancestry.

Cincinnatus said...

The banning has resumed. Might see "Spartacus" here soon...

InterResSys said...

I typically read but do not comment here, but have to say Charles has been manifesting some notably odd symptoms during the last several weeks. What the disease is or the cure I'm not sure, but if positive value is placed upon coherence and clarity of thought and argument then I fail to see what it is Charles is forwarding that has much if any worth. The inquisitor label, if not taken too seriously just yet, seems apt.

Michael B said...

VDH has responded to Rowan Williams.

islam o' phobe said...

On the other hand, I still have respect for Charles Johnson and his opinions

Why? He seems to have only two opinions:

1. Jihad against America and Israel is bad.

2. Western Europe is evil and deserves to be conquered.

He spends innumerable amounts of time gloating about the destruction of half the West i.e. "which European country will be the first to succumb to sharia?" and even set up a mock betting pool to this effect (Holland by 2012, France by 2014?)

He's a despicable person and any suggestion that he is a defender of the West is laughable. He is hopelessly parochial both in his view of Western Civillisation and his role as the despot of an increasingly irrelevant blog.

Cincinnatus said...

LGF may very well have a useful role to play as a school for budding anti-jihadis. Its antiseptic environs may encourage new recruits. Once those recruits grow and get their courage, then they can venture out into the real world, our world.

So Charles Johnson is a cranky old lefty schoolmaster. Still useful. But hold the Sonja-bombs!

Morgenholz said...

CJ:
"That's completely enough out of "Spartacus." And I've noticed who's been giving him plus ratings."

Flabbergasting. Does it get any more NKVD than this? Stay tuned!

Archonix said...

I bet soon he'll be offering a full pardon and a return to adoring lizardhood on condition that someone name Fjordman or something.

Lizards you were, and lizards you shall remain.

I'm spartacus!

Well someone had to say it first... :D

ProFlandria said...

carnackiuk,

"[...] maybe people should ask themselves when outfits like Stormfront first started using the symbol. And how long after the Flemish Nationalists started using it was that? Couple of years? Ten years? Fifty years? More?"

according to ADL ADL
Organizations like National Front and Stormfront didn't start using the symbol until the late 1960s. In 1916-17 the Flemish national movement adopted a headstone designed by Joe English (Flemish soldier of irish descent) which was shaped like the Celtic/Odin's Cross, and was inscribed with a Flemish nationalist slogan and verse to mark the graves of fallen Flemish soldiers in the Big One... Look for an upcoming article with pics, links... hopefully shortly!

Mr. Smarterthanyou said...

So Christians must all refute the KKK and Aryan Nations, AND must give up the Crucifix before being allowed to sit at the grown-ups table.

We must focus all our energies denying the slander and innuendo of the left, rather than focus on our messages.