Sunday, November 26, 2006

Swedish Service to the Reich

Here is an article from today’s Aftenposten, kindly translated from the Norwegian by reader Mr. C:

Swedish Elite Kneels for Hitler

King Gustav V of Sweden decorated Hitler’s henchman Hermann Göring with an order when the persecution of Jews was in full effect. He started a letter to Hitler in 1941 with the words “Mein lieber Reichskanzler!” [my dear Chancellor]

Hitler with the Swedes in 1939“Sweden was not a neutral country under WWII, never!”

In the book Mein lieber Reichskanzler! — titled after the king’s own words — former Expressen editor-in-chief Staffan Thorsell joins the growing number of people who question Swedish policy during the war.

Chose to keep silent

“Depending on your point of view and mood, Sweden’s policy in the first years of war can be described as cowardly, careful, realistic or egoistic, but it was never neutral. ‘Intelligent adaptation’ was the tune of the times in the early 1940s, among diplomats, generals and politicians, but also among Swedish journalists. The truth is, you ducked in fear of the aggressive and racist superpower Germany, because that was considered wise and expedient,” Thorsell says.

Close ties

In the book he describes close ties between the rulers and upper classes of the two countries. He starts off with a wedding in Koburg in October 1932, the first town to become nazified: Then Swedish presumptive heir Gustav Adolf marries princess Sibylla, daughter of grand duke Carl Eduard of Sachsen-Koburg. She would later become mother of present day king Carl XVI Gustaf.

“Carl XVI Gustaf’s maternal grandfather was one of nazism’s earliest supporters, Thorsell says,” but makes a point of not burdening today’s king with this.
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The night of November 10th 1938 Anders Forshell, Swedish marine attaché in Berlin, had his sleep interrupted by window breaking and noise: It was the Kristallnacht, the night that became the start of ever grosser harassment of Jews.

“Beneficial”

In February the year after the Swedish king’s railway carriage and Gustav V rolled into a Berlin railway station. His majesty’s errand was to decorate Hitler’s general field marshal Hermann Göring with the Grand Cross of the Swedish Order of Swords, established by King Frederik I in 1748, awarded for “outstanding merit in time of war and for beneficial and long-lasting activity”.

Göring had a weakness for glitter and finery, but also for morphine way beyond medical use. When the German journalist in exile Kurt Singer wrote about this in the book Göring — Germany’s Most Dangerous Man, the Swedish government banned the book.

Has something in particular gripped you during your work?

“That Sweden didn’t do more for the Jews in the 1930s, while there was still time,” Thorsell says.

In the book he writes that Sweden in that period was one of the least hospitable countries to Jewish refugees, and that the immigration law of 1937 stated that they were not to be considered political refugees.

He points to the fact that Sweden and Switzerland, three weeks before Kristallnacht, persuaded Germany to stamp a 3 centimeter tall “J” in the passports of German Jews.

Swedish anxiety

Thorell describes the enormous Swedish anxiety after April 9th 1940 (invasion of Norway), that the Germans might waltz over Sweden as well.

“That anxiety would mark Sweden for the rest of the war,” he says.

On April 17th 1940, a week after the invasion of Norway, Germany demanded to be allowed to send “a few railway carriages” with medical equipment, some food and nurses through Sweden to Narvik. The Swedes allowed it, but saw through their fingers the fact that “a few carriages” turned out to be 34 freight cars, mostly loaded with provisions for the army, and a passenger car with 40 young Germans from Bayern.

“They were weapons experts and radio specialists. Sweden helped Hitler conquer Narvik. This betrayal is almost unknown in Sweden,” Thorsell says.

Later the Germans would issue more of these demands, and the Swedes solved the “problem” by letting single German railway cars attach to Swedish trains. After a while alcohol and cigars would be included in the cargo to cheer up the German fighters in the cold north.

“Sweden exported ball-bearings — parts necessary to keep the war machine going — to Germany until the autumn of 1944,” Thorsell says.

On the 17th of May (Norwegian Constitution Day). Norwegians in Stockholm were ordered not to celebrate the day in public; it was feared that Swedes would join the celebrations and that it could turn into a demonstration against the German attackers.

Another story concerns Sweden’s foreign minister Christian Günther, who banned the Norwegian president of parliament from broadcasting a radio speech from Stockholm after April 9th. The plan for the speech was detected by Berlin; Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Göbbels was furious, and pushed all he could. Which was enough.

The speech was instead recorded in Stockholm, and transmitted from London.

Part of the story is also that Norway probably had more to gain from the fact that Sweden was not in war than any other country, as it became a destination for thousands of Norwegian refugees.

“Towards the end of the war, Sweden went from ‘neutral’ to the allied,” Thorsell says.

When you piece these stories together — is there a danger that you, in sum, paint a picture which is too dark?

“That might be. But I want to change the mendacious view of a morally elevated neutrality which for too long has had power over Swedish foreign policy,” Thorsell says.



Update: LN — thanks for the correction. “Carl” was evidently a typo in Mr. C’s translation, and I was guessing as to what he meant. I’ve changed it.

42 comments:

Archonix said...

Much as it pains me to say it, Sweden needs to hear this immediately, if not sooner. The truth is, as the article points out, this history is virtually unknown in Sweden, and when it is known it's used as a staff to beat the swedes toward more multicultural madness. They aren't allowed to face up to their mistakes and repent, because to do so would break the hold the left has over them.

The problem now, of course, is that people will question Sweden's behaviour during the war only to find their reasoning turned in to an excuse to side with Islam. After all, in the eyes of the far left, they're an oppressed minority. Why, they're just like the jews...

History doesn't repeat, but it does follow the same patterns.

FlyingRodent said...

Those evil Swedes, typical Europeans with their love of fascism.

No American would ever have served the interests of the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#War_seizures_controversy

What does this mean in a modern context?

Precisely bugger all. Much like this post.

Mikael said...

Mein lieber... does not translate into My Beloved, but rather into "My dear..." It's a common German/Scandinavian expression of courtesy.

The Swedish article does not translate the expression at all.

Baron Bodissey said...

Mikael,

I saw that there was no translation of it in the original, and I wanted to help our English monoglots. But my German is rudimentary, and evidently not up to the task...

I will change it.

Fellow Peacekeeper said...

Not mentioned is that Sweden sold vital iron ore to Germany (IIRC more than half of all German steel was from Swedish ore) , and weapons to the allies(the bofors 40mm AA gun). When Germany was on the downslope, Sweden changed sides and suddenly started assisting the allies. Such a display of amoral national prostitution could be considered extremely cunning, but it grates when Swedes occasional claim the moral high ground for being "NEUTRAL".

To be fair, Wallenberg and Sweden did rescue enormous numbers of Jews in 1943 by allowing transit from Denmark.

Oh, and weren't the Social Democrats were in power the whole time?

FlyingRodent said...

No, really, just ignore my wet whimperings about the complete irrelevance of this issue to the modern world in which we live.

Pile on to those evil, fascist Swedes. After all, a blog based upon the premise that seventeenth century wars are a lens for examining current affairs shouldn't worry about comparing apples and oranges.

Archonix said...

It isn't irrelevant. In fact it has a direct bearing on the current behaviour of Sweden's ruling class, who have been raised in an environment of deep guilt with little knowledge of the events that actually created that guilt.

That's why I had my initial reaction. Further examination of the event, as always, shines light on a certain amount of axe-grinding by the article's writer (the Norwegians have never forgiven Sweden for their behaviour during the war, for instance), and the mis-interpretation of some details will create a more biased picture than is really there. After all, our own king Edward was a nazi sympathiser, wishing to ally the UK with germany, and who visited Hitler personally at one point. If not for the timely intervention of one Wallis Simpson we might well have ended up on the wrong side of this war, or at least "neutral" in the same way as Sweden was.

The difference is, we aren't hiding from this fact, whereas the Swedes don't know anything more than the general thrust of their dalliances with Nazi Germany. They don't know why it happened, only that it did, and that they must feel guuilt for it, without really knowing what it is they're feeling guilty for. The previous government found that undirected guiilt very useful for their multiculturalism, and it's because of that guilt that the current situation regarding the Islamic invasion has arisen in Sweden.

For the other half of things, the way Islam wages war hasn't changed in its entire history, so examining how they fought in the past in order to counteract them now is, I would think, something of a necessity if we are to prevail.

Fellow Peacekeeper said...

Quite right that Swedish misdeeds of the 40's should be irrelevant. But they are not for the reasons Archonix mentions. Misdirected collective guilt is a key tool of the whole left multi-cultural/Gramsican cultural_marxist/political correctness machine.

Whether its USA and slavery, Germany and nazism, France and empire, UK and empire, Italy and fascism, Spain and colonization, or white folks and all of the above.

Added bonus points for bastardry, as in this case with the Social Democrats, if the government exploiting the guilt today is the same party and direct lineal descendent of the government that did the dirty deeds. And also claims the moral high ground for neutrality.

Zerosumgame said...

So Sweden kowtowed to the originally Nazis 70 years ago, and they kowtow to their Islamo-nazi offspring today.

Just like the rest of Europe, they have learned absolutely nothing from recent history, and don't even want to learn.

They deserve whatever fate awaits them.

chuck said...

Those evil Swedes, typical Europeans with their love of fascism.

It never bothered me much that the Swedes did what was manifestly convenient, the Swiss did the same. Nor does it bother me that there was some sympathy for the Nazi's at a time when Fascism was the wave of the European future. Then to, the Russian invasion of Finland was still fresh and, IIRC, there was even some movement at the time to aid Finland. No, what has bothered me about Swedes is the holier-than-thou attitude and a revisionist history where convenient real-politic becomes morally informed pacifism. That is the point of the argument.

FlyingRodent said...

Archonix - Indeed, but is it only Islam we should study, or middle eastern history generally?

Just in case I'm attacked by Sassanid spearmen, an Egyptian war chariot or a Parthian horse archer.

Zerosum - Thanks mate, I'm glad to know that when the Muslamonazis start sawing into my neck you'll be there cheering them on in spirit.

El Jefe Maximo said...

I don't know much about the Swedish King's personal feelings on the Nazis, but I don't know if it tells us much that the King started a letter to Hitler "My dear Reichschancellor" or pinned a medal on Reichmarshal Goering.

From what I have seen of diplomatic and personal correspondence between heads of state, particularly where a monarch is involved "My dear (fill in the blank" seems pretty standard. I'd be shocked if you couldn't go elsewhere in the royal correspondence and find letters to Roosevelt beginning "My dear President." As for medals -- prior to modern times, European heads of state and government pinned medals on each other and on their underlings as a matter of course. Look up Kaiser Wilhelm's list of foreign decorations sometime.

Like Switzerland, Sweden, as people sometimes point out with indignation -- was neutral in WW II. Had I been giving diplomatic advice to either government in 1940-1943, I would have suggested that they bend over backwards to stay neutral. That's not a comment on the morality of the Axis or the Allies, or which group of powers should win the war, but recognition of the fact that neither Switzerland nor Sweden was in any position, militarily speaking, to defy Germany. Moreover, it follows that both states would act to derive whatever economic advantages from their neutral position they could, so they exported ball-bearings, iron ore and other finished products. States generally act to maximise their own advantage. Besides, as I said, at least early in the war, the consequences of not doing so could have been rather disagreeable.

To be sure, neither state would have benefitted from a German-dominated Europe, but neither country was in any position to prevent it, and had that tragic state of affairs come to pass, they would have had to make the best bargain with the Nazis that they could.

After mid 1943 or so, the neutrals were safer, but why on Earth would it then have been to the advantage of either state (or the people of those states) to get involved ? The allies would win anyway, and Sweden and Switzerland would derive much advantage from that fact without lifting a finger or losing a life to procure the result. Yeah, that's pretty cold -- but that's how governments operate. That's also why Sweeden and Switzerland came through both World Wars without having their traditional political and social arrangements violently rearranged.

chuck said...

Just in case I'm attacked by Sassanid spearmen, an Egyptian war chariot or a Parthian horse archer.

The Parthian and Sassanid empires were Persian. However, your fear of Egyptian war chariots is no doubt well founded and I suggest emplacing speed bumps on all roads leading to your home.

ln said...

"I wanted to help our English monoglots. But my German is rudimentary, and evidently not up to the task..."
-- said the blind man to his one-legged compagnion trying to help him over the street!
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Sweden seems to be in the line of fire these days! And all the self-appointed specialists of guilt-psychology are emerging. It is appreciated that our current islamopolitical situation is observed and commented - we are all partners in this same ongoing war aginst a threatening Kaliphat, but why, Baron, putting stress on more than 60 years old stupidities.

You have got acute problems nextdoors - we havn't, yet.
Proportionally, compared to Sweden, you should have got some 100 000 muslims in Virginia, but population estimates show a Virginian Muslim population of about 300 000. What do you do about that?
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Bernadottes with Hermann: http://tinyurl.com/yjnrek

The Goering story in Sweden started already in 1919 when he was earning his bread piloting all over Sweden, went on in 1920 with his meeting with the enchanting Carin von Kantzow, who he married in DE 1922. THEN he met Adolf, who must not have been enchanting, but bewitching -- never forget, however, that Göring had (super)'mensa'-capacity!

After the putsch-fiasco, and after his and wife's 'visit' to Italy, they returned to Sweden, he a morphinist, (due to shot-wound in the groin), living at Odengatan (Odin-street) in Stockholm -- "Thor" was living at Landsberg castle in Germany! During this second and last visit to Sweden poor Hermann was a patient - I think several times, at the Beckomberga Sjukhus (mental hospital) -- but his morphinism was not cured. 1923 the couple returned to DE, where 'importent duties' were awaiting him.

That Hermann Göring was given an order by the Swedes in 1938/39 was not that strange: "outstanding merit in time of war and for beneficial and long-lasting activity” was certainly true -- he and Richthofen having been the numer ones flying heros of WW1.

I do think this story, the big "J" in the passports, the ball bearing's destination post Stalingrad changeing from DE to GB , the iron ore exportation, the Bernadotte's connection to Nazi-DE etcetera is better known to the the ordinary Swede than for example the US-Bush-family's links from mid 1920s untill the beginning of 1950s to Fritz Thyssen, Upper Silesia and Auschwitz.

What I wanted to say with this is, that we are gratefull but a little tired for your 'objective'(?) interests in the SCHEISSE on our treshold - but please dont forget to sweep a little before your own door.

Consider finally the contents of this link: http://tinyurl.com/23n2m
Who should speek of SCHEISSE?
ln

Archonix said...

Ln, speaking only for myself I'm glad you've brought more of the history in to it. However, I'm sticking by what I said regarding the whole guilt complex thing. Every time I visit sweden I see it expressed in some way, either by things that my wife's family say, or how people react to the news of certain events, and how their politicians talk down to them. Swedes are made to feel guilty for crimes that aren't their responsibility and that guilt is then exploited to drive them in directions they wouldn't otherwise go. Generally. If that point didn't come across before, then I must have written it out badly.

I'm heightened to it. We get the same rubbish in the UK these days, recently highlighted by our Prime Minister deciding to apologise for the slave trade that this country helped top abolish. Guilt for crimes we had nothing to do with, lack of historical context, ignorance of what has gone before. Despite everything I've said it makes me quite pessimistic about the future in some ways...

ln said...

I will bring you only one tiny thing - most probabely there are many more,
but I cannot be bothered to scrutinize the shit!
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Norwegian originale:
I februar året etter rullet den svenske kongevognen og Gustav V inn på en jernbanestasjon i Berlin. Majestetens ærend var å dekorere Hitlers generalfeltmarskalk Hermann Göring med storkorset av den svenske Svärdsordenen,

Swedish translation:
I februari året därpå rullar den svenska kungavagnen med Gustav V in på den en järnvägsstation i Berlin. Majestätets ärende var att dekorera Hitlers generalfältmarskalk
Hermann Göring med storkorset av den svenske Svärdsorden...etcetera, etcetera

Englich translation
In February the year after the Swedish king’s carl [aide] and Gustav V rolled into a Berlin railway station. His majesty’s errand was to decorate Hitler’s general field marshal Hermann Göring with the Grand Cross of the Swedish Order of Swords...
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"the Swedish king’s carl [aide] and Gustav V"

should be:

' the Swedish royal railwaywaggon with Gustav V'

- where the heck did 'the kings aide' enter the story?
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"His majestys errand was to decorate Hitler's general field marshall etc"

is wrong, should be -- long and true version:

'His majesty was on transit journey from Stockholm to Trelleborg, ferryship to Sassnitz,
then via Berlin trough Europe to Nice in the south of France (in those days this was the main route from Stockholm to the 'south of the Alps' region), where he every year when it was cold winter in Stockholm, used to stay some time playing a lot of tennis, for which habit he was known as mr G. During the trainstop in Berlin he had time to decorate Hermann...
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In this simple way truth is mutilated all the time, giving the reader quite false opinions -- the Swedish PC newspaper 'EXPRESSEN' is a born specialist.

One of the newspaper's (rag's?) EXPRESSEN latest:

- Sandstorm mot Sverige
- Passa er för sandstormen.
- I helgen dundrar den in över Sverige.
- Efter 300 mils resa från Saharas öken.

- Sandstorm towards Sweden
- Watch out for the sandstorm
- During the weekend it is roaring in over Sweden
- After a 3000 km journey from the saharan desert

I live in the south of Sweden, not one grain of saharan sand has been seen !!

NEVER READ -- NEVER BELIEVE -- NEWER BUY EXPRESSEN !

ln
ps - I am not a royalist!

El Jefe Maximo said...

In response to the last commenter, maybe my problem is that I am a bit of a royalist...

Stephen Renico said...

flyingrodent,

If you want to discuss modern vs. historical Sweden, then it's much more interesting to theorize how the fearsome Vikings managed to devolve into nations of effete idealists.

Baron Bodissey said...

LN — thanks for the correction. “Carl” was evidently a typo in Mr. C’s translation, and I was guessing as to what he meant. I’ve changed it.

ln said...

"Watch out for the sandstorm!"

Oh ha, Baron, that is typical PC technique, to get a person to
keep his tongue.
"Thank you so much for your valuable comment!"

Most probabely Staffan Thorsell or/and Aftenposten is/are talking
*tendentious shit* in the best EXPRESSEN way, and you, Baron, are
distributing it to the world. Do not be proud!

I cling to the same detaille.

"King Gustav V of Sweden decorated Hitler’s henchman Hermann Göring
with an order when the persecution of Jews was in full effect."

-- think for yourself: 1938/39 --- a bit early for the 'henchman' title;
- persecution of Jews - true, the N.-laws were there, but who objected:
GB, USA, F, the World??; "in full effect" - hell no!

"He [Thorsell] starts off with a wedding in Koburg in October 1932, the first town to
become nazified: Then Swedish presumptive heir Gustav Adolf marries
princess Sibylla, daughter of grand duke Carl Eduard of Sachsen-Koburg"

-- 1932 --- nazification (already?) - grand duke's daughter -- is here a connection?

"In February the year after the Swedish king’s railway carriage and Gustav V rolled
into a Berlin railway station. His majesty’s *errand* was to decorate Hitler’s general
field marshal Hermann Göring with the Grand Cross"

-- this has already been gone into;

Göring had a weakness for glitter and finery, but also for morphine way beyond
medical use [??]. When the German journalist in exile Kurt Singer wrote about this
in the book Göring — Germany’s Most Dangerous Man, the Swedish government
banned the book.

-- so mutch easier to make him happy with a piece of metall - it is called diplomacy;
-- are you an addict, you are - beyond medical use? - who can decide?
-- the govenment banned the book! HOW? Please - DO tell us!

Is this anything else than *journalistic filth an sensations-mongering* you are distributing?

Please answer, Baron, you are the 'responsible editor'.

ln

Yorkshireminer said...

Dear Baron,

I find this post somewhat over done, several thousand Swedes lost there lives fighting with the Finns in the winter war of 1939. The Swedes gave the British one of the first examples of the V2 rocket that had crashed on Swedish soil. They trained a Danish army of I think 10,000 men which surprise surprise suddenly appeared on Danish soil as soon as the war ended. If the Swedes are guilty of anything it is there Idealism now, we should not judge them by there realism then. To impune guilt by association is not very nice either. Herman Goring's brother by the way was arrested and kept in prison because they assumed automatically that he was a Nazi like his brother, it was only the intervention of a group of Jews he helped smuggle into Switzerland, that got him out. I like you have a very dim view of what is happening in Sweden at the moment. I lived in Sweden for nearly a year and like the Swedes, they are basically sound decent people and I am certain most, like me cringe as I do at the antics of there Government. The problem is that they have gone farther down the path of Dimmitude and it will take them a lot longer to turn the country round.

Mr. C said...

Strange to see some people here take the article so personally. I did not translate this article to mock Sweden or Swedes. The article paints a well known picture of appeasing ELITES. The reason I thought it might be of any interest here was because Sweden (and Scandinavia) is a recurring theme on this blog. It's one of the reasons I read it every day I can.
This has nothing to do with the Swedish people, who were very accomodating to refugees of all kinds of norwegian refugees during the war, ethnic, jews, gypsies you name it. The Norwegian resistance would suffer much more had it not been for the help offered by Swedes in the border areas. But Hitler probably couldn't have taken Narvik hadn't it been for the Swedish elites. See, there's a difference here.
This is about appeasing elites, and in that respect this article paints a vivid picture of something which probably could happen in any country at some point.
BTW, there's no need to discredit the source either, the article "takes care" of that itself. Yes, Expressen is a tabloid and yes, Thorsell of course wants to sell his book. But whichever way you look at it, he does make a valid point regarding "the morally elevated" Swedish neutrality. IMO it's not moral at all, it's pragmatic, sometimes too pragmatic. Still even though I don't buy it, I can see how one may opine that appeasement in an attempt to save lives (or maybe even an extended definition of "resources") is the only morally justifiable option there is for a government. This of course finds application beyond Sweden as well.

Freedom Fighter said...

Hi Baron,
What was said in this article about Sweden during the war is substantially true, but paints an incomplete picture.

When the Danes collaberated, almost as an entire nation, to smuggle Denmark's Jews out of Denmark it was Sweden that provided the haven...and unlike Vichy France and Switzerland, Sweden never turned a single Jew over to the Nazis.Or fought against the allies.

What the Swedes did was to make a decision to sell strategic materials to the Nazis, stay neutral and wait to see which way the wind ended up blowing.

Despicable, perhaps, and yes, there were a number of elements in Swedish society that were pro-Nazi, but I see little point or justice in demonizing the whole country for it.

Baron Bodissey said...

Yorkshireminer et al. --

This is not "my post". Mr. C kindly translated an article from a Norwegian paper, which was a book review.

I like to post translations of European material, especially if they seem not to be available elsewhere in English. This one was an interesting topic, but I don't vouch for it personally.

Everyone is welcome to debate and disagree. I welcome translations or articles from the Swedish perspective.

I have spoken with Norwegians, and have some idea what they feel about Sweden. Danes and Finns have opinions on the topic, too.

Swedes don't agree, and I realize that. I'm happy to hear alternative versions of the same events.

Archonix said...

Nobody's demonising. Well, apart from Zero, but he doesn't count. I stick by my mini-thesis though: Sqwedes have spent the last half century being made to feel guilty, whether or not they did anything wrong. The same happens all across europe. It's right out of the multicultural playbook. I just wanted to make that point. :)

Stephen Renico said...

archonix,

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Sweden as a country, given the Swedes' enthusiastic cheerleading of Anna Lindh when she was still alive and harping at the US. It seems that the sensible Swedes, who oppose being pushed out of their own country and who don't think the US is "evil", are outnumbered.

Screw the rest of them.

ln said...

“Mein lieber Baron Bodissey!"

You write: "I had the privilege of meeting
>Jack Wheeler
..."
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This to me unknown Jack must be high up in the pecking order!

Then Jack stated: - "Gates of Vienna” - "I thought that was a European blog!”
(Had Jack ONCE visited GoV?)

So did I some 18 months ago, when I found this blog serching Google for some anti-jihad matter, wondering why an austrian/german blog was writing in fluent and ellegant english/american.
Who the hell was this Baron Bodissey? Profile - bitte!
Aha, Baron Bodissey, Consulting, Location: Virginia: United States; About Me "When I hear the word 'Art', I reach for my Luger." -- Hermann Göring !!

Since that day I visit GoV daily. I find GoV being on of the world's primer anti-jihad blogs.

- Jack - do you hear me? Have you started reading GoV regulary?

However, there seem to be some wide spread difficulties with the common ability of reading comprehension. The comments above to "Swedish Service to the Reich" illustrates this assertion. A critical attitude to sources of information is compulsory and 'is there smoke there must be a fire' is not allways an applicable conclusion. Biased (in swedish: vinklad) journalism must be recognized ("Swedish Service to the Reich" is an excellant example) - it certainly is not easy because the PC mediae (EXPRESSEN, Aftonbladet, Politiken, Aftenposten etc) are unparalleled performing this practice of distorting the truth.

As Hermann Göring has been on the carpet a few times - I myself have a tiny weakness for this courageous and intelligent poor man - I would like to give you one of his very last remarks before he himself bereaved his hangman of work.

In my first comment I was impolitely argueing that I did think the Bernadotte-NaziGermany connection and a lot of other 1933-1945 things were better known to the ordinary Swede than "for example the US-Bush-family's links from mid 1920s untill the beginning of 1950s to Fritz Thyssen, Upper Silesia and Auschwitz".
I would like to illustrate this statement with the following excellent but certainly not un-biased little multislide presentation.

ln

ln said...

Correction:

"... than "for example the US-Bush-family's links from mid 1920s untill the beginning of 1950s to Fritz Thyssen, Upper Silesia and Auschwitz" are known to the average US public."
ln

Archonix said...

Well, Stephen, that's probably the difference. I do. I'm never keen to simply dismiss a large portion of people just because they disagree with me. If they're driving themselves to exinction then they're the people that need the most help.

Mr. C said...

archonix
WWII is apparently an extremely sensitive subject in Sweden. Some of the comments here confirm this.
Maybe a public confrontation on the subject to get all the facts out in the open instead of just burying everything would enable them to deal better with the guilt-complex.
Probably won't happen though, Swedes are very faithful to authority both in the professional life and in politics compared to other scandinavians. Seems like they will keep their mouths shut about almost anything as long as their elites provide them with security from cradle to grave ("Folkhemmet"). I'm convinced of this because they do not have the same breadth in their political spectrum as for instance Denmark and Norway.

kepiblanc said...

Mr. C - During the late 1960's Sweden actually had a short-lived burst of humor and political satire. Some guys named Hasse & Tage (Alfredsson & Danielson) formed a movie company called "AB Svenska Ord" (Swedish Words Ltd.). They made a few movies, where especially "Âppelkriget" (The Apple War) was outstanding with its satire on big business, governmental corruption and nepotism. It had some big names in it, like Max von Sydow and - a real scoop - Evert Taube. The very special thing about it was that it dared to ridicule much of Swedish correctness and even encouraged civil disobedience. A fantastic movie, literally.

I've tried to get a DVD copy, but the movie seems to have disappeared completely. I wonder why ?

ln said...

mr.c wrote:

"WWII is apparently an extremely sensitive subject in Sweden. Some of the comments here confirm this. Maybe a public confrontation on the subject to get all the facts out in the open instead of just burying everything would enable them to deal better with the guilt-complex."

I am the only Swede who have opened my beak and commented to this post and now I am declared to represent all those guilt-ridden citizens with Swedish background!
Are you, Mr C, not a magnificient representative for those lacking ability of reading comprehension ( - som lider av bristfällig lästförståelse)?

Just crap, or utter bullshit what you are bringing, Mr C.
When putting 1 and 2 together you get 3,5 or even 4 - out of malevolence or stupidity, who knows - you are by no means any stickler for the truth. Your mark in discernment is far below the pass standard. Be kind to yourself, go home - keep quite!

ln

Stephen Renico said...

Archonix,

Well, Stephen, that's probably the difference. I do. I'm never keen to simply dismiss a large portion of people just because they disagree with me. If they're driving themselves to exinction then they're the people that need the most help.

It's not a large portion, it's the majority portion. If the majority there are committed leftists and inveterate dhimmis with antiamerican proclivities, then, if history has shown us anything, they will never change. Radical leftists either die out or infect.

I'd rather see the sensible minority in these lost countries emigrate to North America, prosper, and further strengthen this side of the Atlantic.

Mr. C said...

ln

Oh ha, Baron, that is typical PC technique, to get a person to
keep his tongue.
"Thank you so much for your valuable comment!"

+

"Just crap, or utter bullshit what you are bringing, Mr C.
When putting 1 and 2 together you get 3,5 or even 4 - out of malevolence or stupidity, who knows - you are by no means any stickler for the truth. Your mark in discernment is far below the pass standard. Be kind to yourself, go home - keep quite!"

= I may suck at math, but you suck at irony.

You made this into something about the Swedish people, not me.

I'm a stickler for the truth just as little as you are a representative for all Swedes. But your complete denial of the Swedish role in the war is not too uncommon.

Decorating Göring in 1941, even after the Entlösung was decided on, was indeed an act of diplomacy because being a pilot for a Swedish airliner for a few years surely doesn't qualify anyone for a medal. It's appeasement run wild and that is the point.

Anyway, the accountability of the Swedish elite is not my battle, it's the Swedes'. When I read the article, I thought about present day issues like Iran, DPRK, jihadis or Russia, and how it could serve as an example of how NOT to deal with them, for any country (including Sweden of course).

ln said...

Mr.C,

I claimed that you were lacking ability of reading comprehension.
I am very sorry, I was wrong.
It is much worse - you cannot even read from the book!
You are a functional illiterate.

Quote:
"Decorating Göring in 1941, even after the Entlösung was decided on, was indeed an act of diplomacy because being a pilot for a Swedish airliner for a few years surely doesn't qualify anyone for a medal. It's appeasement run wild and that is the point."

The point is, Mr.C, that you are running wild spreading crap, utter crap!


Here (heare!) the truth:

Göring was decorated in februari 1939 in Berlin during an intermission in Gustav V's journey to Nice, France.

"Die Endlösung" was initiated through a secret letter from Göring to Heidrich 31 July 1941:
"...Ich beauftrage Sie weiter, mir in Bälde einen Gesamtentwurf über die organisatorischen, sachlichen und materiellen Vorausmaßnahmen zur Durchführung der angestrebten Endlösung der Judenfrage vorzulegen..."

Heydrich organized a secret conferens "Besprechung über die Endlösung der Judenfrage" in the locations of "Am Großen Wannsee Nr. 56-58" to be helt on the 20th January 1942.

Göring had been a most admired, also by the allies, flying hero of WW1, eventually as Commander in Chief of the "Jagdgeschwaders Richthofen" - in 1917 he got "Pour le mérite".

In february 1939 he was holding the following titles:
Preussischem Ministerpräsident (1933 - 1945),1933 Reichsminister für Luftfahrt, 1934 Reichsforst- und Reichsjägermeister, 1935 Oberbefehlshaber der Luftwaffe, 1936 Beauftragter für den Vierjahresplan (zur Vorbereitung der Wirtschaft für den Krieg), 1938 Generalfeldmarschall -- "Reichsmarschall" he became in 1940.

Obviously he was numer two in Nazi-Germany - already like a christmastree well decorated with gewgaws and with strong and 'friendly' feelings (first wife) for Sweden.

Was there a any more suitable person to hang a metall blob around the neck?

A very wise decision by my bloody compatriots (an the Bernadottes), however, I could guess the idea-maker was Per Albin Hansson!
(Perhaps through this symbolic and very 'cheap' act Sweden avoided getting occupied!)

And this patriotic act must now 66 years later be reformulated by PC idiots:

"THE SWEDISH ELITE WAS KNEELING FOR THE NAZIS"


ln

Mr. C said...

ln

Selling out all your neighbors and every principle of human decency to avoid being occupied is a patriotic act? Sure, if your idea of patriotism is grabbing your ancles.

ln said...

As you are awaiting a rejoinder and somebody must be kind
to tell you the bitter truth, I will devote myself:

Mr.C - you are not only illitterate - you are a moron.

Of course the Swedes sold out Finland, Denmark and proud Norway,
we crushed every principle of human decency by not declaring
war to 'the Reich', well equipped as we were with riffles from 1889
and 1912. Here we come - take care, Adolf, Hermann, Heinrich,
you mothersuckers - you want to get bashed - and you will be.

The scenario would have been quite possible with people like you
carrying those riffles. Just a few hundreds of your kind!

Archonix said...

Well, again I'd like to point out that my reason for mentioning uilt is because Sweden's p;olitical leadership has spent most of the last half century instilling it in the swedish population. LN, since you're a swede you'll obviously know more about the situation than I do, however what I have experienced of the country and its politics seems to back up my musings on the subject.

Mr C, polarising the situation as you do is not even remotely fair. Pragmatism was required during the early years of the war by many countries, including the United States.

Stephen, even if it's the majority, encouraging the rest to leave tantamount to appeasement in my mind. It's handing over resources and territory to the enemy, encouraging them top believe that their behaviour will keep them winning. I've had the same argument here before (and frnakly it's getting boring); we cannot, and should not give up and run. Even if there were just one sane person in Sweden, it's worth saving, as scandanavia is the source of much of what makes the anglosphere so powerful.

Stephen Renico said...

Archonix,

So, how do you propose to save a people which doesn't want to be saved? There's something going on there, as well as in Spain and a few other places, that's tantamount to mass, unconscious suicide.

Talking one jumper off of a bridge is difficult enough. There's no suicide prevention hotline for a nation of committed self-loathers to call. I also would rather see them all wake up be the people they once were. But I think your idea is a futile one. It makes it all the harder that they hate the US.

Archonix said...
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Archonix said...

It might seem futile, but that's not a reason to give up. Standing up to the rich seemed futile during the early years of world war 2, but fi we'd given up and sued for peace at tha tpoint what would the world be like now?

Best way to save them? One person at a time, my friend. One person at a time.

Archonix said...

*reich

I should spellcheck. :D