Sunday, May 15, 2005

Newsweek Lied! People Died!

It appears that not only Islamists approve the use of taqiyya. So does Newsweek.

As regular readers of Gates are aware, taqiyya and kitman are two types of dissembling used by Muslims when dealing with their enemies.
Photo courtesy CI-CE-CT
    taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya): precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one's convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...
These rules, considered by Westerners to be dishonorable and under some circumstances punishable as perjury, are par for the course when Muslims deal with "outsiders." In fact, when they deal with one another, such tactics are considered to have Mohammed's approval also.
    … 'holy hypocrisy' has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.'
It was such a useful, flexible tool that the Sunnis soon adopted it, too. The US forces are quite aware of this mindset and know that anything Muslim terrorists say is open to question.
    The theory and practice of counter terrorism would be counter productive, indeed pointless, and even harmful, without reference to taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of deception ranging from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training manuals, which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception by terrorists in Western target countries.
Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split 'the enemy'. A favored tactic was 'deceptive triangulation'; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.
Thus, whatever the detainees have to say about the desecration of the Koran is for home consumption. That any news organization would take it seriously --without the most meticulous and thorough investigation -- speaks volumes about motive and intention. They are ignorant at best, mendacious at worst. But above all, they are not to be believed.

The MSM has been absorbed by the enemy within. Those who hate us move through the moral universe using the same compass as the terrorists: whatever it takes to bring us down.
    According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.
The only difference between Islamic jurisprudence and the underlying principles by which the MSM operates is this: the MSM claims to have no slant.

Guess what? The Islamists are more credible.


Anonymous said...

Are you just deluded or a plain liar? Taqiyya is an exclusively Shi'ite doctrine. The Shi'ites do not even count for more than 10% in the whole Muslim world.

Dymphna said...

See Sunni Sources in Support of al-Taqiyya.

It may have started with the Shi'ites but -- to give just one small example -- the Al Qaeda training manuals, primarily written by Sunnis, advocate taqiyya as an integral part of jihad.

Your ad hominem attacks don't change the reality of the essential failure of a belief system that advocates one kind of behavior towards "believers" and another towards "infidels."

I'm neither deluded nor a liar and I plan to avoid becoming a dhimmi.

Next insult?

Always On Watch said...
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GHAZNI, Afghanistan, May 14 -- The mullah drove back and forth past Del Agha's shop in a taxi Thursday, blaring his message through a megaphone: "Our religion and our Koran have been abused! We should all demonstrate after Friday prayers!" Agha recalled being skeptical of the May 9 report in Newsweek that the mullah was referring to, which claimed that interrogators at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had placed copies of the Koran in bathrooms and flushed one down a toilet. But the 47-year-old dried-goods seller decided to join the demonstration anyway in this small city in eastern Afghanistan. "Just as we listen to our religious leaders when they call us to pray in the mosque," Agha explained, "we have to follow them when they make other decisions for us."...

I don't know which is more surreal, that the perceived abuse led to violent outbreaks or that Newsweek released an unsubstantiated story.

What is very revealing in all this hoopla is the last statement in the above citation from The Washington Post. Sounds cultlike to me and puts me in mind of Jim Jones.

Dymphna said...

Kool Aid time. The only problem is, they think we ought to drink it, too.

It would be laughable if it were not so lethal.

ShrinkWrapped said...

The war we are in is an information war. Sadly, our MSM, the primary source of information about the world for most people, is not only unreliable, but often aids and abets the enemy. If you and I know about taqiyya, shouldn't Newsweek? I do not know if their blindness is intentional, based on unconscious motives (fear of reality), or based on incompetence, but they are arming the enemy; there should be no surprise when the enemy uses what our MSM gives them.

Tilo Reber said...

menjalara and dymphna:

Here are the hadith that tells the story of how Mohammed approved of lying in order to have one of his opponents murdered. I have one by Muslim and one by Bukhari.

Book 019, Number 4436:
It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."

jinnderella said...

Dymphna, zub is back! do a post for Winds and I'll bring him to you. ;)
Or one here?

Dymphna said...


Thanks for the thorough reference.
The troll hasn't been back, though. It's amazing how over the top someone can be when threatened. Also amazing she would come by at all...


That's why I alternate between ignoring the MSM and being angry when their ignorance is so loud you can't miss it. Newsweek should know better...thank God med school has higher standards than J school or we'd still have to endure leeches...(sorry, doc. A Freudian slip re the MSM. Sometimes my mind goes where my keyboard did not intend)

Dymphna said...


He's already been back here. I chased him off with a stern lecture on the elements of dialogue when he claimed I wasn't listening. What he meant was that I didn't agree. Zub has fused those two.

I also told him to grow up, but I see from his comments to Wretchard that he is still the same slug he ever was.

He's trolling hard over there right now. Sits under the bridge and jumps out occasionally to make faces and noises at people.

jinnderella said...

Awwh, sorry, Lady D-- i thought we were persuading him before-- alas, he reverted to his intemperate ways. ;(

Dymphna said...


Zub is impervious. His mind has been waxed and cannot be penetrated by the sweet rain of reason. The boy doesn't ever need an umbrella when he's out in the world of thought.

The problem is that he can put subjects and predicates together so it appears that he can think. 'Taint so.

Zub is a 'but.' No matter what you present him with he replies, "but..." and then add his disclaimer. He's predictably boring. Smart, but there's no razor there.

While you, Jinnji, are outrageous, unpredictable and funny. Maybe that's what Zub is missing:wit.

So when does the alt.Kos site start? That would be a blast...


JJ said...

"thank God med school has higher standards than J school or we'd still have to endure leeches."
Actually we still use leeches at hospitals.
When for example re-attaching a lost digit, we place a leech on the tip, so that it will suck blood through the digit in question. Just attaching it wouldn't help, and the digit would die.
Each leech is only used once and discarded.
So now you know :)

Dymphna said...

Perhsps I should have used some other example, hmmm? They aren't used in TB anymore, though.

And maggots are still used to clean out wounds, I'm told.