Tuesday, September 04, 2007

“There Is No Moderate Islam”

“There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

Who said that?

Robert Spencer? Serge Trifkovic? Fjordman? Bat Ye’or?

Recep Tayyip ErdoğanNo, the Prime Minister of Turkey said it, on Turkish television.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is the leader of Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi (AKP, or Justice and Development Party), and has been Prime Minister since 2003. His party is an Islamic party, but is considered “moderate” as such things go, at least by the wishful-thinking dhimmi politicians and media pundits of the West.

Apparently, however, he’s sick of the “moderate” label being bandied about. He’d like to remind everybody that, just as there is only one Allah, there is only one Islam. None of this “moderate” crap for him!
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This story has been around for a couple of weeks, but I only just found out about it. According to MEMRI’s Turkish Media blog:

Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdoğan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007


Hat tip: LN.

17 comments:

Mohamed said...

Yes there is, the Koran:


The Quran(Koran) Concerning other monotheist faiths:


Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin good and forbid wrong; and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are God fearing. 3:113-115

And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture, those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. 3:199

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . 2:62

Say: "O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. 3:64

And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. 2.111-113

If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them 4.124



The Quran(Koran) Concerning who we fight or don't:





As for such who do not fight you on account of faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers. 60:8-9

Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ 22:39-40


The Quran(Koran) Concerning freedom:



2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

24.54. Say: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

The Quran(Koran) concerning justice:


"And among His signs are the creation of the heaven and earth, and the variation in your language and your colors; verily in that are signs for those who know" (30:22).

"Satan seeks only to cast among you enmity and hate"(5:91).

O you who believe! Stand out for justice, as witnesses to God, and even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be rich or poor. An-Nisaa’ 4:134

"O you who believe! Be the maintainers of justice and bearers of witness for God's sake though it be against your own self, parents and relatives" (4:135).

"O you mankind! We have created you from a single pair of male and female and made you into nations and tribes so that you know each other. Verily the most honored in the sight of God is the one who is most righteous" (49:13).

Islam is peace

Antonio said...

To Mo

Nice fairy tale.
But if Islam is peace why do muslims only do war?

Anonymous said...

“There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

100 % correct.

Henrik said...

Daniel Pipes has been propagating the idea of 'Moderate Islam' for quite a while. Lately, he's started to take quite a bit of flak for that idea, as people are starting to realize it's a mirage, not a reality.

For some Islam-bashing fun, enjoy the comments to this article, where he defends the Quran against a potential ban (yes!):

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/4868

Steve said...

The peace of the grave, perhaps.

Henrik said...

"But if Islam is peace why do muslims only do war?"

Well, you can always submit to the will of Allah in order to protect your life and property.

Unfortunately, as Muhammad stated many times, those peaceful Muslims who do merely that are bound for the deepest abyss of Hell.

It's a tough mindset to believe in. Only war saves you, specifically death while killing infidels.

Roger said...

Ja, that's it. Communion with Allah through death in battle. Every strain of Islam has this in common except for Sufism.

Gringo_Malo said...

Does this mean that posters on this blog will cease using such silly words as Islamism and Islamofascism, and just say Islam?

Roger said...

Can't say Islam 'cos it's like saying "All muslims are terrorists".

Anonymous said...

Can't say Islam 'cos it's like saying "All muslims are terrorists".

That's incorrect, because "Islam" is not a synonym for "Muslims".

It seems a lot of people find it extraordinarily difficult to grasp the very simple distinction between Islam as the religion on the one hand, and Muslims as the adherents of Islam on the other hand.

Henrik said...

"Every strain of Islam has this in common except for Sufism."

Actually, I don't believe that Sufism is a strain of Islam at all. Muhammad and his cronies certainly didn't practice anything of that kind. Most likely it's a Zoroastrian practice ursuped by Islam.

"Does this mean that posters on this blog will cease using such silly words as Islamism and Islamofascism, and just say Islam?"

No, 'cause that'd bring us in direct confrontation with Islam at large. Only the good (that is, violent) Muslims are a problem. The majority are peaceful. I've dropped the term 'moderate Islam' from my vocabulary, and am now using 'peaceful Muslims' instead. Fortunately, they're a majority :)

Geraldo said...

To Henrik

You are wrong.
Islam is really a devil off a religion and there is really no such thing as moderate Islam.
I strongly recommand a look at faithfreedom, especialy the article "YOU WORRY ME".
Even if there were moderate muslims these would be dangerous to as extremist hide among them, looks (to non muslins eyes) exactly like them and they dont signal to us these extremists.
And if the time of fightings comes they will stand with their fellow muslims.
So, for practical purposes, forget about it.
Tayyip Erdoğan is absolutely right, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.

Subvet said...

I learned all I needed to know about Islam on 9/11/01 and the days immediately after. As I recall, the only followers of the pedophile prophet who expressed sorrow were in the streets of Tehran. Maybe that was because they're looking to the USA for delivery from the mullahs, I don't know.

But I do know there were other Muslims dancing in celebration, they were also quick to play "blame the victim" and to trot out Zionist conspiracy theories.

Yep, I've learned all I needed to know then.

Profitsbeard said...

It's peaceful I say, and I'll kill you if you disagree!!

Religion of peace, unless you don't believe in it.

Then it's the religion of hack-you-to-pieces.

Sura 9:5 "...slay the infidels wherever you find them...

Sura 2:193: "Fight against them until unbelief is no more..."

Misogynistic and intolerant spewings based on the revenge fantasies of a pedophile warlord.

I believe it's schizophrenic nonsense.

Geraldo said...

To Subvet

Sun Tzu advice: "know your enemy"

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John Savage said...

The distinction between "moderate Islam" and "moderate Muslims" -- summed up in Mark Steyn's muddleheaded statement, "there is no moderate Islam, but there are moderate Muslims," -- makes no sense. If there's no "moderate Islam", then what do "moderate Muslims" practice?

Islam is an inherently extreme belief system, so that "radical Islam" is redundant. It should be thought of the same way as other extreme belief systems. People who believe the central doctrine of jihad are not moderate, and those who deny the doctrine of jihad are not Muslims. To the extent that the latter still (wrongly) claim to be Muslims, we should call them "nominal Muslims" or "Muslims in name only", not "moderate Muslims".

More here.