See RT for photos and video.
Did the incident have anything to do with Islam or terrorism? Not according to the Belgian government:
“Interior Ministry official Peter Mertens said the attack did not involve terrorism but did not explain why he thought that.”
Well, I can explain why he thought that. He thought that because he was told to think it by his superiors in Belgium, the EU, and all the way up to the OIC. The Muslim Brotherhood issues the talking points, and their dhimmi servants in Europe dutifully repeat them.
Interestingly enough, although the mainstream outlets seem to be avoiding discussing competing versions of the story, reports on forums and other internet sites say that there were actually three attackers, and at least one was heard to shout “Allahu Akhbar!” during his rampage.
The latest report from the AP:
Attack in Belgian City Leaves 4 Dead, 75 Wounded
LIEGE, Belgium (AP) — A man armed with grenades and an assault rifle attacked holiday shoppers Tuesday at a central square in the Belgian city of Liege, leaving four people dead and wounding 75 others, officials said.
It was not immediately clear what motivated the attack in the busy Place Saint-Lambert, the central entry point to downtown shopping streets in the industrial city in eastern Belgium. The attack ignited a stampede of hundreds, as shoppers fled the explosions and bullets.
Interior Ministry official Peter Mertens said the attack did not involve terrorism but did not explain why he thought that.
Belgian officials identified the attacker as Norodine Amrani, 33, a Liege resident who they said had done jail time for offenses involving guns, drugs and sexual abuse. He was among the dead, but Liege Prosecutor Danielle Reynders told reporters it was unclear if he committed suicide or died by accident. He did not die at the hands of police, she said.
The dead also included two teenage boys, 15 and 17, and a 75-year-old woman, she said. The La Libre newspaper reported that a 2-year-old girl was clinging to life.
Reynders said Amrani had been summoned for police questioning on Tuesday but the reason for the questioning was not clear. He still had a number of grenades with him when he died, she said.
Officials said Amrani left his home in Liege with a backpack, armed with hand grenades, a revolve and an FAL assault rifle. He walked alone to the central square, then got onto a platform that gave him an ideal view of the square below, which was bedecked with a huge Christmas tree and crowded with shoppers.
From there, Amrani lobbed three hand grenades toward a nearby bus shelter, which serves 1,800 buses a day, then opened fire on the crowd. The explosions sent glass from the bus shelter across a wide area.
“I heard a loud boom,” said witness Dimitri Degryse. “I thought it was something on my car that was broken or something. Then a few seconds after a second boom, and I saw all the glass breaking, I saw people running, screaming.”
As soon as the shooting began, hundreds of people fled the square as well as a Christmas market in an adjacent square, rampaging through old city streets looking for cover. Video from the scene showed people, including a large group of children, fleeing the city center, some still carrying shopping bags.
[…]
Police closed off the area but found no accomplices and calm returned a few hours after.
Dawn has some intriguing details:
Lone Gunman Kills One, Wounds 64 in Belgian City Attack
Liege — A lone gunman opened fire on a square packed with children and Christmas shoppers in the eastern Belgian city of Liege Tuesday, killing three people before turning the gun on himself.
More than 60 people were also wounded in the lunch-hour attack, public prosecutor Daniel Reynders said, adding that the gunman was among the two dead. The country’s federal crisis centre said it was neither a terrorist incident nor linked to a pending criminal trial.
“It was a lone gunman,” the centre’s Benoit Ramacker told AFP.
“It’s very difficult to determine the reasons for the attack, but we’re investigating all avenues.”Belgium’s Home Affairs Minister Joelle Milquet broke off European Union talks and was headed for Liege after the attack, as was newly-named Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo.
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Some reports said it was a foiled bid to rescue a suspect from the courthouse but judicial sources named the lone wolf as Nordine Amrani, who was known to police.
The sources said police had raided his Liege home recently seeking cannabis plants but had found arms instead. In 2008 he was senteced to almost five years behind bars for illegal possession of arms and growing cannabis.
There was much initial confusion over the events, with initial reports of more than one gunman.
“We heard two huge deafening noises and then lots of explosions, people were running everywhere,” a baker named only as Patricia said on RTL-TV. “We closed the door, turned off the lights and hid behind the counter with the customers.”
Journalist Nicolas Gilenne told AFP he had just left the courthouse where he was covering a trial when the attack began.
“I saw a man wave his arm and throw something at the bus shelter. I heard an explosion. He turned around, picked something else up, pulled the pin. I started to run. He was alone and seemed very much in control.
“He wanted to hurt as many people as possible. I heard four explosions and shots during about 10 seconds.” Residents earlier told local television that shots were fired across the square by gunmen posted on the rooftop of a bakery shop and grenades hurled at bus shelters and into the courthouse.
Reports had also said that two to three gunmen armed with either explosive flash grenades or killer defensive grenades were involved.
“The city centre is completely cordonned off. People are sheltering in shops or in buildings. Police are in position,” said a town hall employee contacted by AFP who asked not to be identified.
“Luckily the mayor had postponed the opening of the Christmas market due to bad weather and high winds. Otherwise many more would have died,” the source added.
From the live blog in The Telegraph:
At least two people have been killed and dozens wounded when up to four grenades exploded outside the main courthouse in the eastern Belgian city of Liege.
16.27 Still confusion over whether the Liege gunman committed suicide or died by accident: [Twitter] #Liege: police still inquiring if the attacker committed suicide. No confirmation still
16.09 Officials now say Amrani was on his way for police questioning when he launched the attack. Liege Prosecutor Danielle Reynders said the attack, in which the man lobbed three grenades and opened fire, resulted in the deaths of the gunman and three other people - a 15-year-old boy, a 17-year-old girl and a 75-year-old woman. Seventy-five people were wounded. La Libre Belgique newspaper reported that a 2-year-old girl was clinging to life. Officials say he had more grenades with him.
16.00 Officials say Liege gunman had criminal record involving guns, drugs and sex offenses
Hat tips: JP, Gaia.
35 comments:
I agree... the politically correct media wants to identify him as only a resident of the city, and officials fast to declare it a non-terrorist incident, just like the Fort Hood shooting in America, where the shooter was a Jihadist... I hate main steam idiocy.
Not to be outdone by this, Italian "right-wing extremist" Gianluca Casseri killed two Africans in Florence today. Interestingly, while Norodine is apparently crazy, Gianluca isn't - because he targeted only blacks.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/13/us-italy-florence-shooting-idUSTRE7BC1OR20111213
"Don't tell me he was crazy, because if he were crazy he would have killed both blacks and whites," one African man who took part in the march was quoted as saying by the Italian news agency Ansa."
5 killed and over 120 wounded now:(
his corpse, his family and the imam of his mosque should be deported.
I have a feeling this will disappear from the news cycle very quickly outside Belgium. I just have that feeling for some reason.
Now we wait for the Amrani "Manifesto" to be found..
The target (a Christmas market), perpetrator (a convicted Muslim) and outcome (death of gunman by probable suicide) all point to an act of sudden jihad.
I have a feeling this will disappear from the news cycle very quickly outside Belgium. I just have that feeling for some reason.
they telling it as if the terrorist wasn't a muslim.
how many muslims are working in the media? who are the shareholders of the media?
so, according to the media this has nothing to do with terrorism. And they keep on lying... and lying... and lying... I've read lots of essays from Fjordman, but somehow I still can't understand the reason for this madness and insanity of historical proportions. A normal person just can't understand it.
I have a feeling this will disappear from the news cycle very quickly outside Belgium. I just have that feeling for some reason.
they are telling it as if the terrorist wasn't a muslim.
how many muslims are working in the media? who are the shareholders of the media?
Currently (midnight), in the italian media (RAINEWS24 - hard leftist) they write about a terrorist attack in Liegi.
The killer in Florence is referred as a madman with links with Casa Pound (a squatters social center with fascist leaning).
"He thought that because he was told to think it by his superiors in Belgium, the EU, and all the way up to the OIC."
- Exactly!
I think this should be pointed out at every occasion, both to the public that hasn't understood this yet, and to the politicians and the media.
Even French TV was very quick to point out this, that "it had nothing to do with islam, was not a terrorist attack, whatever".
This brings me back to the reactions form the Madrid bombings, as well as further back to 2001 New York, where you could see the same eagerness to point out "nothing to do with islam".
The infiltration and the grip on the mass media is alarmingly close to total.
You can only imagine the rage in Italy where, like in so many European countries, Africans are harassing locals and tourists with their useless products as part of the invasion, and as a European people you are supposed to accept this.
No one should be surprised that Europeans take matters into their own hands when they are seeing their countries degraded by muslim invasion.
Accepting invasion is against human nature.
PS Pointing out that I was referring to the Firenze killings by the Italian.
Please see post a minute ago.
I think the Amrani manifesto has already been found. If I'm not mistaken, it is called the koran.
One year ago, on 12 December 2010, the suicide bomber tried to take with him many Swedish Christmas shoppers in Stockholm
Luckily he only succeeded in killing himself.
"how many muslims are working in the media? who are the shareholders of the media?"
Good point. Infiltration on a larger scale.
I fnd it intriquing that officials are making disclaimers about the event (not being terrorism) before any actual investigation is done. This line also interested me:
"Ms Reynders said although the gunman had a record for drugs dealing, arms possession and holding stolen goods, there had never been a sign he was unbalanced in any way."
To quote Jean Raspail, "Perhaps that might be one explanation..."
Sudden jihad syndrome.
Nothing the matter people - walk on now, please.
The infiltration and the grip on the mass media is alarmingly close to total.
now you understand why we had the inquisition.
on another note:
a tv channel in an european country made a news report, 100% taqiya, to commemorate (their words) the islamic invasion in the 8th century. they deserve a boycott on large scale to go bankrupt. i'm for single out a dhimmi media and make a massive boyccot to bankrupt it.
Give it a rest and get off your racist soapbox.
And in other news:
Christian extremist Ross T. Ashley was identified as the mass murder behind the Virginia Tech murders recently.
and
Christian extremist Anders Behring Breivik was behind the Norway massacre.
Nordine Amrani's Facebook page:
fr-ca.facebook.com/people/Amrani-Nordin/100001784924472?sk=info
Charity School Concert Attacked by Congo Protesters
The carol concert was raising money for MacMillan Cancer Support. It was organised by a group of friends whose loved ones had been treated for cancer.
Masked teenage boys ‘stormed’ the singers, throwing bottles of water and hot drinks into the crowd. A woman in her 40s, said to be undergoing treatment for breast cancer, was pulled to the ground. A youth attempted to set light to the Christmas tree,...
On Thursday a group of 200 Congo demonstrators forced the evacuation of Oxford Circus tube station, central London, after they set off a passenger alarm on an underground train.
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8949752/Charity-carol-concert-attacked-by-Congo-protesters.html
cofcc.org/2011/12/black-mob-attacks-charity-concert-in-london/
@Sagunto - He already has a manifesto, its called the Qur'an.
So where, in a European country where guns are tightly controlled, did this "anamolous, lone-wolf, totally unconnected to Islam" shooter get his FAL and hand grenades?
Darrin Hodges -
"He already has a manifesto, its called the Qur'an"
Quite right. It's Allah's license to kill for Muslims.
Take care,
Sag
It might be a coincidence, but notice the flag on one of his rocket launchers:
Gazette van Antwerpen
M
Sagunto,
Please take a look at my questions to you on my blog (second article down). Thanks,
Hesp
Yolanda said...
Give it a rest and get off your racist soapbox.
Tabari IX:113 "allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals..."
the jihadist was a member of a salafist group
alertadigital.com/2011/12/13/el-islamista-autor-de-la-masacre-de-lieja-queria-atacar-a-cuantas-mas-personas-fuera-posible/
Yolanda said...
Give it a rest and get off your racist soapbox.
Daily Mail:
Alarming rise of Muslim 'honour attacks' in the UK as police reveal thousands were carried out last year
London sees the highest number of honour crimes, with West Midlands second
Call for more support for victims as cases rise by more than 300 per cent in some areas
Culprits hailed 'heroes' in the community for carrying out the attacks
MEMRI:
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum of the Jordanian Tahrir Party, Discusses Jihad against Germany, Vows to Annihilate Israel, and Pledges to Impose the Jizya Poll Tax on Non-Muslims
Following are excerpts from an interview with Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum of the Jordanian Tahrir Party, which aired on JoSat TV on December 8, 2011:
Interviewer: Should the Muslims fight the People of the Book [i.e., Jews and Christians], in order to force them to pay the jizya poll tax? Should the Muslims fight all the People of the Book worldwide?
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: This fighting is in order to remove obstacles. It is waged against countries, not against individuals. When we declare Jihad against Germany, for instance, it is declared against the German state, for refusing to allow Islam to spread to the people of Germany. We give them a choice: Either to convert to Islam, or to pay the jizya and submit to the laws of Islam. The jizya is the only tax paid by non-Muslims, whereas the Muslims pay the zakkat, the kharraj, and the rikkaz, as well as other taxes, if there is not enough money for the army…
Interviewer: So why does it come as a surprise that the Europeans fear you, when you say that we should fight them all…
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: We should fight the states and the armies, not the people…
Interviewer: Exactly, you want to fight the states…
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: We will not fight the people, we will not kill the people, but if a certain state insists on preventing the spreading of Islam on its soil, we will fight that state.
Interviewer: So Samuel Huntington's book The Clash of Civilizations, and even before that, Fokoyama, who predicted that the next conflict would be between Islam and the West… What you are saying means that they were right…
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: There is indeed a clash of civilizations. They brought colonialism to us… If not for Jihad, Islam would not have reached us and all the other places. Within a quarter of a century, Islam reached most of the ancient world by means of Jihad. The common people want Islam. Anyone who doesn't can stick to his own religion. Here in the Levant, most of our forefathers were not Muslims, but they converted to Islam because of its goodness and justice. The small minority in the Muslim countries that remained…
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Interviewer: Fine. Let me just ask you an important question. So, we are commanded to fight in order to spread the religion of Allah…
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: Yes, this is Islam's way of spreading.
[…]
Interviewer: If you come to power, will you liberate Palestine?
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: Yes, yes. Jihad should be declared in order to annihilate Israel. This is a monstrous entity that must be eradicated.
Interviewer: Would you agree to a Christian becoming finance minister, for example?
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: No, I wouldn't. For starters, there are no ministries in Islam. There is an official who is empowered [by the imam]. This is one of the ruling positions, which are exclusively for Muslims. Anyone who is part of the rule – the head of state, who is the Caliph, the empowered official, the executive official, the wali, or the governor – must be a Muslim. Moreover, he must be a man.
[…]
European countries live in prehistoric, prehuman times. Gay marriage – women with women and men with men… Is that your secularism??!
Political activist Omar Abu Rassa: Is that all you've seen in the West?!
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: The millions who took to Wall Street shouted: "The people want to topple the regime." Don't you cut me off.
Omar Abu Rassa: The only thing you saw in the West was homosexuals? That's the West for you?
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: What else do they have?
Omar Abu Rassa: Scientific accomplishments, freedom of thought…
Sheik Ahmad Abu Quddum: What scientific accomplishments?! We [Muslims] brought them there.
[…]
The future belongs to Islam. The Islamic caliphate is bound to come, as was foretold by our Prophet Muhammad. That there will be a caliphate following the path of the Prophet Muhammad.
[…]
Yolanda said...
Give it a rest and get off your racist soapbox.
12/13/2011 9:14 PM
Girl gets a year in jail, 100 lashes for adultery
By Adnan Shabrawi
JEDDAH – A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus.
The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse.
Hi Hesp -
Good to see you again, however brief, here on GoV!
I will look into it, kinda busy right now, but I will answer your questions to the best of my ability in due time.
Take care, and all the best from Amsterdam,
Sag
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