Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Sex, Gender, and Civilization

In one of our comment threads last night, latté island requested an open thread on a specific topic:

I’d also like to see a discussion about social issues such as women’s and gay rights, and how that relates to the counterjihad and Western renewal. Since Dymphna is busy writing something else, why don’t we have a topic without a whole essay, or a guest essay, or whatever. It’s long overdue. To save time, it could read something like: Women. Gays. The West. Discuss. We all have lots to say, we don’t have to wait for someone to write a whole essay.

You asked for it, you got it. Discuss.

I’ll just put in my own two cents before the food fight starts in earnest.

All the rights that women have or might want to have — or the rights held by anyone else, for that matter — do not trump the rights of the larger community. When any given personal right, if fully exercised by large numbers of people, threatens the existence of the community or the culture at large, then that right is forfeit.

It’s unfortunate, but true: your right to do X without restriction is worthless if the simultaneous practice of X by millions of people leads to the destruction of society. Then the barbarians — who summarily execute people who practice X — take over, and the whole question becomes moot.

In the case of women, such issues might include voting, abortion, contraception, etc. Many other practices have been added to the list of modern “rights”: the autonomy of children, sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, bestiality, satanism, you name it.

An argument over any given right would do well to examine whether the full implementation of that right would tend to destroy the culture that permits it.

OK, check all your weapons at the door, and then have at it.


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Anonymous said...

Egghead wrote: latté island: I thought about your posts today, and what I wonder is WHY you care so much about the gay, lesbian, transsexual issue?

Why do YOU care so much? I'll disclose that I wasn't completely straight as a teenager, and since I'm not sorry, I'm headed for hell. LOL. Of course I'm concerned that the religious right wants to control and punish things that are completely normal.

As for why gays need my help with politics: yes they do. Because my life as an adult has been one of heterosexual privilege, I'm not as damaged and alienated as most people who have lived a gay lifestyle. So, maybe I have more mental freedom to see both sides of the issue, and I want to help both sides find some common ground instead of all this blaming and reaction, which can only help the Jihad.

Anonymous said...

Here's WHY I care: Throughout history, societal acceptance of a gay lifestyle appears to lead to pederasty whether in ancient Greece - or modern Islamic countries.

The most gay places in the world today are Islamic and provide a CLEAR picture of the disadvantages that an unchallenged gay lifestyle offers to women and their children.

Man boy sex (Pederasty) in Islam

Anonymous said...

Two more articles with reasons for concern:

<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2010/07/frr-jun-2010-western-gay-rights-islamic-pederasty/>Jun 2010 – Western ‘Gay Rights’, Islamic Pederasty</a>

<http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/afghan-pedophiles-and-pederasts-unfettered-by-u-s-nato>Dec 2010 - Afghan pedophiles and pederasts unfettered by U.S., NATO</a>

Anonymous said...

You don't have to go to the Ummah to find pederasty. There seems to be some of that going around in some Western churches, and they cover it up instead of sincerely trying to protect children. This is not a gay issue, it's a sexual repression issue. I think frank discussion and acceptance of the varieties of adult consensual sexuality can protect children from immature, sexually repressed male authority figures.

Anonymous said...

oops! :)

Jun 2010 – Western ‘Gay Rights’, Islamic Pederasty

Dec 2010 - Afghan pedophiles and pederasts unfettered by U.S., NATO

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia: "Anthropologists propose three subdivisions of homosexuality as age-structured, egalitarian and gender-structured.[2][3] Pederasty is the archetypal example of male age-structured homosexuality.[2]

Anthropologist Geoffrey Gorer distinguishes pederasty from pedophilia, which he defined as a separate fourth type that he described as "grossly pathological in all societies of which we have record." According to Gorer, the main characteristic of homosexual pederasty is the age difference (either of generation or age-group) between the partners. In his study of native cultures, pederasty appears typically as a passing stage in which the adolescent is the beloved of an older male, who may act as a mentor. He remains as such until he reaches a certain developmental threshold, after which he in turn takes on an adolescent beloved of his own.[4]"

Sagunto said...

Latté -

You wrote:

"There seems to be some of that going around in some Western churches, and they cover it up instead of sincerely trying to protect children. This is not a gay issue, it's a sexual repression issue."

False. This is an issue of sexual "liberation" promoted by post-war progressives and for some time (the time of incidental abuse, in far lower rates than outside the Church) adopted by mostly laymen and some priests in pre and post Vatican-II times.

I am now reminded of your facile Pope-bashing topic of some time ago on your own blog. I suspect you are not in a position to discuss matters in a frank and open manner.

This is what you had to say about B-16's comments on false "tolerance" and "pluralism":

"This gobbledegook is almost indistinguishable from Islamic ranting, minus the calls to beat women."

I regret to say that what you seem to be, is just another condescending ("intelligence"?) and typically bigoted progressive propagandist. Pity.


Anonymous said...

Note how Wikipedia refers to pederasty in glowing terms as a "legitimate" form of homosexuality.

All this talk of "beloved" belies the truth which is that boys, most of whom are heterosexual, are FORCED by unrelated older men to engage in homosexual activity as a societal norm.

Western civilization (except the Wikipedia writers) realized that pederasty is just a fancy name for long-term pedophilia and made it a crime.

Anonymous said...

Islamic civilization accepts and promotes pedophilia for both boys and girls as a part of the Muslim male prerogative.

I firmly believe that pederasty IS a gay issue - rather than a sexual repression issue.

Ancient Greece had NO sexual repression (no Catholic guilt and no Puritan mores); but, when gay men obtained power, gay men instituted pederastic pedophilia as a societal norm.

The same pattern occurred in Islam where gay men have achieved 1,400+ years of power to molest multiple little boys with permission and impunity from Allah via Mohammed.

Anonymous said...

Hi Sagunto: Thanks for your various comments. I always enjoy reading them! :)

Hi Zenster: I gather that Ann B. tickled your fancy. Feminist enough, for you? :)

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