VH notes:
Geert Wilders is also threatened in #9, though in a bit more cryptic fashion, and not as directly as Filip Dewinter is threatened.
Apart from this, it is remarkable that the converts like “sister” Amira [Elske] and Zainab nut also the “sister” Al-Imane are getting confused about the true Islam. And a few “outsiders” registered and jumped in to defend Dewinter and Wilders. I have not yet been able to read further, but it would be interesting to see if they become apostates in the end.
First, from Elsevier:
Filip Dewinter threatened on Dutch Muslim Site
By Arne Hankel
The Belgian politician Filip Dewinter of the right-wing[1] party Vlaams Belang has asked the Netherlands to take steps against the Muslim ansaar.nl website. On the site he is threatened with death. This is what the Flemish newspaper De Morgen reported this Tuesday.
Head cut off
On the website there is a call for the head of the Vlaams Belang-leader to be cut off[2] and “death to the kafir”. Also it says in Arabic that Dewinter must show remorse or else will have to pay for it with his life.
It is not the first time that Dewinter has been a target of threats because of his opinions. Last weekend the secretariat of his party received a letter with white powder. Research has yet to reveal whether the substance is harmful.
Continuing with paragraphs from the Flemish newspaper De Morgen:
Dewinter has now sent a letter to the Dutch Minister of Justice, Hirsch Ballin. In it he asked the Dutch government to take action against the website. “I suppose these are as criminal the Netherlands as they are in Belgium,” The spokesman of Dewinter said, “We take this seriously. Unfortunately, in your country there already have been victims of Muslim terror. Therefore, these kind of expressions should be addressed as soon as possible.”
The Ministry of Justice yesterday already made known to take the matter seriously and will respond to the letter of Dewinter as soon as possible. It is not the first time that Dewinter is a target of threats due to his views and frank opinions. Only last weekend the secretariat of his party [Vlaams Belang, Flemish Interest] received a letter with white powder. Research has yet to reveal whether the substance is harmful.
Notes:
| [1] | “Extreme right-wing” in the Elsevier article is translated here as “right-wing”. | |
| [2] | “Death to the opponents of Islam DEATH TO Dewinter!!!!! May Allah make him meet a horrible death!!!! Allah akbar allah akbar Inchaallah he will be beheaded!!!!!! Let me ya rab [“oh, Lord”, Lebanese expression — translator] be a martyr!!!!” [posted by Al Mutakabir, Soldier of Allah: comment #8] “May Allah curse Dewinter and Geert Wilders death inshaallah to the opponents of Islam” [posted by Brother, Super Ansaar member: comment #9] “Hope I will meet Dewinter personally myself. No words but deeds, that is how I see it.” [Abu Bakr-Ardi Allah, comment #10] “The bastards. Dewinter has a big mouth, if he ever has the courage to come to us alone, behind the PC or desk, is it simple, and Muslims this Muslims that, Dewinter you know if you come alone, we beat you into the hospital dirty jew.” [moslim1979, comment #18] “We declare him war!! Such people like him must like in the medieval times cut off the head after such a statement was made. [mad.gif]” [Mc Rico — DHC, comment #22] |
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Dewinter declares war on Islam
[February 28, 2009]
#1- Amira — elske (Vicinity of Brussels, age 29, “Sister”)
Dewinter declares war on Islam
07:44 Update “If Muhammad were alive today, I would call him a terrorist.” Vlaams Belang leader Filip Dewinter-started its campaign for the Flemish Parliamentary elections. He does that with his book “Inch’Allah?”. This according to Dewinter, provides understanding of the true nature of Islam.
According to Dewinter, the Islamization of Europe is “a time bomb”. “My message: with the massive immigration and Islamization we bring in the Trojan Horse.”
“Insidious poison”
“It is an insidious poison, and nothing less but the third Islamic invasion in the history of Europe. For Islam strives for world domination and a moderate European Islam is an illusion.” Dewinter also says that he knows that the majority of Muslims do not belong to the radical tendencies. “But unfortunately those have nothing to say, because the majority of the mosques are in the hands of radicals.”
“Superiority”
He paints a black future picture of an Islamized Europe, and referred to the Battle of Poitiers and the Battle of Vienna in order to clarify how to turn around “this third Islamic invasion”. “We need to stop the multi-culture and dare to convey the superiority of our civilization. Europe is a continent of churches and cathedrals, not of mosques and minarets.”
Gva.be — Dewinter declares war on Islam [February 28, 2009]
[Comments: February 28, 2009]
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#3 Amira — elske (Vicinity of Brussels, age 29, “Sister”)
I rather hope that Allah will lead him to Islam and opens his eyes to see the truth about Islam.
[motto] The woman was created from the rib of man. Not from the head, to be higher. Not from his feet to be trampled. But from his rib to be equal. Beside the arm to be protected. And beside the heart to be loved.
“17 months 2 weeks 2 days since Shahada” [i.e. a convert — transaltor]
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#4 Zainab — Moderator (the Netherlands, age 16, “Sister”)
Quote: Amira — elske: I rather hope that Allah will lead him to Islam and opens his eyes to see the truth about Islam.
Yes okay, you are right about that [smile.gif]
[motto] Zainab Umm Rukhsaar, Da3watu Salafiyya, Qoraan wa Sunnah bi fahm Salaf!!!, Oum an Nawawy* [heartpump.gif]
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#5 Momo (“Brother”)
He just wants attention like that faggot wilders.
Last changed by Momo on March 1, 2009.
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#6 Amira — elske (Vicinity of Brussels, age 29, “Sister”)
Can you try not to use this terrible disease is as a term of abuse?
[motto] The woman was created from the rib of man … [etc.]
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#7 Deen_Al_Islaam (Belgium, near Antwerp, age16. “Sister”)
[eek.gif] Astagfiroellah.
May Allah Subhannahoe wa’tala, give him his deserved punishments.
[motto] [hijab.gif] Proud ²be a Moslima [peaceux5.gif]
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#8 Al Mutakabir — Soldier of Allah (Europe, age 31, “Brother”)
Death to the opponents of Islam DEATH TO Dewinter!!!!! May Allah make him meet a horrible death!!!! Allah akbar allah akbar Inchaallah he will be beheaded!!!!!! Let me ya rab [“oh, Lord”, Lebanese expression — translator] be a martyr!!!!”
[motto, in Arabic] “They follow nothing but conjecture and conjecture is no substitute for the right thing”
[motto] Surely they follow only their suppositions and suppositions cannot match the truth.
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#9 Brother- Super Ansaar member (age 27, “Brother”)
May Allah curse Dewinter and Geert Wilders death inshaallah to the opponents of Islam [peaceux5.gif]
[motto] When I met the Christians, I started to love Islam,
When I got to know Islam, I have experienced how it feels to be discriminated against. When I experienced how it feels to be discriminated against, I learned to know my friends.
[banner: As-Shahab ]
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[March 1, 2009]
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#10 Abu Bakr- Ardi Allah (Palestine, age 27, “Brother”)
Quote: Deen_Al_Islaam — May Allah Subhannahoe wa’tala, give him his deserved punishments. Proud ²be a Moslima
Amin
Hope I will meet Dewinter personally myself. No words but deeds, that is how I see it.
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#11 Abdelouahed (“Brother”)
I recently heard him say that he is at peace with the new type of young Muslims who thus are born Muslims but do little with their religion.
This proves once again how weak we Muslims are in Europe, and how we give strength and inspiration to such people.
[motto] The Prophet [forums.ansaar.nl/images/smilies/saws.gif] has said: ‘The world is a prison for the believer, and a paradise for the unbeliever. (Sah’ih’ Moeslim)
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#12 Amira — elske (Vicinity of Brussels, age 29, “Sister”)
I don’t understand you, did Muhammad peace be upon him deal with people like that who were anti-Islamic? No, not at all, he remained calm and tried to convince people in a peaceful way. Only when he was physically attacked did he sometimes counterattack.
I only hope that ever one day Mr. Dewinter will learn what Islam really is, and he no longer relies on Muslims who practice incorrectly.
[motto] The woman was created from the rib of man … [etc]
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#13 i love islam (“Sister”)
[love.gif]
Quote: Brother May Allah curse Dewinter and Geert Wilders death inshaallah to the opponents of Islam
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#14 Zainab - Moderator (the Nederlands, age 16, “Sister”)
Quote: I don’t understand you, did Muhammad peace be upon him deal with people like that who were anti-Islamic? No, not at all, he remained calm and tried to convince people in a peaceful way. Only when he was physically attacked did he sometimes counterattack.
I only hope that ever one day Mr. Dewinter will learn what Islam really is, and he no longer relies on Muslims who practice incorrectly.
You are right in that sister, but look how he talks about our Prophet SAW, that just goes too far!
[motto] Zainab Umm Rukhsaar, Da3watu Salafiyya, Qoraan wa Sunnah bi fahm Salaf!!!, Oum an Nawawy [heartpump.gif]
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#15 Amira — elske (Vicinity of Brussels, age 29, “Sister”)
Yes, you’re right in that
But you know, the Prophet let himself be spat upon and jeered at.
If we place ourselves in the position of our prophet, how would he then respond, would he want him dead or he would quietly explain what Islam means, and would he still wish the best and by kindness in deeds show how a Muslim is supposed to behave well
[motto] The woman was created from the rib of man … [etc]
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--------------------------------------------#16 Ala_Eddine — Al Hurriya Li Falastine ! (Rotterdam and Berkane, age 15, “Brother”)
Astaghfirollah. May Allan punish him.
I just see on the TV News that the PVV is the highest in the polls !!
[motto] Be patient, surely the promise of Allah is true: and let those who have no certainty not make you waver. (30:60)
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009
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#17 Vlaming (member since October 20, 2009, “Brother”)
@ Al Mutakabir: You are a disgrace to your people. Do you really think Allah lets extremists like you come to paradise? I can still say as much here, but you’re just not worth it! Ultimately, we are all humans of flesh and blood and you are no more than a fly on a pile of dung.
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#18 moslim1979 (“Brother”) [Flemish accent in writing]
The bastards. Dewinter has a big mouth, if he ever has the courage to come to us alone, behind the PC or desk, is it simple, and Muslims this Muslims that, Dewinter you know if you come alone, we beat you into the hospital dirty jew.
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#19 orthodox_pride (member since October 20, 2009, “Brother”)
I’m just a big fan of WILDERS and DEWINTER, and you Muslims just have to learn to adjust yourself if you’re living in a NON Islamic country, FITNA speaks for itself, Wilders and Dewinter are right when they curse Islam and you Muslims wish for days that god curses them, I mean, wake up, where do you get that nonsense from, these are children’s stories. I would say, just get off your lazy ass and find a decent job to participate in society rather than spend the whole day on the internet writing such nonsense… (ps I’m at work and I have a break [biggrin.gif]
Muslims are just a sect that floats in your low-developed heads and on any criticism muslims answer with stupid things like murders and slaughter, and then you all find it strange that people call you terrorists, try to use your head for once and fight to that way of criticism when Islam is as peace-making as you say.
WILDERS FOR PRESIDENT!!
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#20 Al-Imane- 3ibadoe Allah (swt) (Utrecht- darulKoefr, “Sister”)
Indeed, there are terrible things being said about the best creature [saws.gif], and indeed we must stand up for him, more than we would defend our parents.
But know! Our beloved Prophet [saws.gif] has experienced these terrible things HIMSELF, and even 10 times as bad!
And he, the best creation among all creations, the most beloved person, the creature that is ever mentioned after the name of Allaah, did he let himself be guided by his desires?? Did he let hmslef be guided by his feelings for revenge??? Did he immediately began to wish people to hell??? Was he [saws.gif] not the first to visit his ill Jewish neighbor, even though he had always done him [saws.gif] terrible things?
Galaas, let ansaar.nl, and thus also Islam, not be set in a bad light stand by such comments.
I ask the moderator to thus remove them..
Itaqi Allah ya dunya ahlu…
Initially, I say all this to myself…
[motto] Keyboard-Jihadist, Please no pm’s of brothers!!!!, last changed by Al-Imane: Today at 15:56.
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#21 Al-Imane- 3ibadoe Allah (swt) (Utrecht- darulKoefr, “Sister”)
Quote: orthodox_pride — I’m just a big fan of WILDERS and DEWINTER, … [biggrin.gif]
And you for sure need to adapt when you are in an Islamic forum, do not be a hypocrite with your statements…
[motto] Keyboard-Jihadist, Please no pm’s of brothers!!!!
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#22 Mc Rico — DHC (Stad achter de Duinen [The Hague], age 27, “Brother”)
We declare him war!! Such people like him must like in the medieval times cut off the head after such a statement was made. [mad.gif]
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#23 UHF (member since October 20, 2009, “Brother”)
@Al Mutakabir
It is unfortunate that because of your over reacting and preaching violence Muslims get such a bad name. You are 31 years old and let yourself fully know in this way.
Many words, little content, a well known Dutch proverb.
Like barking dogs do not bite.
Greetings from NL.
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#24 moslimaaa- Allah Oe Akbar!! (Tijdelijke verblijfplaats, genaamd: Dunya, “Sister”)
Quote: […] WILDERS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
You go but enjoy your break and a cup of coffee, at least that is more useful than when you run out and stop here with nonsense.
[motto] To the uinveiled woman, You look at me, And you are happy you are not me, And you feel free, its really a pity you don’t know reality.
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#25 Al Mutakabir- Soldier of Allah (Europe, age 31, “Brother”)
Quote: UHF— @Al Mutakabir, It is unfortunate that because of your over reacting and preaching violence … [etc]
You for sure do not want to find out how hard I bite [smile.gif]
So Philip Dewinter may say that the Imam in Belgium is Allah’s pimp??? And if we Muslims say something about that it is right away extremist??? Think well fellow [smile.gif] the only thing I fear is Allah the Almighty
[motto, in Arabic] “They follow nothing but conjecture and conjecture is no substitute for the right thing”
[motto] Surely they follow only their suppositions and suppositions cannot match the truth.
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#26 UHF (member since October 20, 2009, “Brother”)
Philip Winter may say what he wants, he does not talk about the use of violence. at least that is what I understand from his words. You do so. And thus are you punishable in this country according to Dutch law. Not him.
If anyone lets P. Winter talk and no one responds, then he will not even be noticed. He attempted to provoke a reaction like yours, and even succeeds.
And then he says, you see!
Legally it is not possible to send away Muslims from a country. At most somewhat limit a future immigration flow.
So you do not need to feel threatened and resort to violence.
Why not ignore these people and continue with your life.
For there you affect the mist with.
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#27 UHF (member since October 20, 2009, “Brother”)
Of course some of you may say and find something about it… but you go further than that.
You though, may also find his mother a bitch;-)
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#28 noor23 (“Sister”)
salaam if someone in the time of the Prophet PBUH insulted him, they did not count with that with words but with deeds. It was the swords and nothing else for so much love they had for him. Now they tell us ignore this, be a devout Muslim, yeah right. There once was a blind man who loved his wife very much, his wife took good care of him BUT the only thing he was very cross about was that she always gave negative comments about the Prophet PBUH. the blind man disapproved this act and warned her never to do it again. The woman did not want to listen and that is why he murdered her.
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