Monday, November 12, 2012

Warsaw: Independence March 2012

Green Infidel was at yesterday’s Independence March in Warsaw, and has sent this preliminary report. A more detailed account will be coming later.

As expected, the authorities arranged for violent provocateurs to take center stage and attract major media coverage. The following account, by someone who was present at the event, will act as a counterpoint to the MSM’s chronicle of “the confrontation between right-wing nationalists and police”.

Warsaw: Independence March 2012

This year’s independence march had a similar form, although a different route to the previous year, going from the Palace of Culture and finishing at Marshal Pilsudzki’s statue. For the first two hours we were blocked in by police and prevented from marching, but eventually it was allowed to start. Like last year, there were many instances of police and authorities making it difficult to get to the march, and police provocation on the march itself. Websites here are now filled with pictures of “undercover” police officers among the “football hooligans” of the independence march (for example, here). I myself saw a large column of plain-clothes police in balaclavas walking behind the riot police. Naturally, where there were “undercover officers”, violence followed… but for the most part, the march was peaceful (the part of it not on TV — and the part I was in, in any case).

Estimates of how many were present range from 20,000 (TVN television) to 100,000 (the march organisers). However this year’s march was definitely far bigger than last year’s and, seeing as recently similar anti-government marches brought 100,000 people onto the streets, I’m more inclined to believe this latter figure. There were also many Hungarian flags — around 1,000 Hungarians were estimated to have travelled to it.

This was just one of several marches in Warsaw on Poland’s independence day. The other 3 were:

  • The Left/anti-fascist “11 November” march (according to TV, around 4,000).
  • The President’s new “together for independence” march, set up after last year’s disturbances at the Independence March (according to TV, around 4,000)
  • The march of the Polish Socialist Party. (unknown size — but it was a big party before the war. Insignificant nowadays.)

Although on the face of it, the march was unrelated to the counter-jihad, there are some parallels:

  • In the West, the taboo subject is Islam. in Poland, it’s the Smolensk disaster (and whether it was just an “accident).
  • In the West, the English Defence League is called “fascists”. in Poland, it’s the Independence March.

Although there is one important difference: here in Warsaw, there were no “anti-fascists” anywhere to be seen. Instead, they grouped together (probably for their own protection) on the other side of the centre. Instead, the main conflict was with police. After the march, I walked through the centre with a large Polish flag — but still could not find an anti-fascist. Instead, there were lots of others with Polish flags from the march.

Here is a report from the (as ever impartial) BBC.

They use the 20,000 figure — although today on the radio they are talking about “tens of thousands”. The general estimate is between 50,000 and 100,000 .

And footage has emerged of “football hooligans” with olive balaclavas throwing rocks at riot police — exactly the same type of olive balaclavas worn by those in photos next to riot police, and that I saw marching behind the riot police. In the video, those around the stone-throwers are already shouting “police provocateurs!”

And two more videos have emerged — one of a ten-year-old boy saying that police beat him. And another film by his father, separated from his son by riot police, shouting at them that “there’s kids there.” (I’m writing from a mobile and don’t have access to video, but can send links later.)

A woman I talked to at the march said she saw a man chanting at the police “What are you doing?” and then getting beaten by three police officers with batons.

And lots of other similar stories.

There were not only nationalists there, but those primarily opposed to leftists. Which is why this year’s march did not end at the nationalist Dmowski’s statue, but went further to his rival — Pilsudzki’s.

But of course the only news on the BBC and Polish media was of “violent nationalists” attacking “peaceful police”. Thankfully the internet is here to show how absurd this line of thinking is.

Lots more footage and reports probably still to come.

Green Infidel


john in cheshire said...

Out of interest, does anyone in Europe take any notice of what the bbc reports. Increasingly here in England, they are becoming irrelevant as far as news is concerned; because they don't report the news, they produce propaganda.

Anonymous said...

not 2k but circa 800 ppl attended leftist "11th November" march

babs said...

Would someone please thumbnail this for me, I seem to have lost the thread. Why are the Polish police acting belligerantly against a national independence parade? I don't seem to understand.

Anonymous said...

Apologies, I also have lost the thread - is this the amplification of contentions and movements on the political fringe or is it signaling saturated political tensions within Poland, and if so what are the drivers of those tensions?

Jolie Rouge

Anonymous said...

Regarding the BBC you should read the article by Simon Heffer in the Daily Mail today and also earlier comments in 2006 by Andrew Marr - and I always thought he was of the left. Heffer just goes on to confirm that the BBC is an offshoot of the offices of the left-wing Guardian newspaper. Obama is their God, that's for certain. Heffer even goes to underline the attacks by the BBC on Christianity whilst no such attacks occur with regard to Islam - after all they have made a muslim the head of religious broadcasting. The reason for this bias, he says, is that Anglicans are unlikely to shoot anybody at the BBC in response or send in a suicide bomber or drive a van packed with explosives up against Broadcasting House or Television Centre - funny that that should influence them really; is that because they are gutless, pink and fluffy? By the way, on recent comments on the feminisation of the West, I have reached the conclusion that women often have to resort to guilt to get their way. This is not a criticism as they are usually - but not always! - physically weaker than men and would not win in a fight.
Strange how Marxists seem to use the same tactic, is this because they are not real men. Methinks yes.

Anonymous said...

Let's please be VERY clear that Marxists may use guilt to get into power, but THEN Marxists merrily torture, rape, and murder as many people as they can get their hands on. Look to the Marxist takeover of Russia for how 'pink and fluffy' Marxists act when unleashed upon civil society. Marxists are as bloody as any other tyrants. It is a COMPLETE failure of education that people have been allowed to believe that Marxism is an idea that would come to fruition without significant bloodletting.

Obama mentor and funder William Ayers is reported to be ready to murder 25 million Americans in his 'hope' to change the United States into a Communist utopia - Communism being Marxism.