Thursday, April 21, 2011

Flaming Scorn Because We’re “Real White”

For some inscrutable reason the gods of the emails don’t send many hate-filled epistles our way.

[NB to said deities: we’re fine with that. Keep them not coming.]

Obviously one came this evening or I wouldn’t be telling y’all about it. This might be a real scorcher, if only I could understand it.

I yelled up to the Baron: “Hey, look at message #148. What is that person saying about your post?” After reading it, and looking at the passage the writer chose to denigrate, he denied all responsibility. “This person has snipped out something about Costa Rican coffee. What do I know about Costa Rican coffee? That must be your post.”

So I trudged upstairs in order that we could both examine this strange missive. The Baron opened the linked post — from 2006, for heaven’s sake! — and searched for the passage. Both of us were busy denying any foreknowledge of Costa Rica’s coffee…and as it turned out, we were both right. The ranter didn’t even bother with the Baron’s deathless prose in that post, but picked on a commenter’s remarks. Sheesh.

Here’s the post: For the Sake of the Children

Below is the Flaming Scorn (as the writer described it in the subject line) dished out to us via email. Gentle Readers, would y’all be so kind as to decode what this person is saying, and then you could tell us what in heaven’s name they’re on about? We’ve read the words several times now and it still doesn’t make sense. Perhaps the level of dudgeon attained by “Ariel” is so high that he or she was suffering from some kind of oxygen deprivation. Or maybe it’s simply too subtle for the likes of us umm… I mean if we’re “Really sadly despairingly horribly sadistically delusional….” people. Oh, and “quite viciously self-righteously destructive cruel…” Well, obviously we’re also too dim to grasp the finer points in the email.

Sorry. I know I shouldn’t make fun, but since neither the Baron nor I have a clue as to what this person is ranting about, those of you who get around more, those who actually know about esoterica like Costa Rican coffee, could do us a real favor and explain . Any part of it you care to decode is fine by us if it can throw a bit of light into this murk.

At the very least our interlocutor is suffering from adjective addiction. Whoowhee, boy!

This is truly a blast from the past. The comment that “Ariel” found so offensive wasn’t in the body of the post. Instead, it was left by one of my favorite people, El Jefe Maximo, who used to read us years ago — this post is almost five years old after all. El Jefe lives in the big city as I recall, so of course he would know all about coffee. As for us bumpkins, we get our coffee from the local grocery chain. The cheapest brand there is a dark espresso from Mexico, probably stocked, along with other Mexican foods, for any Hispanic immigrants in the area.

The email follows and I’ll ask questions as we go along [in square brackets]…


Hello

From the blog site in response to your entry dated Saturday, September 30, 2006:

The peaceniks are products of a society that asks nothing of them, who drink their imported wine, drive their imported cars, drink their Costa Rican coffee, and on and on, with no conception of the political and financial costs of building and maintaining this world, who assume (despite doses of reality like 9/11) that we’re all really the same.

The cost of building and maintaining the world?????

You guys are delusional. Really sadly despairingly horribly sadistically delusional. And quite viciously self-righteously destructive cruel to anyone who didn’t make a big monetary contribution to the Geography of Israel shortly after 9/11. (Not that Dustin Hoffman is feeling especially secure after that big monetary donation.)

[So s/he grabs a paragraph from El Jefe’s comment and says…what? And what did Dustin Hoffman do? Did he somehow contribute to the “Geography of Israel” — is Israel bigger now than it was before 9/11? Did we miss this enlargement? Are the JOOOOS stealing land again?]

Is there a Muslim you don’t wish to inter and interrogate in a U.S. sponsored (and Constitutionally approved by the Supreme Court and below under John Roberts) relocation jail? (I realize that they are not full fledged camps.)

[Besides those fine Jihad warriors captured on the battlefield and now growing older in Gitmo because no country in the world wants them, what un-fully fledged camps are available? I thought even Holder gave up on that idea.]

You know what’s really funny about you guys? How you love to get Christians on your side so that you can say you can get along with Muslims but Christians are mentally unreachable. Billy Graham Evangelists has Christian sign pledges to Israel and you guys point out how Christians are idolaters or yokels with I.Q.s next to dirt. Exactly how did evolution create you guys superior?

[We said that about Christians? Was I out of the room during this conversation? Does this person know that the admin of this blog are practicing Christians…devout, even, in our own idolatrous way? Is there more than one Billy Graham? Above all, Gentle Reader, what does this mean:

How you love to get Christians on your side so that you can say you can get along with Muslims but Christians are mentally unreachable.

Please parse that sentence and tell me what “Ariel” is saying.

Now it begins to get prescriptive. Ariel has an idea about what should happen. This part I do understand, kind of:]

Israel should be evacuated; the “Temple Mount” should be bulldozed to the ground; and then the Messiah will come. Because idolatry is a sin. And you guys are the most idolatrous bunch the 2nd World War ever produced to prove your book of myths the one and only true way sardonically tolerant of all others under the Noahchide Laws which you guys’ atheists are exempt from because they still belong to the Bosom. For some reason Israel, the geography, forgot that Israel is rightly a people to be broadcast throughout the world the same as mustard seeds are for Christians.

[I take that back. I understand the first part of the first sentence. The rest is not written in any books I ever read. Evidently this person isn’t an anti-Semite as the Baron thought. S/he appears to be some kind of eschatological Christian who thinks that Israel is an obstruction to some end-time arrangement. Jews are gonna be “broadcast”, huh? If I were Jewish, I sure wouldn’t want to be shot from any cannon into, oh, Sweden or France or Spain. Doesn’t sound like they have a choice, though, at least not in this scenario. Who are the Bosoms? (Keep it clean, y’all).]

Exactly which world have you guys built and maintained? The one at a local funny farm? I bet that you are real white too. Do you think that Africa gives a fig about Israel? Hardly. Enjoy exploiting the next round of the Tribe of Dan. That one is especially worth a few photographs inside your Lilliputian borders.

[The Baron calls our little cottage “Eden”. Of course, some of our detractors have called it the funny farm, so maybe “Ariel” is on to something there. Yeah, we’re hideously white (though my freckles may count for something). And most of our neighbors are black; many of them would certify us as “crazy white folks”. So if we got ourselves designated as a local-type Bedlam, would we be eligible for federal funding?…Okay, I’ll bite: does anyone understand the reference to the Tribe of Dan?]

With true consideration,

Ariel


Well, ol’ Ariel might have sincerely, truly, and sadly considered us, but s/he sure didn’t pay attention to the difference between the person who wrote the post and the person who commented. Nor did s/he pay any attention at all to the subject matter. Maybe we can get this strange person to go bother El Jefe? After all, it was some key word in his comment that seems to have started this flaming logorrhea. Costa Rican coffee…who’da thunk…?

Send in the extinguishers somebody. The rest of y’all, the ones who have stayed through to the end, please tell us what the heck is going on here…

28 comments:

4Symbols said...

In hoc signo vinces†

Presumably the statement is in the context of this -

Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist source

Woodrow said...

The rantings of a nut. Nothing more.

goethechosemercy said...

The communication is just plain irrational.
I'm glad you've taken it apart here, but really, pay it little if any mind.
There are larger problems to solve.

Hesperado said...

I third those above.

When someone's presentation is disjointed, saturated with hostility, reflects the word salad of a guy off (or on) his meds haranguing strangers at a bus stop, and is bereft of any actual argument, I tend to avoid it.

On the subject of Costa Rican coffee, apparently coffee (probably more so in the 70s and 80s when Leftists were more fixated on the "injustices" of the Latin Americas south of the border ("injustices" all due to our evil C.I.A., of course), the business of coffee was rather a big thing; sort of like the "blood diamonds" of Africa -- the Chomskyite/Cockburnian argument in a nutshell (or coffeebean) being that the evil Northern West is through the coffee trade (and coffee consumption by evil Americans and Europeans) exploiting the poor Noble Savage peasants of Central and South America. (Though this nut seems to imbue his rant with incoherently and amorphously Evangelist apocalyptics, as Dymphna noted, he seems sufficiently unhinged to be capable of holding mutually dissonant multiple ideas (not to mention personalities) in his head.

I recall an amusing moment while standing in line with my ardently Leftist friend (also an intelligently devout Greek Orthodox, btw) for the barrista at a retro-bohemianish cafe in the mid-80s. As an attempt at small talk while we waited, my friend noted:

"You know, every third cup of coffee is a bullet in a peasant's head."

And I riposted without batting an eyelash.

"No problem. I'll just drink two cups at a time."

Lawrence said...

Google can be a terrible thing when someone stumbles on something due to a coincidence of certain words falling in order in a certain way.

Couple that with a little too much THC floating around in the brain cells and you never know what crazy missive will escape into the blogosphere.

Hebes Chasma said...

Sorry guys, I can't resist the temptation to publish my story under communism, though aware that I'm off topic.

Thank you very much for clicking here. It relieves to get it out. This "chat up" is the price to pay for having the Albanian subtitles ;-)

Dymphna said...

So...the consensus seems to be that this is a randomly fired epistle by someone either on their street drugs or not on their meds...

...I used work in a shelter for the "shoulda been institutionalized" mentally ill and I never heard anything of this caliber. There was one fellow, though, who warned me to get out of town before Christmas because of what was going to "go down" on that date. Evidently I'd be safer in the boondocks than in town. This guy didn't believe we were meant to live in buildings, so he never came inside. All our chat was done on the porch, with him sitting in a chair looking like he'd stepped out of an LL Bean catalogue. I was told he lived under a bridge, but his hygiene was perfect. A nice, gentle soul. Took him a long time to warm up to me but eventually, for my saftety, he told me not to come to town...later, into the New Year, he didn't remember anything about his pre-Christmas warning.

So maybe it will be the same for poor Ariel. I hope...

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Hesperado-

Great comeback. Back during the tyranny of Bush II I remarked to a friend that the bumper stickers in his company's parking lot were obviously all of a BDS variety. He asked for examples, so I gave this one: "US wars are creating terrorists faster than we can kill them"...

To which he responded, "well then, let's kill them faster, no?"

And all the time I'd taken him for a typical leftie. Goes to show something or other...

Dymphna said...

@ 4Symbols--

I went to that site. Interesting stuff:

It is through the agency of the ultra-Orthodox Lubavitch Movement that the Gentiles are being prepared to submit to the Noahide Laws under a restored Sanhedrin. Yair Davidy posits, “The name DAN means “judge” in Hebrew. Many lawyers and judges in the USA are of Irish descent of a particular type as is much of the police force ... Descendants of Dan today appear to be concentrated in Ireland, Britain, the USA, and especially Denmark.”

So THAT's why many of our readers come from these areas. Obviously, we're all of a piece. Don't know where that puts Hesperado, though.

Sheesh.

Lawrence said...

4Symbols said... Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist source

Optimal word here is "obscure".

This is obscure because no main-stream Christian theology or doctrinal positions agree with this interpretation. None.

No serious theological study of this, other than "obscure" study gives this issue any credence.

Anonymous said...

if you really dont mind 2c of advice from your long-time reader: you are wasting time on this. Plus, while i cannot call myself a true coffee maven, Costa Rican coffee sucks. Big Time, as GHB would say. That alone tells me enough re the author's ignorance.

Hesperado said...

Dymphna,

"I used work in a shelter for the "shoulda been institutionalized" mentally ill and I never heard anything of this caliber."

I think sociologically the Internet has a higher percentage of nuts of a different caliber, due to the multitudes of previously unavailable opportunities of mountains of variegated information of wildly varied quality by which a schizophrenic can inform and aggrandize his delusions. Prior to the Internet, I'm guessing it was rarer for a schizophrenic to spend hours at the library amassing details that confirmed and expanded his delusions. In the past decade or so with the Internet, what used to be perhaps a rare subtype of the schizophrenic has become the norm. Plus, back then, in the West there were no societies of like-minded (albeit of varying degrees) delusionals (we may only facetiously joke that Academe performed that function) -- whereas on the Internet there is a multitude of ways in which delusions of varying degrees can "network".

Hesperado said...

correction to last sentence:

"...a multitude of ways in which delusionals of varying degrees can "network".

Dymphna said...

@ Hesperado--

BB told me that the underbelly of the internet has permitted an exponential flourishing of all sorts of deviant creepdom. I forget that sometimes...and then we'll get a spate of hits because some keyword in a post is similar to or identical with something pornlovers like. Ugh.

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@ lbertarian

Since you pay us the compliment of being a long-time reader your opinion is worthy of consideration. In fact, I even agree with it.

So yeah, I'm no doubt wasting my time, but that's okay. People who don't want the strange fluff may do a mego and pass on to subject matter with more gravitas.

Y'all can consider the heavier topics to your heart's content. I simply cannot do it anymore. The accounts here weigh so heavily that I can hardly stand. Literally. Many days I can't read GoV because it's full of cruelty and despair. Other days I don't have the physical strength to open the computer and sit in this chair.

How can anyone read about Lampedusa and NOT be sickened? How can anyone not feel immense sympathy for the Italians who are pawns in this mess?

Those desperate boat people are the dregs, for sure. Many of them are criminals. But they're human beings and their plight makes me ill. I cannot contemplate the horrors they fled or the fate that awaits them.

So just cruise on by my fluffy posts to the real meat, please. I'm gonna stay right here & roast my marshmallows...

IOW, thanks for being a reader but spare me the moralizing.

Oh, and a belated Happy Passover, dude.

Lawrence said...

Dymphna said... "Those desperate boat people are the dregs, for sure. Many of them are criminals. But they're human beings and their plight makes me ill. I cannot contemplate the horrors they fled or the fate that awaits them.

Sympathy for them is one thing.

Allowing them to take advantage of us is something else.

But, yeah, what they suffer as humans is quite distressing (even depressing) when one has to see it and talk about it on a daily basis like you do. With no apparent solution in sight.

Zenster said...

Lawrence: With no apparent solution in sight.

The solution is as obvious as it is economical and effective.

One central and predominate driver of global conflict, jihad and much of human misery is corruption. A quick glance at Transparency International's Global Corruption Map shows how Islam and corruption go hand in hand.

A simple program of using multinational Special Forces to kill Islam's aristocracy along with other despots like Mugabe and his ilk could gradually alleviate much of the needless suffering that goes on these days.

Eliminating even a small fraction of global corruption would have an attenuating effect on the need for so many people to migrate. Re-establishment of economic opportunity in these various cesspits would remove some of the urgency that sees so many fleeing to the First World.

Saddest of all is how just a few thousand deaths would save millions of lives and halt the over-concentration of wealth that remains a hallmark of corruption.

We are now seeing this same deleterious process of over-concentration at work here in America. It would stagger most people's imagination to what extent corruption permeates and stagnates the economies of Second and Third World nations.

Erich said...

Dymphna,

"and then we'll get a spate of hits because some keyword in a post is similar to or identical with something pornlovers like. Ugh."

Gates of Vienna Sausage?

Sorry...:)

- Hesperado (for some reason my Hesperado account didn't work)

laine said...

Zenster is right that the woes of the world are due to poor government including but not limited to corruption. The West out of white guilt has fed the beast. Most of the money that's gone to Africa has regardless of humanitarian intentions had the effect of shoring up oppressive governments killing starving or otherwise abusing their people. (See the book "Dead Aid" by African economist Dambisa Moyo).

However, an uneducated infantilized oppressed people with a primitive culture are incapable of generating rebellion and good government. Even when the hard work of dying for their cause is done for them by Western military as in Iraq and Afghanistan, the people just can't/don't step up to the plate. So Zenster's suggestion of just doing away with dictators (and the West would rather die itself than accept such a grim assignment) would be an eternal game of Whack a Mole. A new tyrant would pop up immediately. Africans and Muslims are tribal, a primitive organizational form that sees might as right. It's like sharing the earth with lumbering dinosaurs, and now they have access to our homelands too.

The only way that can speed up the development of primitive cultures is to superimpose a superior one by force at the beginning (Exhibit A India) and being very directive until natives develop the skills to take over themselves. It's been said by some wag that the problem wasn't that the British colonized Africa. The problem was that they didn't stay long enough (as they did in India). Since the entire world now pretends that whites are responsible for every ill instead of the few successes there have been in the 3rd world, the colonization model that worked to improve things over time is no longer practicable. Instead, the advanced culture is being colonized by the backward ones. That means there is no solution. The dinosaurs will die themselves and drag us down with them since there is no longer a way of isolating ourselves.

Zenster said...

laine: So Zenster's suggestion of just doing away with dictators (and the West would rather die itself than accept such a grim assignment) would be an eternal game of Whack a Mole.

I have often suggested that one approach to solving the Darfur genocide is to simply wait for a full session of parliament in Khartoum and then lob in a few cruise missiles. Heads of state should not have the sole privilege of early retirement for their incompetence.

The same goes for Iran, North Korea and several other rogue nations. Eliminating entire political rank-and-files within these hyper-corrupt governments would send the correct message that inaction or plausibly deniable complicity are unacceptably lame positions for anyone to take in the face of such preventable crises or outright criminal activity.

A new tyrant would pop up immediately. Africans and Muslims are tribal, a primitive organizational form that sees might as right.

To which I say: RINSE AND REPEAT.

The only way that can speed up the development of primitive cultures is to superimpose a superior one by force at the beginning (Exhibit A India) and being very directive until natives develop the skills to take over themselves.

If you think that "West would rather die itself than accept such a grim assignment" of killing those who are in dire need of it (as I suggest), try to imagine the resistance that would manifest in regard to a new round of colonialism.

European colonialism continues in its role as a Third World whipping boy to blame the West for all of its self-inflicted ills and also serves as the modern replacement for White Man's Burden.

I have often, tongue-in-cheek, referred to the "scars of colonialism" using India as an example. However, a latter day round of colonization simply is not feasible. Closer to the concept is China's simple program of installing large scale workforces and pseudo-military brigades at its various resource extraction sites. Something we should consider doing in terms of "de-nationalizing" the Saudi oil fields that were summarily wrested from Western interests.

Per my own model, it would be far more productive to begin a campaign of making corruption physically painful to the point of lethality. It is, literally, the only way of ending its current reign throughout the Second and Third World.

People will have to be at threat of forsaking, not just their fortunes or freedoms, but their very lives before corruption will lose its appeal. The military effort against Islam has already begun to adopt the decapitation model, just not to the extent necessary to be truly effective.

At some future point, this same construct needs to be expanded into the realm of fighting corruption and making it equally as unattractive as terrorism is just beginning to be.

I freely admit that overcoming the cultural inertia of tribalism might require depopulating whole aristocracies within several cultures, be they African or Arab. There exist few stronger disincentives than the chlorination of an entire genetic line. Corruption, just like terrorism, runs in the family and, therefore, efforts to combat both of these ailments will likely require pruning entire family trees in the process of "de-glamorizing" this global affliction.

To reiterate, culling Islam's jihadist aristocracy and corruption's global elite is far more likely to be adopted than any groundswell of widespread support for re-colonization; regardless of how much more effective (or even necessary), the re-establishment of Third World "protectorates" might actually be.

LAW Wells said...

OK, I get the feeling that this person holds an undefined political ideology, mixing elements from left, right, and crazy (everyone knows that's the third set) in a peculiar mix.

To begin with, I feel that this person doesn't agree with the ideas that the world is built and run by men. Thus, I'd say fundamentalist Christian (of a very fringe fundamentalist group. Thank you, 4Symbols), who believes in God's overwheening power just like a Muslim would.

He then takes issue with the general thrust of your blog, advocating ultimately expulsion of Islam from the West. The statement How you love to get Christians on your side so that you can say you can get along with Muslims but Christians are mentally unreachable was probably written so fast as to be a typo. Swap the last Christian and Muslim around, and some sense may come from it.

He's also taking issue with you basically looking about and observing the world around you (mistaking it for judgement, of the arbitrary and un-PC variety).

Now regarding the apocalypse proceedings, there is a statement of belief in which he declares himself non-Trinitarian (suggesting our idolatry is sinful, which makes the parallel with Muslims all the more striking).

Looking at the Bosom, I can only say "workings of the heart". In short, this is "The law will be implanted in the hearts of Men" part of the Bible.

And now we come full circle - God's absolute power means that "our" world isn't ours. And then there's the little PC MC stab about Africa and Israel (though considering the expansion of Islam in Africa, I'd have to say that Ariel is quite wrong here).

I may be reading a little bit into this, and the lack of cogency provided by that most toxic combination of righteous fury and conspiratorial paranoia may render the entire thing utterly null.

Truly, the internet is quite the safari land.

Dymphna said...

Ah, Law Wells, your lawyerly gifts are excellent. Thanks for noticing the switch of Christian/Muslim. That's careful reading of the text and renders at least one statement down to clarity.

You chose the right field indeed.

Lawrence said...

Zenster said... "A simple program of using multinational Special Forces to kill Islam's aristocracy along with other despots like Mugabe and his ilk could gradually alleviate much of the needless suffering that goes on these days.

I'm good with that, but does our PC leadership have the intestinal fortitude to actually pursue such a strategy?

Your other analogy of "whack a mole" becomes quite accurate.

But, then, what do we do? Sit on our hands and let the moles take over? Or go ahead and whack them when the opportunity presents itself?

I'm with you, I think, that we need to take our opportunities when they present themselves.

Hesperado said...

"and being very directive until natives develop the skills to take over themselves."

There have been two phases of Western Colonialism/Imperialism:

1) the actual era (roughly 16th to 20th centuries)

2) the era following the ostensible dismantling of (1), the "Post-Colonial" era of the past 60-odd years.

While (2) continues the Colonialist/Imperialist enterprise now under less blatant methods, and while it is infected with PC MC (which is basically Wilsonianism on steroids), phase (1) -- for all its instances of refreshingly INcorrect agendas and practices -- also tended to pursue the kernel of what came to be more explicitly articulated near the beginning of the crisis of the end of phase (1) (the aftermath of WWI) as Wilsonianism. And that kernel is precisely visible in laine's quote with which I began my comment.

The West needs to inaugurate a Phase 3 of Colonialism/Imperialism.

The West -- a) being in a world that is unavoidably interconnected and interdependent economically; and b) being astronomically superior to all other cultures and thus the only one capable of managing the world (yes, "globalism") -- cannot avoid being Colonialist/Imperialist.

Thus, this third phase will involve many things that resemble the previous two phases; but one thing it must utterly jettison is the notion that non-Westerners will ever in a trillion years be capable of truly Westernizing in numbers, extent and quality sufficient to trust them to be partners with us, rather than our eternal dependents.

What I have articulated applies to both Muslim non-Westerners and non-Muslim non-Westerners: the application of our superiority upon their inferiority will simply differ: while we will treat the former harshly as Prisoners of the World (to be deported and quarantined like global lepers), the latter we will treat as they are to minds not infected with PC MC: as societies insufficiently capable of ever growing up beyond the sociopolitical equivalent of unruly children who need to be managed and governed, but only with our interests at the forefront, not in terms of any grand welfare situation.

Zenster said...

Lawrence: I'm good with that, but does our PC leadership have the intestinal fortitude to actually pursue such a strategy?

Our current "PC leadership"? Not at all. The sole method whereby they might assist such a strategy is by being accessory to the nuclear or WMD terrorist attacks that could precipitate such a campaign. They are already doing this through near-total inaction that only serves to embolden out enemies. Additionally, some ― like Obama and Cameron ― are so lickspittle and deferential to Islam that they are actively facilitating such a round of potentially triggering attacks.

What we desperately need is a galvanized electorate that will vote in someone of adequate spine to where these "initiator" events (WMD attacks) are not needed in the first place. That is the optimal outcome.

A few thousand or tens of thousands of tyrants dead and the avoiding of a Muslim holocaust is an ideal result.

Your other analogy of "whack a mole" becomes quite accurate.

That is Hesperado's comparison and not my own. One method of overcoming such nonsense is by demolishing entire parliaments at a time; as in the case of Iran and North Korea. They are prime examples of where entire politico-ectomies are required and useful.

But, then, what do we do? Sit on our hands and let the moles take over? Or go ahead and whack them when the opportunity presents itself?

Asked and answered.

I'm with you, I think, that we need to take our opportunities when they present themselves.

The alternative of waiting around for a sufficiently "impossible-to-ignore" offense by Islam remains wholly unacceptable. A single nuclear device detonated within the United States could make the 3,000 fatalities and trillion dollar economic hit of the 9-11 atrocity look like a Sunday picnic. America's economy could be crippled and rendered stagnate for over a solid decade by such a WMD attack.

Worst of all is how a leader with little or no military experience ― again, Obama is a perfect example ― could just as easily respond to such a WMD terrorist attack with wholesale nuclear retaliation. America's recent succession of Presidents without any actual combat experience ― or firsthand knowledge of conflict escalation ― is making this a distinct possibility.

In this way, it is especially the Left which encourages a major atrocity on American soil and also makes it equally possible that there is a Muslim holocaust in return.

PS: Would you believe that my word verification is "turban"?

Lawrence said...

Hesperado said..."The West -- a) being in a world that is unavoidably interconnected and interdependent economically; and b) being astronomically superior to all other cultures and thus the only one capable of managing the world (yes, "globalism") -- cannot avoid being Colonialist/Imperialist."

So we have replace conservative Colonialism with liberal Globalism.

Gotcha!

But other than spelling, I don't see much difference between the two agendas.

But, then, that is your point is it not?

Lawrence said...

Zenster said... "Your other analogy of "whack a mole" becomes quite accurate. That is Hesperado's comparison and not my own."

Indeed. My mistake.

In this way, it is especially the Left which encourages a major atrocity on American soil and also makes it equally possible that there is a Muslim holocaust in return.

The secular/marxist/left's agenda has always been "fundamental change" of America. Not the rallying cry of our current President. They're not that worried about global change just yet.

Once the power of America is out of the voter's hands the agenda will refocus on the rest of the globe.

Islamists may wish for a one-world government under their Sharia Law, but they haven't figure out how to deal with the more powerful secular agenda of a one-world order absent the influence of any religion. They're pretty much crossing fingers that their god will magically deliver them victory somehow.

In this, any given religious focus from the West has two enemies. Islam on the outside, and Secular Humanism on the inside.

Secularism must first win their internal struggle against the religious influences from within before they can redirect their efforts externally.

Islamists kinda understand this and are trying to take advantage by driving a wedge. But what they are actually doing is helping Secularism to win, eventually to their own detriment once Secularist agendas redirect their focus externally.

Lawrence said...

The secular/marxist/left's agenda has always been "fundamental change" of America. Now the rallying cry of our current President. They're not that worried about global change just yet.

I mean Now, rather than Not. Argh.

1389 said...

This person is insane. If you get any actual threats from him, I suggest that you pass them along to the authorities. Otherwise, I'd just ignore that stuff. There is no way to make sense out of something that doesn't make any sense to begin with.

Hesperado said...

Lawrence,

"So we have replace conservative Colonialism with liberal Globalism."

No. I have replaced traditional Colonialism and liberal (which is also currently conservative) Globalism with...

Colonialist Anti-Wilsonian Globalism.

This will be the only way for a West which wants to continue being itself (i.e., great and superior). The only alternative would be Balkanism on a global scale -- which I suppose some Counterjihadists who have been watching too many Thor video games wouldn't mind.