Sunday, June 14, 2009

Geert Wilders on Danish TV

Update: Steen has some photos and a live-blog of today’s events (in Danish).

Lars Hedegaard and Geert Wilders

Photo © Snaphanen.


Geert Wilders is in Denmark for a conference entitled “Free Speech and Islam”, which is being held today at Christiansborg Castle in Copenhagen and is sponsored by Trykkefrihedsselskabet (the Free Press Society). For a printable program of the event in pdf format, click here.

Mr. Wilders appeared on Danish television yesterday. After being pressed by the interviewer, he acknowledged that millions of Muslims — those who support jihad and shariah, and oppose the democratic societies that they live in — will have to be deported from Europe.

He says, “There’s only one solution.”

The video below is in English with Danish subtitles:


Hat tip: Balder.

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42 comments:

Gort said...

Mange tusen takk for the voiceover in English. It was very well done. I'll direct a good many people to watch this fine interview.

El said...

i was a little bit disappointed that he seemed so unwilling to get down to brass tacks. he had to be pressed repeatedly to commit to saying that millions would have to be thrown out. oh well, at least he said it.

Fjordman said...

Wilders is only telling the truth. Millions of these people have no business being in our countries. Not only do we need to bar more of them from getting in; we need to expel a good few of those who are already here. They constitute an existential threat to our entire civilization and to the future of our grandchildren, who will judge us harshly if we fail to defeat this threat.

It is pretty obvious by now that we are facing a huge structural, economic and ideological collapse throughout the entire Western world in the near future. The crash can no longer be avoided, since our so-called leaders are doing everything in their power to ensure that we will indeed crash. We need to focus on surviving this crash, on regrouping and creating the seeds for the third generation of European civilization out of the leftovers from the coming collapse. We need to think and act like colonized people because that's in many ways what we are now. We must reclaim our own histories and destinies. We must take our enemies seriously, both the internal and the external ones, and learn from them when they do something smart. For instance we need to respect the ability that Marxists of all stripes have for organization. Maybe they are evil, but at the very least they know what they want and they are ruthlessly and patiently dedicated to achieving their goals. We have a number of weaknesses but we also have many great strengths, some of which can be brought forward again if we do the right things.

El: He's pretty much the only significant politician in the entire Western world saying this much. Let's give him a break, shall we? Remember that for most people, guys like you and me and many of the regulars here still sound like "Nazis." As we know from history, things that may appear unthinkable today will appear inevitable tomorrow. We will do this or we will perish.

Henrik Ræder said...

Wilders was being pressed hard by the journalist to say something objectionable, bur resisted, and instead got across a lot of the main issues and problems he sees. That was a good handling of a difficult situation.

Personally, I believe that a small number (say, a few hundred) of targeted and determined deportations of radicals to Never-never Land would have a significant calming effect on the rest. That should make all other consider carefully whether radical Islamist statements and activities are really worth the risk. They *hate* getting back to the deserts they so richly deserve.

Henrik R Clausen said...

There's been pretty good coverage of the conference in the news today.

BTW, this is a wonderful example of how a private enterprise (Trykkefrihedsselskabet) with very limited funds can achieve a *lot* more than a government with millions at its disposal, but no determination to carry things trough.

Profitsbeard said...

Islam does not assimilate into any other culture, it engulfs and then eradicates all infidel cultures that are too weak to resist.

Kenny said...

I think that Wilders is savvy enough to avoid giving any journalist a quick soundbite that could be used against him; hence as someone has already pointed out, Wilders made sure he provided an argument supporting the conclusion which the interviewer sought.

One point which wasn't brought out fully in the interview, but which is quite important, is that Wilders is making the question of whether a Muslim stays in the Netherlands a matter of individual choice.

If one renounces shariah and behaves in a law-abiding manner, then that's fine.

Only if one takes the anti-establishment position that the laws of the land one has chosen to live in should be ignored in favour of an alien political ideology, and if one proceeds to break the laws of one's new country, then one will be deported.

It's entirely up to each individual Muslim living in Holland.

Kenny said...

Sorry about the sleep-deprived grammar. I'm on my tenth night shift out of eleven nights. That should have been something like:

Only if one takes the anti-establishment position that the laws of the land one has chosen to live in should be ignored in favour of an alien political ideology, and if one proceeds to break the laws of one's new country, will one be deported.

It's entirely up to each individual Muslim living in Holland.

The Frozen North

Czechmade said...

For resisting islam one needs similar totalitarian structures and mindsets.

It is much more simple to send them home.

We can duely concentrate on protecting ourselves - non-muslims or ex-muslims. It is about what we can do with our limited resources.

Robin Shadowes said...

"It's entirely up to each individual Muslim living in Hollannd."

Unfortunately we have a problem here and that is the tactic of taqyyia. If they say they will abide the national law, will you just take their word for it? Maybe if they feel the threat of being expelled permanently seriously enough, perhaps even the female full garments will come off but if they wore full garments in the firts place, then they have no intention of living like kuffars permanently. Only as long as until it feels safe neough to take it on again, which might only be as long as the current government is in position. Once the government changess toward a more islam-friendly one, they will all become pious muslims again and we're back to square one. Complete repatriation is the only solution. Still we have this peaceful solution to the problem. Once the first civil war breaks out, that option will be forever closed. Then we have only the option three soulution in El's essays left and that will be a lot bloodier.

Robin Shadowes said...

Sorry for not spellchecking the comment fist. :(

Robin Shadowes said...

Aaaaarggghh!! The typonese trolls are haunting/stalking me.

Czechmade said...

OFFTopic but important, I am (not) amazed at the stupidity of the MSM about Iran. Nothing to learn.

Only meaningful facts I found on a US blog antimullah.com

See it all

SATURDAY/SUNDAY Reports reaching us from islamic iran now indicate a wave of arrests has taken place creating a very "pregnant" situation where anything can still happen, though the arrests have taken out opposition leadership:

1. Former President Hashem Rafsanjani has been arrested and taken to be held at the house of Supreme Ruler Ali Khamenei, where he was forced to resign as the head of the Expediency Council and Council of Experts. He is being held there until further notice to be at the pleasure of the Supreme Ruler.

Rafsanjani not only spent money to oppose Ahmadi-Nejad's re-"selection" but also made a big mistake of threatening the Supreme Ruler with the fact that the councils headed by Rafsanjani were the ones who had to declare the eligibility of the Supreme Ruler and could remove him from office with a quick vote.

He is not expected to emerge alive from his detention.



2. Mir Hossein Moussavi is reported to also be under arrest when he was taken at a press conference and being held hostage to prevent his supporters from pouring into the streets. His life for their remaining out of the streets. His wife Zahra Rahnevard, co-campaigner and head of the Al-Zahra College was also arrested.

Rapidly fired employees of the Ministry of Interior, responsible for the voting results, reportedly told Moussavi he had won by a large margin and to be prepared to take office, two things happened:

a) Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, nicknamed the "crocodile", leader of the fervent, apocalypse preaching Hojatieh 12th Imam followers and Ahmadi-Nejad's mentor, promptly issued a "fatwah" to reverse the vote count results and accord Moussavi's votes to Ahmadi-Nejad and vice versa. A fatwah is a must be obeyed religious decree for devout Moslems.

b) Former Tehran mayor Karbassi, head of the Election Committee was quickly arrested.

3. Former Reformist President Khatami's brother, Seyed Mohammad, was also arrested though his more prominent brother is still said to be at liberty.

4. For now reports of 'ayatollah' Mehdi Kahrubi, himself a candidate, having been arrested appear to be unfounded.

5. All reformist newspapers have been invaded and taken over by enforcement agents. Dozens of journalists at those locations have been arrested though Moussavi's Ghalam (pen) reportedly has restarted publishing. Though Kahroubi's "Etemad Melli" (National Confidence) remains shuttered.

continues on antimullah.com

Henrik R Clausen said...

Geert Wilders stands to become one of the greatest heroes of our times. It's amazing.

Henrik R Clausen said...

We actually need a thread about Iranian elections. I'm sure Baron will come up with one to 'celebrate' that Mad A will be around for another 4 years.

Czechmade said...

And this might be the most interesting fact - a "fatwa", one of the "miracles" of islam"

Rapidly fired employees of the Ministry of Interior, responsible for the voting results, reportedly told Moussavi he had won by a large margin and to be prepared to take office, two things happened:

a) Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, nicknamed the "crocodile", leader of the fervent, apocalypse preaching Hojatieh 12th Imam followers and Ahmadi-Nejad's mentor, promptly issued a "fatwah" to reverse the vote count results and accord Moussavi's votes to Ahmadi-Nejad and vice versa. A fatwah is a must be obeyed religious decree for devout Moslems.
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We should not be blind, Mousavi is nothing for us, but imagine the large dissatisfaction goes further and we get some result. Just a momentum. Without Iran islam is wrecked.

Arrested Rafsandjani is interesting, the regime starts eating its own monsters too.

It may go to nothing. If not, we should not miss this moment.

Czechmade said...

Yes, Henrik,

but whatever I checked, was

dull, dull, dull, dull, more dull than

Miyanmar reports.

Some obsolete private reports that people burn govt. buildings and take over police stations.

The option is even the lower regime guys have no more stomach to support the Teheran Bob and do not do their "job" really. And people might know it.

Coffee Catholic said...

"If they say they will abide the national law, will you just take their word for it?" ... the Inquisition worked once before.

Yes, Gert Wilders did a very good job of laying down his argument first before getting to the solution. I wish the interviewer could have been a bit more patient.

No one can give hard numbers now. As it was stated: if Gert Wilders' solution was put into effect it would be up to individuals weather or not they remain or be deported.

Zenster said...

El: i was a little bit disappointed that he seemed so unwilling to get down to brass tacks. he had to be pressed repeatedly to commit to saying that millions would have to be thrown out. oh well, at least he said it.

More than just about anyone else, you should know rather well just how precarious of a position Geert Wilders is taking.

However slanderous in its abuse, Europe's Left has keep alive the specter of Nazism all too well. For Wilders to be any more explicit, especially without a much stronger political base, would endanger all of his hard won progress.

Henrik Ræder: Wilders was being pressed hard by the journalist to say something objectionable, bur resisted, and instead got across a lot of the main issues and problems he sees. That was a good handling of a difficult situation.

I agree completely. Few others could have carried off that interview so deftly or with such aplomb.

Personally, I believe that a small number (say, a few hundred) of targeted and determined deportations of radicals to Never-never Land would have a significant calming effect on the rest.

It still would not stem the demographic tide which can only be averted through reverse immigration.

That should make all other consider carefully whether radical Islamist statements and activities are really worth the risk. They *hate* getting back to the deserts they so richly deserve.

Careful or not, the end result that Muslims seek remains the same. Namely, enactment of shari'a law.

For many years now I have advocated a total ban in Western countries on all aspects of shari'a law. It must be identified as the massive violation of human rights that it is and any support for it must be greeted with the same condemnation and legal action that is met by those who actively promote Nazi genocide.

Western nations must write ineradicable prohibitions of shari'a into their constitutions so that even a Muslim majority could not vote it into existence.

Again, whenever Muslims attain over 50% of the vote, you will see the inexorable institution of shari'a law and this is what makes repatriation so important.

El Inglés' own analysis has clearly demonstrated the infeasibility of peacefully deporting the numerous millions of European Muslims. Given even half the problems cited by him, the future for Europe is particularly grim.

Kenny: If one renounces shariah and behaves in a law-abiding manner, then that's fine.

Unfortunately, no it isn't. There's this niggling little Islamic practice known as taqiyya that absolves Muslims from lies told about anything. This is why I continue to maintain that taqiyya alone irrevocably damns Islam.

Without strong constitutional prohibitions and legal proscriptions against shari'a law, Muslims will simply await their demographic ascendancy and institute their barbaric legal code at the earliest opportunity. Period.

Czechmade: For resisting islam one needs similar totalitarian structures and mindsets.

Sooner or later the West will be obliged to fight fire with fire. The only variable is how many will needlessly die―Westerner and Muslim alike―before this inevitable conclusion is reached.

Remember, we defeated the Nazis and imperial Japanese with becoming like them. We can do the same with Islam and not surrender up our humanity. But we must be prepared to ignore tremendous amounts of Muslim suffering―as they have so willfully ignored in others that were conquered by them―in order for the West to preserve itself against this virulent and toxic meme.

Henrik R Clausen said...

Czechmade:For resisting islam one needs similar totalitarian structures and mindsets.

No. We need strength and determination, and we need the liberals to stop derailing effective measures. But the totalitarian idea of putting down rules and regulations for every possible activity under the sun bears no relevance to the problem here.

Zenster said...

Robin Shadowes: Unfortunately we have a problem here and that is the tactic of taqyyia. If they say they will abide the national law, will you just take their word for it? Maybe if they feel the threat of being expelled permanently seriously enough, perhaps even the female full garments will come off but if they wore full garments in the first place, then they have no intention of living like kuffars permanently. [emphasis added]

BINGO!

Only as long as until it feels safe enough to take it on again, which might only be as long as the current government is in position. Once the government changess toward a more islam-friendly one, they will all become pious muslims again and we're back to square one. Complete repatriation is the only solution. Still we have this peaceful solution to the problem. Once the first civil war breaks out, that option will be forever closed. Then we have only the option three soulution in El's essays left and that will be a lot bloodier.

BRAVO, and worth repeating in its entirety. As I said, TAQIYYA IRREVOCABLY DAMNS ISLAM.

There is no way on earth of ever trusting someone who had granted themself a unilateral right to commit the ultimate etchical crime. There will NEVER be a level playing field and no possible way of accurately gauging a Muslim's true intentions.

The only indication of an authentic change in heart is when this world's Muslims abandon Islam one and all. No other gesture can have any meaning. Islam is so lethal and opposite to everything that Western civilization stands for that it simply cannot be tolerated.

DP111 said...

It would be a catastrophic policy mistake if just a few hundred so-called radical Muslims were deported, thus calming the rest of the Muslims. This would be a serious blunder, as the demographic growth will still continue unabated. Sooner or later, at the most ten years, the party of Wilders will be defeated, and then the full impact of a majority or near Muslim majority will be felt. It will then be fleeing ethnic Dutch from the Netherlands that will take place, till just a few are left, as Jews in Arab nations, or Hindus in Pakistan or Bangladesh.

I'm afraid that there is only one policy that is available- if and when Geert Wilders has the opportunity, he should seize the opportunity and remove the threat for posterity, for such an opportunity may never come again. Relying on the good faith of Muslims, or that they will reduce their demographic growth rate, is relying on the enemy to save your skin.

Time and time again, civilised people had the opportunity to deal a crushing blow to Islam, but they stayed their hand. Greece had the opportunity to rid itself of all Muslims, India had a historic opportunity to do the same, the USA had a golden opportunity after 9/11, to stop all Muslim immigration and start the reversal. In each case the opportunity was missed, kindness was shown to Muslims, and they are now paying the price.

Watching Eagle said...

Zenster,

Some very good points. I do hope the millitary will stop madness before it is too late. However, I think that you are focused on the [small] tip of the icebarg above the surface (terrorism, even WMD terrorism). I am more concerned about the much LARGER part of the iceberg below the surface (Islamism/ PC MC Multiculturalism). Bush's approach to "terrorism" was to try to push the top part of the Iceberg beneath the surface-- THIS KIND OF Resistance is Futile. We need to push the iceberg AWAY from us.

It is not the part of the iceberg ABOVE the surface that is the most dangerous, it is the part BELOW THE SURFACE that is the most dangerous to the "ship of western civilization" -- it causes holes in the hull, and the boat to fill with water and SINK.

Islamists are not the Soviets-- they are the REALITY BORG.

WE MUST NOT BE FIGHTING THE LAST WAR. Things have drastically changed sinced the 1990's (What most westerner's think of as "normal".

Zenster said...

DP111: It would be a catastrophic policy mistake if just a few hundred so-called radical Muslims were deported, thus calming the rest of the Muslims.

I agree quite vehemently, as the only party to be calmed by such a stop gap measure would be Europe's relatively uneducated majority who still do not understand the depth of Islam's threat.

Calmed Muslims be damned. The only "lull" we ever get from them comes in the form of hudna. It is exactly what we are experiencing right now as Iran seeks to acquire nuclear weapons and the entire MME (Muslim Middle East), uses that fact as a ruse to further arm itself with even more atomic bombs. That scenario has but one outcome. Namely, once Muslim nuclear arsenals reach an indeterminate size, there exists a non-zero probability of one or more atomic weapons falling into the hands of proxy or terrorists actors who will deploy them in the name of jihad.

I would rather see Western nations glass and Windex™ the entire MME than endure that Islamic threat for one microsecond.

Relying on the good faith of Muslims, or that they will reduce their demographic growth rate, is relying on the enemy to save your skin.

Precisely. One of the best lessons learned from the game of chess is:

NO STRATEGY SHOULD BE BASED UPON YOUR OPPONENT MAKING A BAD MOVE

This is a principal reason why my own position vis Islam seems so extreme. History is littered with extinct cultures who relied upon Islam to be accommodating or conciliatory in even the most remote sense.

I have no such illusions and can only count upon Islam to stab at the West from Hell's heart, as it has done now for several decades. This is why I continue to maintain that there is no upside to appeasing Islam.

In each case the opportunity was missed, kindness was shown to Muslims, and they are now paying the price.

A simple question: Has any culture throughout history survived its foolhardy attempt to peaceably coexist with Islam?

Ask any Indian or Israeli what sort of fruit the effort bears.

Watching Eagle said...

The Struggle For Survival of Civilizations

Fjordman is right, but I will add some points to situation in this and other posts.

First major point is that Natural Selection or "Survival of the Fittest" means nothing more and nothing less than THE SURVIVAL OF THE SURVIVORS. (Who survives? The fittest survive. Who are the fittest? Those that survive.)

At first glance, this may seem meaningless, but think a little deeper. Those that WANT TO SURVIVE WILL most likely SURVIVE, when compared to those that don't THINK THEY NEED TO STRUGGLE TO SURVIVE.

There are many problems of perception for the West (as opposed to reality), but the first one is caused by a lack of historical knowledge, and the success of Western Civilization. Remember that in the late 1500's, the Muslim world was equal in economical and technological advancement to the West (they had added the biological and technological distinctiveness of the Copts, Assyrians, Persians, Indians, etc. to their own). When Europe catapulted forward in the Scientific revolution, Europe raced FAR, FAR ahead of the rest of the world.

By the 20th Century, many in the West(especially the elite classes) had come to believe that our civilization had progressed BEYOND the POSSIBILITY OF FAILURE TO SURVIVE. After all, survival was a piece of cake, and we dominated every other culture. However, nothing stays static, and there are always new challenges.

More to the point, belief in one's own culture's invincibility has SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. What happens when a company believes it is "too big to fail", Look at Fannie Maw and Freddie Mac. Bad decisions are made, as there is no reason to do what is sound for the long run-- After all, SINCE THE FUTURE MUST BE BETTER, REGARDLESS OF OUR ACTIONS, WHY NOT LIVE "HIGH ON THE HOG"?

This is what has happened to our civilization, and especially our shadow oligarchy elite. We are "amusing ourselves to death" while the consequences of ignoring the struggle for survival build.

What is especially harmful is that the PC MC Post-Marxist elite BELIEVES that the SOLE OBSTACLE TO UTOPIA IS "WESTERN IMPERIALISM"

to be continued...

Zenster said...

Watching Eagle: I do hope the millitary will stop madness before it is too late.

As do I. Until any indications to the contrary, I will continue to place my faith in America's most respected insitution. Namely, its military. Our fighting forces have their reputation of integrity for all the right reasons.

... I think that you are focused on the [small] tip of the icebarg above the surface (terrorism, even WMD terrorism). I am more concerned about the much LARGER part of the iceberg below the surface (Islamism/ PC MC Multiculturalism).

We've explored this dispute in many previous threads.

One simple question:

Why did Geert Wilders focus upon the genuine threat of Muslim immigrants and the need to deport them instead of spending all of his time emphasizing how corrosive the liberal left's role continues to be in Europe?

You can be sure that he mentioned the Politically Correct Multicultural traitors in his description of Europe's problem. Let there be no doubt as to that. However, please note how overcoming their, admittedly, negative influence was not his ultimate gist? Why is that? I am truly interested in your response to this query.

Zenster said...

Bush's approach to "terrorism" was to try to push the top part of the Iceberg beneath the surface-- THIS KIND OF Resistance is Futile. We need to push the iceberg AWAY from us.

I agree, even though your assessment of Bush's strategy is far too generous. As a Texas oilman whose fortune was tied to petroleum extraction around the world, Bush presented the USA with a profound conflict of interest. His post 9-11 release into America's airspace of bin Laden's relatives and other Saudi royals was an act of treason and should be prosecuted as such.

Regarding Bush, I can only quote the FrontPage article about Serge Trifkovic, "Jihad's Fellow Travelers". Trifkovic's money quote:

The elite class, rootless, arrogant, cynically manipulative, and irreversibly jihad-friendly, has every intention of continuing to "fight" the war on terrorism without naming the enemy, without revealing his beliefs, without unmasking his intentions, without offending his accomplices, without expelling his fifth columnists, and without ever daring to win."

It is not the part of the iceberg ABOVE the surface that is the most dangerous, it is the part BELOW THE SURFACE that is the most dangerous to the "ship of western civilization" -- it causes holes in the hull, and the boat to fill with water and SINK.

I'm going to play along here and say that the iceberg's tip is all we have to sight upon. Present circumstances prohibit any more effective assaults upon the Islamic menace to our ship of state.

I continue to maintain that using America's Special Forces to execute Islam's clerical, scholastic, political and financial elite would be far more cost efficient, much less expensive and way more productive that any other strategy at present.

Here is my own "Top Forty Hit List":

1. Ayman al-Zawahiri
2. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
3. Ayatollah Kahmeini
4. Mullah Muhammad Omar
5. Abu Bakar Ba'asyir (Bashir)
6. Moqtada Sadr,
7. Abu Hamza al-Masri,
8. Fateh Najmeddin Faraj — Mullah Krekar (AKA: Abu Sayyid Qutb)
9. Khaled Meshal
10. Sheikh Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah
11. Ismail Haniya
12. Mohammed Abbas
13. Yusuf al-Qaradawi
14. Tariq Ramadan
15. Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali
16. imam Omar Bakri Muhammed Fustuq
17. imam Abdel-Samie Mahmoud Ibrahim Moussa
18. imam Sheikh SyeSyed Mubarik Ali Gilani
19. Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal
20. Sheik Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi
21. Dr. Mahmoud al-Zahar
22. Prince Sultan Ibn Abd al-Aziz
23. Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz
24. Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz
25. Muhammad Taqi Usmani
26. Yasin al Qadi (Saudi terrorist financier)
27. Sheikh Abdullah bin Jibreen — top Wahabbi cleric
28. Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan — top Wahabbi cleric
29. Sheikh Nasser Al-Omar — top Wahabbi cleric
30. Sheikh Essa
31. Abu Waleed Ansari
32. Abu Yahya al-Libbi
33. Maulana Ilyas Kashmiri
34. Sheikh Abu Yahya al-Libi (al Qaeda CEO)
35. Sheikh Abdel-Aziz Al al-Sheikh — Saudi Grand Mufti
36. Ramadan Shalah — Islamic Jihad leader
37. Ali Abdullah Saleh – Yemini President
38. Sheikh Ibrahim Al-Ghaith — head SA’s Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.
39. Imad Mugniyah — Iranian master terrorist – Killed 2/13/2008
Substitute: Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu — OIC Secretary General
40. Ahmed Abu Laban — DEAD unfortunately of natural causes— January 19, 2007
Substitute: Nour al Maliki or Hamid Karzai

Zenster said...

Watching Eagle: Islamists are not the Soviets-- they are the REALITY BORG.

As a non-fan of Next-Gen, on that note:

All a Borg!

And the only thing the Borg left behind was NT.

Assimilate me... tender... - Elvis of Borg

Borg saying: We came. We absorbed. We left.

Borg virus detected. (A)ssimilate? (Y/y)

BorgDOS: Irrelevant command or filename.

Borgasm: The ecstacy of being assimilated.

Borger King. Have it our way. Your way is irrelevant.

Bush Borg: The economy is irrelevant.

Distance is irrelevant: Pythagoras of Borg.

Drunk Borg: Rsilience in floor tile. Wan'be similated?

GOTO, GOING TO, GONE TO: Borg subroutine

Geraldo of Borg: Next brothers who assimilate sisters.

Groucho Borg: That's the silliest thing I ever assimilated.

HersheyBORG: Wrappers are futile. Chocolate will be assimilated.

I am Al of Borg. Aww, Peg, I assimilated you last year.

I am Bart of Borg. Who the hell are you?

I am Bart of Borg. Prepare to be assimilated, Man!

I am Bugs Bunny of Borg. What's up, Collective?

I am Caffeine of Borg. Sleep is irrelevant.

I am Clinton of Borg. Hillary says resistance is futile!

I am CopyCat of Borg. Your tagline will be assimilated.

I am Dangerfield of Borg. Respect is irrelevant.

I am Descartes of Borg: I assimilate therefore I am.

I am Fudd of Borg. Wesistance is usewess!

I am Garfield of Borg - Hairballs are irrelevant.

I am Ginsu of Borg. You will be assimilated - but WAIT! There's MORE!

I am Homer of Borg! Prepare to be... OOooooo! Donuts!

I am Jordan of Borg. Gravity is irrelevant.

I am Madonna of Borg. Gender is irrelevant.

I am Madonna of Borg. Justify my assimilation! ::pant::pant::

I am Spock of Borg... Fascinating.

I am Yoda of Borg: Irrelevant the Force is

I am Zsa Zsa of Borg. Prepare to be assimilated dahling.

I am neither human nor Borg. I am Hugh-Man!

I yam Popeye of Borg, Prepare to be askimilated

McBorgers: Over 50 million assimilated.

My other computer is a Borg.

Number 6 of Borg - Why I resigned is irrelevant.

P-Porky P-Pig of Borg: You will be assim-assim... absorbed.

Political correctness is a Borg plot.

Q: How many Borg does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: All of them.

Quayle Borg: Inhaling is irrelevant.

Rush LimBorg: Liberals are irrelevant.

Tennis is irrelevant. - Bjorn Borg

The Borg are coming! Quick, try and look useless.

The Borg assimilated me & all I got was this lousy T-Shirt!

The Borg: Calm, Cool and Collective.

The Swedish Chef has been assimilated. Borg borg borg!

This is Borg. [ESC] is futile [CTRL] is inevitable.

U2 will become one with the Borg. We like Bono.

We are Daleks of Borg. ASSIMILATE! ASSI-MIL-ATE!!!!!!!

We are the Borg. Your files will be assimilated.

We have engaged the Borg. The wedding will be Friday.

Welcome to Borg Burger. No pickles. Pickles are irrelevent.

Whose laser thru yonder saucer section cuts? 'Tis the Borg

Zenster said...

Watching Eagle: WE MUST NOT BE FIGHTING THE LAST WAR. Things have drastically changed sinced the 1990's (What most westerner's think of as "normal".

But seriously, folks.

I could not agree with your more. As I previously noted, the West's ability to defeat Islam will require a heretofore unknown ability to ignore Muslim suffering on a massive scale.

Islam has fought tooth and nail to arrive at this horrific outcome and it would be churlish of us to deny their collective quest for martyrdom.

The "last war", be it WWII, Vietnam or Iraq are all inapplicable to the model required at this time.

One simple fact:

THE ERA OF NATION BUILDING IS OVER ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME!

This is especially so for the MME (Muslim Middle East). Our only obligation is to go in, break the bad boys' toys and depart with minimum losses while inflicting maximum damage to their military and WMD R&D infrastructure. I'd even go so far as to bill them for the wasted ordnance.

As I tell the serving military and veterans I meet: When all of this is over, Islam will be a bad memory.

Watching Eagle said...

Continued...

all right, we see what has happened to our culture, what about the Islamic culture? They are OBSESSED with survival (conquest and domination are heightened forms of survival), even the word SHARIAH is literally "oasis" and means "the way of survival". Consider the past 400 years from an islamic perspective. In the late 1500's your conquests {by BOTH "JUST STRUGGLE" (JIHAD) AND "THE MIGRATION (AL-HIJRA)}are rumbling forward in the Sahel, East Africa, Indonesia, and the Balkans.

All of a sudden, filthy ingrate liars and infidels start defeating you, conquering you, subjegating you, and replacing "the way of survival" with their own! This continues until all your kingdoms are conquered and your theocratic empire is eliminated by a traitor (Kemal Ataturk), with the help of filthy infidel henchmen!!

Shellshocked, you are trying to figure out what went so horribly wrong. Two guys (Qutb and Maududi) say that you must get back to basics and assimilate new tactics and technologies (in a Shariah-compliant way of course). These groups sound like fringe wackjobs to you at first ( in light of recent experience), but they spread their ideas; and lo and behold, colonialism is lifted, and you start snowing and running rings around the same filthy, ingrate infidels who had been dominating you a short couple of generations ago! You even start the process of assimilating them, which had failed for 1300 years!! Things HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE THE PAST 400 YEARS, BUT NOW THINGS ARE GETTING BACK ON TRACK!! The islamists are right!! What wonderful progress is being achieved at adapting Western culture to service yours!!!

This is how muslims (with a much deeper understanding of history than our culture) feel about the past few centuries. They look at the 1800's and 1900's as we Westerners look at the Dark Ages, and they are more ecstatic about the "progress" of the "just struggle"[jihad] today than we were about landing a man on the moon.

When seen from this perspective, the large and growing power and appeal of the islamists in the muslim world begins to be understandable. No wonder we are in trouble!!

Meanwhile, our technological success (in the West) coupled with the result of colonial dominance has made westerners, especially Leftists, think that we are invincible, and that our culture can only progress and improve.

Life is easy, and we can just make problems "go away", and get back to our "partying and 'fun'". This is 'normal'. (The Left thinks)other cultures think like we do, and they are 'primitive life forms' who have been 'held back' by "western imperialism". Thus, remove the "western imperialism" (ANYTHING THAT 'OFFENDS' NON-WESTERNERS) AND PROGRESS WILL BECOME UTOPIA.

This is the irrational 'ideological racism' of the Western Left. What could be more racist that to think that your culture will survive anything because it is "better" and 'more advanced'.

The abstract irrational ethnocentric ideological racism of the Left causes ruthless paranoid anti-White racism (concrete) to keep their psyches in 'balance'. (this is a topic for another post)

To sum up, the culture concerned about survival will survive, NOT THE CULTURE THAT IS 'MORE PLEASANT', 'MORE TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED', OR 'MORE HUMANE'.


Simply saying "our culture is better than one stuck in the 7th. Century", is not enough to penetrate Westerner's false premises about the world. This is why I communicate about it to people in the language of 21st. Century science fiction.

Zenster said...

Watching Eagle: First major point is that Natural Selection or "Survival of the Fittest" means nothing more and nothing less than THE SURVIVAL OF THE SURVIVORS.

I could not agree with you more. This one is for all the marbles.

At first glance, this may seem meaningless, but think a little deeper. Those that WANT TO SURVIVE WILL most likely SURVIVE, when compared to those that don't THINK THEY NEED TO STRUGGLE TO SURVIVE.

Yup. The process is going to be ugly, messy and nasty beyond belief. It matters not whether Islam or the West wins, the outcome will still be devastating. Remember:

ISLAM WOULD NOT HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY

There are many problems of perception for the West (as opposed to reality), but the first one is caused by a lack of historical knowledge, and the success of Western Civilization.

Agreed, which is why I brought up Europe's lack of historical perception.

By the 20th Century, many in the West(especially the elite classes) had come to believe that our civilization had progressed BEYOND the POSSIBILITY OF FAILURE TO SURVIVE. After all, survival was a piece of cake, and we dominated every other culture.

A damned fine point and one that may get us all killed.

Effing good post, Watching Eagle! Drop the Borg cliché and keep up with this sort of narrative. The counter-jihad community needs this type of pep-talk in spades!

Zenster said...

Watching Eagle: ... what about the Islamic culture? They are OBSESSED with survival ...

I know that you are well-meaning but this is where our paths diverge. Muslims are not "OBSESSED with survival".

Remember, THERE ARE RADICAL IMAMS WHO WOULD RATHER SEE THE EARTH STRIPPED OF ALL HUMAN LIFE―EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD DEAD WITH MUSLIMS IN THEIR PARADISE AND INFIDELS ROTTING IN ETERNAL HELL―RATHER THAN SHARE THIS PLANET WITH EVEN A SINGLE UNBELIEVER.

Again, Muslims are not "obsessed with survival". They are fixated upon dominance, be it now or in the hereafter. Being a death cult, this is what makes them most dangerous of all. Living or dead signifies NOTHING, only conquest and annihilation of all competing cultures means a jot to these maniacs.

There are many problems of perception for the West (as opposed to reality), but the first one is caused by a lack of historical knowledge, and the success of Western Civilization.

Remember, this can be cured through education.

They look at the 1800's and 1900's as we Westerners look at the Dark Ages, and they are more ecstatic about the "progress" of the "just struggle"[jihad] today than we were about landing a man on the moon.

An outstanding point and worth the entire price of admission. You could not be more spot on by comparing America's lunar landing to Islam's puny jihad. Conquest of other celestial bodies means NOTHING to Muslims compared to contemperaneous domination of our world.

Again, Islam's death cult orientation takes precedence. Better to rule the earth than attain a level of technological proficiency that might save the human race from oblivion by populating other off-world locations. BRAVO!

Meanwhile, our technological success (in the West) coupled with the result of colonial dominance has made westerners, especially Leftists, think that we are invincible, and that our culture can only progress and improve.

Especially if the Left finally gets a chance to "do it right", as they now seem to have obtained.

The abstract irrational ethnocentric ideological racism of the Left causes ruthless paranoid anti-White racism (concrete) to keep their psyches in 'balance'. (this is a topic for another post).

And one that I hope you will consider submitting to GoV for publication. You have all the right ammunition. Let's see it fired on target and on topic. I believe the results would be impressive.

To sum up, the culture concerned about survival will survive, NOT THE CULTURE THAT IS 'MORE PLEASANT', 'MORE TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED', OR 'MORE HUMANE'.

If anything, the lesson we shall take away from Islam is that "pleasant" and "advanced" have little to do with what will be required for Western civilization to survive.

Simply saying "our culture is better than one stuck in the 7th. Century", is not enough to penetrate Westerner's false premises about the world. This is why I communicate about it to people in the language of 21st. Century science fiction.

Fair enough, but I think you possess sufficient journalistic skill to reach beyond such clichés and make your points even more clearly.

If it is not clear by now, we are both in violent agreement and all that remains is to sort out the odd stray fact. At least, that is what I am hoping. Feel free to render your own verdict.

Watching Eagle said...

Zenster,

Glad you liked my post! Since you are not a Star-Trek fan, I will explain why I refer to the Borg.

In Star Trek, the Borg are an alien collective that conquers by using other creatures' abilities and technologies (presumably because they can't invent their own very well) to improve their fighting power. Every drone is to submit to "the collective".

The three relevant phrases are:

"We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness our own,

You will be assimilated,

Your CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE OURS."

Now, the muslim world (as designed by Mohammed)is a sort of "collective" (the Ummah) were everyone is made to submit to "the way of survival" [Shariah], and whose fighting skills are increased by adding other cultures' people and technologies to their own (innovation is NOT the forte of muslims). Keep in mind that nearly ALL of islamist's tactics and technolgies being used to conquer the are Shariah-compliant versions of Western ideas (first from the Germans in the 1930's, then from the Soviets in the 1950-60's [by Syed Maududi], and finally from Western Leftists in the 1990's {PC MC, 'diversity', 'respect', 'misunderstood minority', 'western oppression').

As such, I see similarities between the fictional Borg (in Star Trek) and Islamists (in reality). The term "Reality Borg" means 'we are facing an alien culture whose goals are to change us the way the want us to be, and they are using Western-invented technology and tactics to accomplish this).

After all, how would you describe what the Islamist plan, goals, and modus operendai really is than to express it as follows:

"We will add your biological and technological distintiveness to our own,

You will be assimilated,

Your culture will adapt to service ours"

More to the point, Westerners have many erroneous perceptions about history and world cultures (Leftist Educational Brainwashing)
and if you say "muslims are planning to take the West back to the 7th. Century" (while true), they will think "this guy thinks that slow-minded camel-riding primitives can elimate our advanced society? He's a wack job and/or dangerous racist!" and get turned off as a result.

I think it is better to use Science fiction language to at least be able to explain what is going on (West and Islam) and make people curious to understand.

An alternative title to "the Reality Borg" to explain what is happening could be

"The Return of the Ummah--
Rise of the 'Just' Struggle 3.0"

People today in the West can't grasp "backward, camel-riding ignorant people taking over 'advanced western society', but they can grasp aliens taking over our society using their own and Western made technology and tactics.

Hence "The Reality Borg"-it could be 'the end of the world as we as we know it.'

Robin Shadowes said...

There are always interesting people hanging out on this blog. I have a suggestion. I assume you've heard of Second Life. If there should be any serious interest in this idea, we could collect some money and rent a house. It is possible to set it to such a grade of privacy that anyone even getting close to the house will be teleported back to their points of origin. Thus there will don't have to fear spying eyes. There is also this function called Snapshot which makes it possible to document a meeting. A history of the chatting can also be saved. For those who hasn't tried it yet, registering an account and downloading the software is free. You also have relative freedom in creating your avatar with a free account only. Only if you have the urge to look like a penguin or something like that, you might have to upgrade to pro.

Robin Shadowes said...

I like the hit-list. For the sake of our fellow british brethren, I wouldn't mind to add "Lord" Ahmed too and possibly the loudmouth Choudary. With the proper intel the orchestration of such a scheme could probably be achieved fairly easy considering it involves professional agents. If possible I would prefer to take them out all at once, no matter of geographical location. Even with the best of intel it could be a logistic nightmare though but nothing is impossible. If there only is a will to...

Zenster said...

Watching Eagle: Hence "The Reality Borg"-it could be 'the end of the world as we as we know it.'

Sport, I said that I wasn't a fan of Next-Gen and not that I have never watched it.

Again, your own arguments carry sufficient strength without resorting to such tired clichés. After all, we'll all be asslaminated into this planet's crust given enough time.

Please consider giving the Borg meme a rest in favor of your own worthwhile abilities to accurately describe the Islamic threat.

erdebe said...

Well, i dont think its very clever to say what he said in the interview. The dutch press is going to have a field day, and will turn and twist this interview inti the final proof, the smoking gun, of his allegedly dark and sinister intentions.

And ofcourse this makes it all the easier for other country's to start banning Wilders from their country as well. After all, who wants to have a certified genocidal maniac coming to tea!

I think this interview is a big tactical error.

Czechmade said...

Henrik,

"For resisting islam one needs similar totalitarian structures and mindsets."

Of course I am not in favour of this option. That is why I say "remove the muslims before it is too late".

But in long term we get a polarization - we might be getting rid of muslims and keep some disgusting counterpart of this efficient tool - a seemingly happy solution.


There are historical examples of this fact: the nazi rule over various parts of Europe stimulated the communists much more than we can imagine. It was artificial, but very effective.

Or "Catholic Inquisition": after having fought islam to the end in Spain, harmed Europe in aftermath. Harmed
the Catholic church in long term as well.

The irony is, there is some Arabic term - counterpart of the "inquisition" (munha?) which used to work in the opposite direction.
Thereafter a sort of simple polarization took place.

So we have got some foreign element (munha?) in a polarized manner and spread around Europe after happily defeating islam in one part of Europe...and everybody was subjected by this derivate Pyrrhic element- suddenly.

Something like unemployed jihadis in Afghanistan searching for the next job opportunity...


Or take an opposite example:

The US soldiers on the Normandy beach were dying like flies. They saw their friends dying just to postpone the end of the war for few weeks. Crazy.

But many of them did not have a real grudge against "Germans", they could understand perfectly that the same kind of a farmer, father of a family with no nazi background had to fight them.

But this clear vision was defined and limited by the great privilege of joining the war quite recently. If you were envolved in the fighting for years you would lose the touch of such a intellectual chivalry. You would see anything "German" as pure devil...

erdebe said...

Hi,

Here you can find the speech Wilders made to the Danish Free Press Society: http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2045&Itemid=1

DP111 said...

People are increasingly aware of the threat that Islam poses. Geert Wilders PVV party's success is a measure of that, and people are still willing to give a party a chance to remove this threat in a civilised manner - as civilised as possible given the nature of the threat.

In the UK, there was no party that offered a policy that was anti-Islam but not racist, or at least perceived as racist. Even then the BNP garnered enough votes to be a threat. I believe that if a PPV type party was to enter the fray in Britain, things could take a decisive turn i.e. the other parties will have to trim their sails.

If a democratic approach is not available, then people will turn to violence, for no people have ever given up power voluntarily, leading to a civil war. A civil war in Europe, given that Europe is the past master in the art of war, will turn so nasty that it will yet again bring the world down.

It is to avoid such a catastrophe, the needless deaths of millions of people - men, women and children, that it is necessary to separate Islam and Muslims from the West. Common humanity and decency require that political institutions start to prepare for this, or else we are looking at a civil war that makes Bosnia look like a garden party.

Zenster said...

DP111: It is to avoid such a catastrophe, the needless deaths of millions of people - men, women and children, that it is necessary to separate Islam and Muslims from the West. Common humanity and decency require that political institutions start to prepare for this, or else we are looking at a civil war that makes Bosnia look like a garden party.

This is the bottom line. Islam is immiscible with Western civilization. Period. Neither can exist amicably within the milieu of the other. EVER.

Any attempt to deceive oneself or others about this only ups the eventual butcher's bill.

The most disturbing aspect of Islam is that separation will not ultimately resolve this situation.

Islam is so inhumane and aggressive that it cannot be tolerated by a civilized world in any way possible. The incompatibility manifests at far too many important levels.

Abject Gender Apartheid: Islam's degredation of women is reason enough to dismantle it. Something so hostile and abusive to over half of this world's population is simply unacceptable. The widespread practice in Islam of FGM (Female Genital Mutilation), only cements this fact.

Theocracy: One incontrovertible feature of modern and representative governance is the separation of church and state. No such thing exists in Islam nor is it even possible.

Shari'a Law: While it is but an extension of Islam's theocratic nature, shari'a is so offensive to the vast majority of Western legal traditions that it is a deal-breaker all by itself.

Taqiyya: This is yet another Islamic deal-breaker. All by itself, it makes Islam wholely incompatible with Western civilization. There can be no meaningful negotiation, contracts, pacts, treaties or bilateral resolutions―the basis of all Western diplomacy, commerce and law―so long as taqiyya remains an accepted Muslim practice. Finally, is there any way to tell when Muslims have sincerely abandoned taqiyya? The answer is a clear and resounding "NO!" This is why taqiyya irrevocably damns Islam. Without abandonment of Islam as a whole, there can be no meaningful rejection of taqiyya by Muslims, EVER. This is the hideous nature of taqiyya, that it allows a Muslim even to lie about foresaking taqiyya itself. There will never exist any verifiable way of determining that Islam has genuinely relinquished this fundamental and entirely unfair advantage it has awarded itself.

This list could go on for much longer but the above FOUR BASIC ISLAMIC PRACTICES are sufficient to demonstrate the fundamental incompatibility of Islam and Western civilization. That Islam has NO REDEEMING FEATURES is the final nail in its coffin.

Czechmade said...

Good one, Zenster

The brevity gives your thought special powers.

We should be able to write all those points as sort of a constitution.

Crisp, clear, unrefutable.

To build up such a text and calling it "Anti-islamic constitution of the Western world"

might spread like fire.

5-10 pages, a final adieu to islam.