First, the news article:
Harry de Winter Accuses Wilders of RacismTelevision producer Harry de Winter placed a page-width advertisement on the front page of the left-wing newspaper Volkskrant [nicknamed the “Vinegar Messenger”, or the “Dutch Pravda” — translator] in which he accuses Wilders of racism. “If Wilders said the same thing about Jews (and the Old Testament) as he does about Muslims (and the Koran), he would have been sentenced long ago for anti-Semitism,” according the text of the advertisement.
De Winter placed the advertisement also on behalf of the foundations “The Initiatives” and “Another Jewish Sound”, both of which he co-founded.
In an interview elsewhere in the paper the television producer compares Wilders stand against Islam with the way the Nazis began their work towards the Holocaust. “Wilders states ‘the’ Muslims must be addressed and that the Koran is a fascistic book. That is how the prosecution of Jews started; by making matters more general”.
The host of Wintertime [his own program] calls for Jews to speak out against Wilders. “For me there isn’t any difference between a yarmulke or a burka. I hope to receive lots of support from Jewish circles. For we as no other can recognize ourselves in this affair.
“Muslims shouldn’t tolerate everything. The Muslim community should express itself more openly against terrorism.”
And H. Numan’s commentary:
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Well folks, it’s almost show time! Got the popcorn ready? Don’t bother heating it. There are plenty people willing pop your corn on the street.
Pop your corn over a burning Dutch or Danish flag in Afghanistan, for example. But do make sure you pop your corn on the real McCoy! Afghans aren’t known to be very bright (except only for a few seconds, when they blow themselves up), and last week they burned the flag of former Yugoslavia to express their anger over Mr. Wilders. Next time, if they’re REALLY mad, they might burn the flag of Paraguay or perhaps even Luxembourg…
Now the moment is getting close for the presentation of Fitna; knives are sharpened, the prime minister whines unceasingly, and left-wing “leaders” and “celebrities” are calling for the people to be as dhimmi as they themselves are.
First we had this Doekle Terpstra. He’d make mincemeat of Wilders! Wilders didn’t even bother to respond. Which was very wise, as within days this left-wing activist (Mr. Terpstra was a labor union leader) had to admit he… hmmmm… actually lied about the national support he had. Exit Doekle.
Now we have, as far as I can judge, an über-dhimmi. Someone who would be more than happy to collect thirty pieces of silver from whomever needs his services. Not just your ordinary everyday “the Mohammedans ain’t that bad” dhimmi. No, Mr. Judas Bloody Iscariot himself, no less. Mr. De Winter produces (a) TV program. That doesn’t necessarily mean to say he is a celebrity, even though he seems to think that. Nor does it say much about his (arrogated) intelligence. Most any dimwit can produce a TV show, and many do.
Mr. De Winter suffers a bit from wishful thinking: if Wilders…. yes, if pigs had wings, they might fly to Mecca and dive-bomb the black rock. Wilders doesn’t say anything about Jews, because there isn’t much to be said against Jews. Wilders realizes the Old Testament is between 2000-3500 years old, and written by semi-literate goatherds. And that the Israelis have matured somewhat in the last three millennia. They don’t do a whole lot of smiting anymore to please their Lord.
As opposed to Mohammedans who today behave exactly as the ancient Hebrews on the way to the Promised Land, killing and smiting everybody plus the dog and the pig on the way. Not only on the way to “their” promised land, but basically on the way to everybody else’s promised or inhabited lands. Which, incidentally, is ordered directly in the Koran, and that is the reason why Mr. Wilders (and many more) have a major problem with this fascistic book. Democracy and Islam are diametrical opposites of one another.
To make his advertisement a bit more interesting, he placed it on behalf of himself, himself (the foundation “The Initiatives”) and himself (the foundation “Another Jewish Sound”). Can one get any sillier than that? And where did he find the money for such a normally extremely expensive advertisement? In all likelihood the newspaper pulled a Doekle Terpstra: Terpstra also got a front page advertisement for next to nothing in the newspaper Trouw. I truly can’t imagine that the most left-wing newspaper currently in the Netherlands sells such a premium advertisement space for face value to a fellow comrade-in-arms, combating the evil Blond.
It seems the left is now really grabbing at straws: first indirect comparisons with Hitler, and now outright open comparisons with the Nazis. How silly can one get? If anyone is democratic, it is Wilders. If Mr. De Winter can’t see any difference between a yarmulke and a burka, well… he probably needs a new guide dog.
In Holland we say about chappies like this: Die? Die is gekker dan het paard van Christus, en dat was een ezel! “That one? He’s sillier than the horse of Christ, and that was an ass!
28 comments:
Although agreeing with the author in general, I don't understand why it is necessary also to insult Jews and the Bible. That is probably the only way an European can perform. I could for example say that all Europeans are nazis, but during last 60 years they have softened their nazi habits, so it's fine. I think, in the current situation when we all are in the same boat, it is a good idea to control your speech, and if you can't but insult your allies, just stay quiet for a little.
The word "KAPO" were first used to describe those Jews who were eager collaborators with the SS. The Judenrat in the Eastern European ghetto organized the deportations of the unfortunate Jews to Auschwitz and elsewhere. The Bolshevik Jews invented Birobidjan in Siberia where all the religious non Communist Jews were sent by Stalin's Jewish henchmen like Yagoda, Trocky and countless more.
They were the Communist Party leaders behind the Iron curtain - back then - and an American-born (Adam Pearlman) Jew is the official Spokesman of Al-Queida today under the name of Adam Yahiye Gadahn.
Most decent people completely aware of the bloody horror taking place world wide in the wake of Islamofascist expansion ..-there is no rational mind who would support beheading, genital mutilation, oppression of free speech, terrorism, the list is bloody long.
We are still remembering the brutal mutilation of a young Jewish Frenchmen in Paris by muslim thugs, the burning of Synagogue ...
It's is bad omen for a Jew if he joins the enemies of Europe and it portends very cloudy coming days for the remaining Jews.
Supporting and aiding the enemy during wartime will not benefit the Jewish people: people tend to remember and remembering never ended well for the Jews.
Just because some Jews have noticed the open borders, pro mass immigration policies that all major Jewish groups have advocated for all countries but one may have negative results for Jews does not make them our allies.
Separated at birth: Harry de Winter and Jeremiah Wright (Obama's passing for black pastor).
But seriously, as a right-wing non-observant Jew, I resent this deWinter creature presuming to take a position on behalf of Jews. He makes people like teacher.paris hallucinate that there's a conspiracy. There's no conspiracy, Jews don't agree on anything, and the subject of this article is an idiot. Plus, people of his type are no more religious than I am, so how can he pontificate on "Jewish" ethics?
Jews can insult, plot against, and help genocide white Europeans, but no European can oppose any jew's point of view or interests, ever, for any reason. That would be a new Holocaust.
Jews can insult, plot against, and help genocide white Europeans, but no European can oppose any jew's point of view or interests, ever, for any reason. That would be a new Holocaust.
Muslims can insult, plot against, and help genocide white Europeans, but no European can oppose any Muslims's point of view or interests, ever, for any reason. That would be honest.
Instead, the lower drecks of European society invent delusional plots to scapegoat Jews for.
“If Wilders said the same thing about Jews (and the Old Testament) as he does about Muslims (and the Koran), he would have been sentenced long ago for anti-Semitism,” according the text of the advertisement.
I wonder, does this argument in fact speak against Wilders, or Jews and the Old Testament...?
In any case, to accuse something of "fascism" is futile. People like Wilders should not get into the discourse of the Left or the neoconservatives (the latter group has invented such idiocies as "Islamofascism") by attacking their enemies for being "fascist". As the Left realized long ago, anything can be called "fascist" (and constantly is). For Europeans, there is an existential reason to oppose Islam - not because Islam is "fascist", but because it is alien to Europe. And whoever says this is, naturally, a "fascist"...
Bambi, what will the Jews (as a whole, as a united comunity) do now?
Who will the Jews support?
Any Jew that goes along with the muslims is, in my view, a traitor to their Nation, to the Jewish Nation and to the State of Israel.
"In any case, to accuse something of "fascism" is futile. People like Wilders should not get into the discourse of the Left or the neoconservatives (the latter group has invented such idiocies as "Islamofascism") by attacking their enemies for being "fascist". For Europeans, there is an existential reason to oppose Islam - not because Islam is "fascist", but because it is alien to Europe. And whoever says this is, naturally, a "fascist"..."
Yes indeed fellow Slav, I could not speak better words.
Comparing the Yarmulke (skull cap) of the Jews to the Burka is an anti-semitic insult. There is absolutely no comparison between covering the top of your head and forcing someone to cover their entire face. This is disgusting.
The Koran is what should be compared to Nazism, not Jews. How disgusting. The more I read from the European press, the more I feel like I'm smelling fecal matter.
If you can't see the difference between covering your hair and covering your FACE then you truly have no moral distinctions, which is certainly the case today in Europe.
Just reading the comments, you have to laugh.
Right-wing Jew-haters think ALL Jews are ALL leftist, transnational communists.
Left-wing Jew-haters think ALL Jews are money-grubbing American Capitalists or some such nonsense.
Please, get a brain.
Sorry, one more thing.
I myself can't stand leftist, suicidal Jews. But I think the key-word is Leftist.
The Left is a virus which destroys any common sense or moral distinction, weather you are a Jew or not.
I love this blog, God Bless your existence! I'm greatful everyday for the people like The Baron and Dymphna.
Boxermk,
Now I am turning anti anti semitics.
Have you notice that Jews are imune to everything? Even in this blog, one can not speak sarcastically about the Jews or say that the Jews are something more than poor defensless victims without expecting the world to fall in the next moment.
Well, I have said inumerous times, I admire the Jews. No other "ethnic" has standed as an elite as the Jews had.
But I don't love the Jews.
Have you noticed that if you don't love the Jews or if you do see the Jew as different, you are rapidly classified as a Jew hater.
Do I have to be a Jew hater just because I don't love the Jews?
If so, why am I not seen as a Chinese hater once I simply don't care about them? Once I don't love the Chinese either?
Freedom of expression dude, freedom of expression...
Jews who were eager collaborators with the SS. The Judenrat in the Eastern European ghetto organized the deportations of the unfortunate Jews to Auschwitz and elsewhere
You are disgusting Bela..No jews were eager collaborators with the SS, you dog - they were poor terrified creatures who with a gun against their head had to collaborate with their diabolical henchmen, who weren't satisfied with killing the people by shoving them in ovens, but who found it terribly amusing to make their victims do it to each other..
And the jews in the Jewish councils were, in the same diabolical manner used to orchestrate the destruction of their own people.
If you would behave much better in their circumstances I hope you will one day get the chance to prove your courage and righteousness
And as for your accusation against the bolsheviks: the operative word in that sentence is bolsheviks - not Jews.
Iow - they did what they did because they were bolsheviks, nòt because they were jews.
(Bela...Rumanian? Russian?
Still as anti-semitic as sixty years ago, your people?)
boxermk a task for you:
please characterize (find a name for)George Soros who is an infamous Jewish capitalist yet financially supports communist causes and persons. But they are many more like him.
2.In the light of the monumental genocide committed by the Communist, today they are shy of calling themselves as such because of the bad reputation it entails.
Here comes the Orwellian newspeak:
they refer to themselves as Leftist, Liberal, Progressive, Democrat, Humanist, Socialist...anything but bloody Marxist.
Marx's Last Words: "I Am Not A Marxist!"
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
Also one must not consider the Jews as a homogeneous tribe. Our resentment is aimed at the LEADERS of Leftist organization because those people are invariably rich Jewish commie-capitalist.
Yep, de Wilders is just like Hitler who when, under police protection by the authorities from Jewish terrorists, chose to present a film critical of judaism.
Seriously, this is one of the most outrageous cases of the victim being taken for the executioner - usually he is just accused of provoking the culprit. The depths to which cowards will dive to blame the victim, to excuse their cowardice, are boundless.
Bela :
Isn't "invariably Jewish" a little too much ?
Lots of leaders of "leftist organization" are VERY much non-jewish , such as at least 50% of Europes leading politicians and MSM-heads who manage to be perfectly Dhimmified whithout a single J-gene.
Today seems to be a day where a lot of bottled-up resentment are let freely out of the closet,which is probably a good thing if we're ever to resolve our differences.
So ,I also will let out a bit of steam :
Maybe some ARMCHAIR-WARRIERS need to be reminded of the fact ,that while they strugle hard to manage the HTML , a lot of Jews are out there in the night with M-16's to kill real terrorists.
And they'll be there a long time after the MARINES ( god bless them)have gone home from Iraq and Afganistan
I think a disproportionate number of Jews have been part of internationalist movements over the years -- whether the marxist kind or the economic globalist kind -- but I think it's an unsurprising reaction to history rather than any conspiracy.
I think Jews like Soros and the Dutch guy are looking back at the holocaust and seeing multi-culturalism as a defense against a repeat of the Nazis. However, multi-culturalism ends in Islam so they're inadvertently creating conditions for a new holocaust instead.
"Lots of leaders of "leftist organization" are VERY much non-jewish"
Indeed. And interestingly (to me anyway) other national minorities within larger states are disproportionate too e.g Welsh, Scottish, Irish in the UK.
ole:
You are correct because I probably exaggerated the number of Jewish leaders in the leftist organization -sorry for it. (I do not know the European situation so my focus of interest is concentrating on our home front.) However a brief visit at David Horowitz's Discover the network website is very revealing.
ACLU, So. Poverty Law Center, MoveOn, Code Pink, Soros' Media Matters, Hollywood, Bernie Sanders (Vermont) Chomsky, Judt, Zinn, these people are poverful Anti-American, pro-terrorist hardcore leftist individuals of Jewish descent.
nicolai is right too...every word what you put in writing is true.
And please, don't forget this whole subject is the corollary of a Jewish guy support of Islamic murderers and one is eager to know WHY!
My God - where do all those jew-baiting creeps come from all of a sudden?
Which Jew-baiting creeps?
So its only "morally" correct to criticise muslims and leftist Europeans... well, I've heard many theories that the Jews were "above the law", as "untoucables", in America; I have always disgarded such theories as paranoia, thinking that in America the Jews were just an elite as in Europe. But now I start to realise that the Jews are indeed at another level in America. I am starting to equate the Jews in America to our leftist "tranzi" and eurocrat elite in Europe...
"However, multi-culturalism ends in Islam so they're inadvertently creating conditions for a new holocaust instead."
Well, the Jews have been at odds with the Euros since Massada, more than 2000 years ago. With the muslims, the problem is Israel. Imagine Israel falls in 2010. What would stop the muslim to befriend the Jew?
I have wondered how a world without Israel would look like and I am incapable to come with anything positive...
Well, the Jews have been at odds with the Euros since Massada, more than 2000 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Massada was one of their last fortresses after Rome decided to destroy Judea.
Massada wasn't the start of anything.. it was the end.
I've heard many theories that the Jews were "above the law", as "untoucables", in America
LOL. Yeah.. we have roving gangs of Jews... running wild in our streets.. they murder and rape with impunity... and we love it!
With the muslims, the problem is Israel. Imagine Israel falls in 2010. What would stop the muslim to befriend the Jew?
Their (the Muslims) hot hot hatred of a thousand suns of the Jews, perhaps?
I have wondered how a world without Israel would look like and I am incapable to come with anything positive
Hmmm. I wonder if you mistyped.
Islam supports a totalitarian global theocratic tyranny.
How anyone with the slightest sense can support that plan is beyond comprehension.
Jew or Gentile, Dutchman or U.S. Congressman.
Islam is a retrograde, misogynistic, anti-freedom, homicidal folly.
Pretending the Koran is something like the Songs of Solomon or the Beautitudes is the delusion of the class of morons who have never bothered to read the damned book.
And who dance toward the Abyss, calling all to join them, and thinking they are heralds of Perfect Peace when they are really the gelded bellwethers of Self-Extinction.
afonso --
well, I've heard many theories that the Jews were "above the law", as "untoucables", in America; I have always disgarded such theories as paranoia, thinking that in America the Jews were just an elite as in Europe. But now I start to realise that the Jews are indeed at another level in America.
If you don't do some reading of primary source American history, aFonso, then you will continue to spout things like this -- incoherent and/or alarming. For heaven's sake, get a grip on reality in the US before you give into the urge to comment on what we are, what we do, and what we think.
The only thing I know about Portugal is vinho verde and your comments have not made me eager to know more.
My granddaughter went to a Jewish pre-school and had an atheist Russian sociology professor for her nanny. She spoke a patois of English, Russian and a little bit of Hebrew. Now that she has passed into kindergarten, the only thing left is a slightly Russian lilt to her speech.
There are Jews at all levels of society here, so this "other level" you speak of is a figment of your perfervid imagination.
Can you talk about anything else but ethnicity? Find a subject you're more conversant with, please.
And if you can't see the "jew-baiting" that Paardestaart remarks on, go look in the mirror.
It has become boring and repetitive and amazingly wrong.
I'll bet you can't tell me when the first Jews arrived here and what kind of reception they got...without having to research it, anyway.
Get a new tune. Pronto.
teacher.paris--
I'm not sure what your point was on your last comment. It appeared to be a quote, but it cut off before you finished.
Even as a quote it passes the boundary of reasonable discourse.
Dear God...
"What the hell are you talking about? Massada was one of their last fortresses after Rome decided to destroy Judea.
Massada wasn't the start of anything.. it was the end."
If I'm right, Massada was indeed their last fortress. It marked an end indeed. But, when a cycle ends, another beguns.
Massada, in my view, marks the start of the European upper hand over the Jews.
It started with Roman control over the Jewish land and people, it continued with the departure of many Jews to Europe, under European rulers, under the European Catholic Church and under all kind of stereotypes and prejudices, it ended with all the propgrams, evictions and the Holocaust. So, I would say that the Jews and the Europeans are not best friends.
At least, I think that is not a proper way to treat your friends.
"Yeah.. we have roving gangs of Jews... running wild in our streets.. they murder and rape with impunity..."
That's why I admire the Jews, they are classy! They would not do something like that, they are at "another level".
Don't you have a "crush on" the Italian gangsters, or the Cowboys? Another level fellow... Just like our beloved tranzi Eurocrats.
"Hmmm. I wonder if you mistyped."
No I didn't. I am with the Jews and I am indeed pro Israel. If you couldn't get that already I would like you to read some of my comments again, I think my English is not that bad for God sake.
Dymphna, with the first quote of mine you have in your comment, it is noticable that I am CRITICISING the fact that whenever some people hear bad words towards the Jews, they start crying Holocaust, Nazi and Anti Semitic. Well, I am tired of it. You know what, if "we" can criticise Bush, the American people, muslims, Europeans, why the hell can't we critisise the Jews? Is that because they are God's chosen ones? Why would the Jews be above critics? They were not the only ones to suffer with the WWII!
"The only thing I know about Portugal is vinho verde and your comments have not made me eager to know more."
Well, I am not here to eagerly promote tourism upon my Country.
You're the one who lose, not me.
"Can you talk about anything else but ethnicity?"
Can't you see that already 95% of the problems we have are due to ethnicity? Were the French who were behind the riots? Why is some neighbourhoods of Denmark in flames? Would ever be a problem in L.A. if the Mexicans were of the same "ethnicity" of the majority of the people (and yes, I mean ethnicity, not race, religion, Nationality, ethnicity) who live there?
You wonder how to stop islam? It's to prevent the "islamic" ethnicities to enter Europe. Afterall, there are many good muslims, the problem is, THERE ARE NOT SPACE FOR THEM in well defined societies such as the European ones were (are?), because those societies are based in ethnicity. There are also many good "ethnics" who suffer with this also.
By the way, and once Americans regard themselves as the last legitimate sons of the European Christendom, wasn't God Himself who punished all the Egyptian ethnicity for the Pharaó's actions? When He freed the Jews from Egypt? There were many innocents who ended up assisting their's first son death due to the simple fact that they were Egyptians.
Because the blog is yours and with respect for you Dymphna, I will try not to adress to ethnicity for a few days.
"And if you can't see the "jew-baiting" that Paardestaart remarks on, go look in the mirror.
It has become boring and repetitive and amazingly wrong."
What has become boring and wrong? Is it to critise the Jews?
Concearning the "Jew-baiting", what did I said? Can't you see that the laws that criminalise those who deny the Holocaust are the very first to undermine the freedom of expression? Can't you see that 60 years after the Second World War, whoever says something about the Jews is regarded as a nazi and antisemitic (at least, as it seems, in America)? Why are the Jews "untouchable" in this regard?
What have I said wrong about the Jews? Please, be fair and coherent, I said:
"Any Jew that goes along with the muslims is, in my view, a traitor to their Nation, to the Jewish Nation and to the State of Israel."
"Even in this blog, one can not speak sarcastically about the Jews or say that the Jews are something more than poor defensless victims without expecting the world to fall in the next moment."
"I admire the Jews. (...) But I don't love the Jews."
"Have you noticed that if you don't love the Jews or if you do see the Jew as different, you are rapidly classified as a Jew hater.
Do I have to be a Jew hater just because I don't love the Jews?"
"If so, why am I not seen as a Chinese hater once I simply don't care about them? Once I don't love the Chinese either?"
" I am starting to equate the Jews in America to our leftist "tranzi" and eurocrat elite in Europe..."
"Well, the Jews have been at odds with the Euros since Massada, more than 2000 years ago. With the muslims, the problem is Israel." (much more recent and superficial in an Historical sense)
"Now I am turning anti anti semitics."
So, what have I said that is so evil and offensive? Well, I have turned indeed Anti-anti-semitics. I now suspect and condemn any one who is always looking forward to label others as anti semitic. And also, those who do not tolerate critics of the Jews.
So, we can critise America, all its dieversity and ethnic groups, except the Jews.
I think you are not treating everybody the same.
Sorry for this (oh so borring) comment, I had to speak my mind.
Alfonso: I clearly misunderstood some of what you wrote earlier. Sorry.
I think our cultural differences also contribute to some of your statements just sounding a bit odd... which isn't your fault. Something I have to work on when I read your comments.
" think our cultural differences also contribute"
Cultural differences? Supposing you to be an American, (of Anglo American culture) I think that the differences that would prevent us to understand eachother are essencially:
The Latin/Anglo way of saying things out.
If that is to be true, I think that it indeed is fault of my bad English. Or so I am afraid.
Afonso, you seem to dislike anyone who isn't white and Christian. While that is certainly your right, it really demonstrates a serious lack of intellect and education. It seems you have a few compatriots within the readership of this blog after reading some of these comments. Your comments about how you "think America" is regarding Jews and your other comments on other topics further demonstrate that you don't require empirical evidence of anything - someone just has to say something that fits your current, skewed belief system and you will believe it to be accurate - because you want it to be accurate.
Suffice it to say there are stupid Jews and de Winter, Soros, Finkelstein, Chomsky are a few of many.
But not all Jews are all anything, Afonso and the rest of the Jewbashers. We are individuals and there isn't a single one of us who is like the next Jew.
What I expected to see happening in the comments section of this post was criticism of a man who thinks he speaks for all Jews and is insanely defending those who would have him dead. He would've been a kapo in Nazi Germany. I didn't expect to see so many nasty comments about Jews in general - I thought the commenters on this blog were more intelligent than that.
I would just like to request an email address for de Winter or his organizations from someone who speaks Dutch so I can email this idiot directly.
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