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Saturday, February 05, 2011
More Photos From Luton
Below are a few more photos that were taken by Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff at today’s demonstration in Luton:
17 comments:
Just 'LERVE" the name of the ffo outlet !!
Ooops...FOOD
I just did a search on Jihad Watch for the entire months of February and January, and there are no postings about the EDL or about Sabaditsch-Wolff. (Only one posting refers obliquely to the EDL -- a video of Douglas Murray defending the EDL from smears, in which Murray also defends Robert Spencer.)
The likeliest explanation for this odd absence is that Spencer has decided that the EDL and possibly also Sabaditsch-Wolff (like Vlaams Belang and Filip Dewinter) are politically radioactive. I.e., Spencer is willing to passively throw the EDL and Sabaditsch-Wolff under the bus in order to spare himself from "contamination" with the unwarranted smears they suffer from.
Hesperado..you couldn't be more wrong if you tried and you should be eating your words
You are a disgrace
Robert Spencer is one of Elizabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff's main financial backers
You will see him here at a conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lILsrhsFZjQ
http://english.savefreespeech.org/?p=98
"Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Voice Their Support"
I did say "and possibly also Sabaditsch-Wolff". There remains the problem of the strange absence on Jihad Watch of any reportage of the numerous EDL events and speeches which other blogs have been covering, and commending. These latest shows of support by Sabaditsch-Wolff of the EDL would also make her persona non grata on Jihad Watch -- if only temporarily. The link you gave me dates back to October of 2010. With Spencer's track record of dropping various people like flies he formerly praised to the skies, who knows where he stands now.
She bravely risks her life and takes the trouble and expense to travel to England to stand up for the EDL, and Jihad Watch doesn't even mention it? Shame on them.
Hesperado..are you for real?
October is only a few months ago.
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are her main financial backers, as it Lt Col Allan West
Jihad Watch is American not English
I forgot this which was posted today by Geller
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/02/in-defense-of-the-edl.html
"In Defense of the EDL"
Shirl --
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are not financial supporters of Elisabeth's defense fund.
They have expressed neither public nor private verbal support (as far as I know) since last fall.
Furthermore, as far as I am aware, there was no coverage whatsoever of the second day of her trial (Jan. 18) on their blogs.
I could be wrong about all of this, and I hope I am. If so, it would make me happy to be corrected, and I will add the relevant links here.
Really??
They made a big deal about it. I read it on a couple of sites. I am off to bed now, I'll see what I can find out tomorrow
Shirl in Oz's link notwithstanding, there still needs to be explained the zero coverage of EDL on Jihad Watch in this past first week of February and the entire month of January (and probably further back too).
Also, the brief little notice on Geller's site which Shirl in Oz linked puts the Douglas Murray video prominently on top (the same video that I already mentioned Spencer put on JW, coincidentally containing a defense of Robert Spencer as well as the EDL), and yet has no mention of Sabatidsch-Wolff. To mention the EDL rally in Luton and fail to mention Sabatidsch-Wolff's participation in it is almost odder than not mentioning the rally at all.
I've really had enough of these anti-Islam bigwigs and their various spats which result in strained relations among them, praise for months followed by frosty silence, petulantly yanking blog links off of blogrolls, pointedly failing to mention where Hugh Fitzgerald's second blog is in a formal "tribute" to him, utter absence of any hat tips or cross-posting of the fine detailed coverage here at GOV on the EDL and other issues all because of some spat Geller and Spencer had with Bodissey and Dymphna some time back; etc., ad nauseam.
That such childish behaviors as these do not have practical effects and impacts on the cohesion and unity of all concerned in the anti-Islam movement is hard to believe. And people like Spencer get away with it because to call attention to the Emperor's non-Clothes is to "damage the anti-jihad cause" and become an enemy. Unbelievable.
This movement direly concerns all of us, and we civilian peons have a right to expect our unofficial leaders of the movement to behave like grown-ups and cooperate notwithstanding their petulant disagreements.
This is all the more reason why the anti-Islam movement needs to become an official organization, with procedures of democratic transparency, so that such impish behaviors are kept to a minimum rather than run rampant as they seem to do now.
As Douglas Murray says, we dont need more Halo Polishers.
Whatever has happened, Robert Spencer, Allen West, the BNP, and Vlaams Belang are all on the right side of the Islam and Muslim Immigration issue.
If I am wrong I apologise, but if what you say is true, what happened in the last two months for them to stop supporting ???
Jihad Watch has a video in support of the EDL given at the "one law for all" conference
I used to correspond with Pamela and I have her personal email address. Later today I will drop her a line and ask.
EscapeVelocity
The BNP is a fascist organisation
Shirl,
...what happened in the last two months for them to stop supporting ???
I wish I could tell you. I'm not quite sure what exactly is going on.
Escape Velocity wrote:
"Whatever has happened, Robert Spencer, Allen West, the BNP, and Vlaams Belang are all on the right side of the Islam and Muslim Immigration issue."
I continue to value Spencer, Geller, and anyone else calling negative attention to various aspects of Islam. That is a separate issue from whether any one of those individuals, or any groups formed to deal with this issue, are to be considered untouchably above any criticisms whatsoever.
In a healthy society, progress grows through a healthy response to criticism, which includes the encouragement of criticism, not its demonization as, e.g., "you are helping the jihadists if you dare criticize Spencer".
I continue to be baffled by so many in the anti-Islam movement who seem childishly afraid of the normal human process of constructive criticism.
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