CP knows that I live in the backwoods of Virginia, so he emailed me to find out if I wanted to meet up with him and some of the Christian Action people. We arranged to have dinner together on the outskirts of Lynchburg, and it has at last been my pleasure to meet the renowned CP and shake his hand. He wouldn’t allow himself to be photographed, so you’ll just have to take my word for it that he’s a real live human being, and not a Homeland Security spy-bot.
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During an enjoyable dinner with CP and several people from Christian Action, there was a lively discussion about Jamaat ul-Fuqra, its activities in various locations, and our respective investigations into the group. CP is the premier pajama-clad sleuth looking into JF, but those Christian Action guys really wear out the shoe leather tracking down and visiting the Muslims of America compounds up and down the East Coast.
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Two members of the group are shown at left, Martin Mawyer (the President, on the left), and Jason Campbell. These fellows have a lot more guts than I do: they’ve been visiting JF compounds all over the place, just driving on in, even when they have to pass a sign that says, “STOP! If you don’t live here, turn around and go back.” Yes, the sign really says that; I saw the photo.They showed us two packages of fascinating photographs, including a large number taken during a recent visit to Jamaat ul-Fuqra locations in Georgia and South Carolina. Jason said that he was thrown out of one compound in Georgia; the JF people told him not to take photos, but he did anyway. Fortunately no one confiscated his camera.
The group paid a visit to the Georgia State Prison near Reidsville, which is a prime recruiting location for Jamaat ul-Fuqra. When the young converts are released from prison, they take up residence in the Commerce compound or one of the other locations in Georgia or South Carolina.
The day before our dinner, Martin and Jason took CP for a ride in the country and drove right on in to the compound in Red House, about which I have posted previously. CP reports that Friday prayers had let out just before his visit, and the people there were quite friendly. I’m sure he’ll be posting on his experience in due course.
Christian Action Network has undertaken an initiative to get the Charlotte County authorities to pull down the “Sheikh Gilani Lane” sign and rename the road at the Red House compound. It is unconscionable that the authorities allow an official county road to be named after an international Islamist whose organization has been listed as a terrorist group by our own State Department.
Martin says that his group has had conversations about the Sheikh Gilani sign with Charlotte County officials, and he is certain that it will be taken down. He has also started a leaflet campaign among local residents; his conversations with them are detailed on the Christian Action website, with a permalinked page here.
I’ll be posting again later on the efforts of the Christian Action Network, as photos become available. Keep your eye on this group; they’re doing important fieldwork in a dangerous field.
24 comments:
Dear Baron,
Wasn't there a skirmish of some kind at Lynchburg about 150 years ago? I can't imagine that either the confederates or the Union army's of America would have taken too kindly to this kind of Sh!t and would certainly have taken a time out, to at least repaint the roadsigns, or at least hang one of the perpetrators from it. Couldn't you by the way start a competition for a new name, “Bodissey Boulevard” has a nice ring to it
Sorry, but substitution of one religion for the other does not exactly inspire confidence, to be polite.
Let the religious battle it out for their Gods and leave us atheists in peace.
"Let the religious battle it out for their Gods and leave us atheists in peace."
That would be a fine sentiment if athiests had no stake in the outcome. Unfortunately for athiests, the outcome of the struggle between Islam and Christianity (or, more generally, the Christian West) will directly impact athiests. Atheism is a crime under Islamic Shariah law.
What us'uns need is our own "non-state actors"...heh, heh...let's us git up a posse or two.
Looky, Mr. Fabian Pascal, as an Atheist, jes' thaink: them pestiferous Christians ain't likely ter do more'n moralize wif ya'...but the Muslims, sir, why...they's gonna bury yore hind side up ter yore neck in sand and take target practice, or whack off yore haid fer fornication, and set fire to yore places of pleasure...youse best throw in wif' the Christians, since ain't goin' ter be no mid-ground--Islam believes in world conquest.
Probably.
But there are enough christians and orthodox jews who would impose their god delusion on anybody and everybody 'if they just could'.
Thing is, I don't trust enybody who suspends judgment. And that's what one MUST to do to believe in ANY god. I don't want to rely on their good will to leave me alone, not to mention little children.
But more to the point, i know of nothing positive that religion contributes. Any positives can be readily done without the fear of somebody in the sky. And, in fact, doing anything out of fear does not count.
Great post, as a Christian I agree with the post.
to the last comment:
Christians don't share their belief system to shove it down people's throats, but because they feel they have good news and it must be passed on.
Alright Fabian, have it your way. Be advised, however, Islam doesn't agree with your premise of live and let live. No modern Christian ever recommended cutting off your head for disassociation; see if the Umma sees it that way. The ARE the Borg, my friend.
To add my voice to the choir, whilst there are certainly a lot of christians who would try and impose all sorts of things if the could just get in to power, the way they go about trying to get in to power is the same way anyone else with delusons of grandeur does in a democratic society: they run for office. And they rarely make it.
As an atheist, you would have been safer in a christian society at any point in the ast 2000 years than you would be anywhere else. The christian church saw atheists as potential converts, or at the very least as misguided souls in need of a bit of comfort. They weren't considered heretical, unlike the cathars or other groups. They were engaged at a philosophical level, and they still are. Until recently the worst you might have got for being an atheist was excommunication. Oh dear. No sacramental bread for you!
This interests me:
Thing is, I don't trust enybody who suspends judgment.
Everyon suspends judgement all the time. Ever been to see a movie? It requires less faith to believe in God than it does to believe Brad Pitt is really Achilles... especialy with that acting. At least in my mind. ;)
Besides, being a christian doesn't require suspension of judgement, to use your phrase. God can be rationally deduced from nature, which is something christianity has spent a great deal of the last two millenia doing.
The point of all this is, you an't sit on the sidelines. Remember, they're coming for everyone, and if they manage to do away with the christians and the jews, guess who's next...
Incidentaly, in a previous post, fabian, you posted a link to an announcement of a ceasefire between Israel and palestinians. I'm impressed. Normally the palis can go a whole day without breaking one. 5 or so hours has to be a new record... I wonder, will it be seen as a turning point in how people view the conflict or will it be spun in to the same old lies again? Even the BBC has noticed...
One final thing I missed. Christians don't do things out of fear, or at least they should. The modern meaning of the word "fear" rather inteferes with translations based on the older meaning of the word, which was often used as a cognate of what we now call "respect", but in a much deeper and more profound sense than the word respect implies. It would almost be "awe". It was reverence and honour, and the prodund trust that stems from having those feelings about someone. I don't fear god in the modern sense of the word. I'm not afraid of him, any more than I'm afraid of my own father.
As an atheist I encourage Christians to act cooperatively to fight the unique evil of the Muslim Conquistadores. Christianity is as far superior to Islamism as life is to death.
You have to really try to be as depraved and brutish as the Iranians, Syrians, madrassas movement, Taliban, Wahabis, Sadrists, and the rest of the primitive swine.
I urge all those who seem to trust christians, particularly of the catholic flavor, to look into the history of the church. Have you ever heard of the inquisition? And read HITLER'S POPE.
As to the more recent history, ask the abused kids about trust, particularly of those darn cardinals who protected and transferred the abusers. And watch the jesus camp movie.
Regarding the cease-fire, my point was that the reason the terror groupsasked for it was that the int'l boycott and the IDF operations were effective. But neither the europeans neither the current failure of a govt in israel realize the contempt in which islao-fascists hold any compromise, and the degree to which it invites for further attacks to the death. So they cracked, allowing them to regroup, fortify and attack later from a better position (a la Hezbollah).
There were several warnings by the israeli security services that gaza is turning into another lebanon and the west bank is next. But the political system is in disarray and obsessed with its own survival, not the nation's.
And the euros belabor under the illusion that if they sacrifice the jews, they'll save themselves.
I recommend Mark Steyn's AMERICA ALONE and his interview on its site regarding the end of europe from within.
Oh good grief, people always bring up the inquisition when they're losing the argument. You know what? It happened! People died! It was a stupid, stupid moment of history and it's something that all of christianity has regretted ever since.
Further, the truly violent inquisition was limited to spain and was directed by one man. Throughout the rest of christendom the inquisition was limited to asking questions and maybe locking people in prison or excommunicating them until they confessed the faith, as it were. I suppose youcould call that a forced conversion, but most people faced with that simply didn't bother. They just moved, or lied. In spain it became something different because of that one man who held a great deal of power, who wanted more of it and who was willing to abandon the core teachings of christanity in order to get it.
Despite his best efforts fewer people died over the entire length of the inquisition than died in a single year of Stalins purges, or Pol Pot's mass murder, or Mao's various Great Leaps. All of these had one thing in common: they were atheists. They were releaived of the moral shackles of religion and it showed. So don't preach to me about who did the most murder, mister atheist man. My religion saved millions from the mass salughter of your atheist compatriots.
What, you don't like being grouped with mass-murdering scum?
I suppose thats ironic...
Archonix, fabian is not an atheist, he's an anti-theist.
And he knows the dealio with Islam; he's just trying to make some equivalance between Islam and Religion.
Last time I looked Islam WAS a religion. Has that changed?
Anyway, for various reasons I find this predicted future:
Mark Steyn Interview
more persuasive than this future:
The 'Eurabia' Myth
one reason being that the islamo-fascists won't be as easy to deal with as the jews.
But there's no question that Peters is right about the PAST which, if memory does not fail me, is christian.
That strikes me as equivalent enough.
The "theists" very comfortably forget their inconvenient past, but only their own, not that of other religions. And the past has a strange knack of dooming those who forget it to relive it. They just won't accept that their god is just as bad a delusion as all other gods.
If I recall correctly, there was a period in islam when it was quite tolerant and progressive. The problem is that this cannot be guaranteed for any religion.
Another good book to read about equivalence:
CONSTANTINE'S SWORD
Pls demonstrate that Stalin or Pol Pot or anybody else killed in the name of atheism. Was atheism the value system that drove those acts?
Can you say the same thing about religion? I gave other current examples, but they were conveniently ignored.
Oy . . .
fabian stated "one reason being that the islamo-fascists won't be as easy to deal with as the jews."
. . .that tells me a lot about Fabian.
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About jamaat ul fuqra - Did any of you catch this article?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley/Patrick28.htm
US ISLAMIC TERROR NETWORK PROTECTED BY US GOV'T. AGENCIES
Patrick Briley
July 29, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
Another person to add to the list of names associated with the Middle Eastern terror connection to the OKC bombing is Terry Lenzner, president of IGI, close to the CIA, a close associate of Hillary and Bill Clinton as well as a friend of the Pentagon terror advisor in 1995, Jesse Clear. Lenzner contacted KFORTV reporter Jayna Davis by letter in 1995 and offered his services to investigate the Middle East terror connection. Lenzner and Clear investigated the Middle Eastern terror connection to OKC and found evidence to support their suspicions.
However, Lenzner also worked for Tulsa OK company Hawkins oil who employed Mujeeb Cheema, a Paksitani Muslim tied to the terror group AlFuqra, the Paksitani ISI, and is a director of the Wabbabist North American Islamic Trust. Cheema is strongly suspected in the Middle Eastern terror connection to OKC and NAIT operates all the mosques in the US that have been identified with the 1993 WTC and the OKC bombings and the 9/11 hijackers stretching from the East coast to California. A relative, Fazil Cheema was the Pakistani roommate of the 2005 OU bomber Joel Hinrichs.
Mujeeb Cheema is on the list of witnesses that should be called in Congressman Rohrabacher’s September hearing on the OKC bombing along with Terry Lenzner. Cheema appears to be connected with 9/11 hijacker AlGhamdi who attended the Spartan flight school in Tulsa.
Rohrabacher’s OKC bombing hearings should fully explore the terror activities of AlFuqra in the US and why AlFuqra has intentionally been kept off the US State Department Terror list. Secretary of State Condi Rice and FBI Director Mueller should be called and asked about this.
The FBI and Steve Emerson have recently claimed that the FBI is on top of Hezbollah operations in the US. It is a hollow claim because the FBI continues to do nothing to stop Hezbollah’s protected helper in the US, AlFuqra.
AlFuqra headquartered in Pakistan is working closely with AlQaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah around the world and inside the US. AlFuqra, like AlQaeda, is based in Pakistan and its leader is Sheik Jilani. Reporter Danny reporter was trying to track down Jilani and his close associate, Khalid Sheik Mohmmed (KSM) in Pakistan when Pearl was beheaded. KSM sent hijacker wannabe to live with Melvin Lattimore while Moussaoui attended the Norman, OK flight school.
Yet AlFuqra has been kept off the official US terror watch list for over 20 years even though AlFuqra has been involved in serious terror attacks, has thousands of members and scores of terror training centers in the US. See list of recent AlFuqra terror involvement at end of this article.
Why does Jilani get a free ride with US law enforcement and Congressional committees?
***AlFuqra is part of the OK Terror network that includes Hezbollah, and has been for over 16 years***
Congressmen Rohrabacher and Saxton knew from their director, Joseph Bodansky ( House Task Force on Terrorism -1995) of the AlFuqra terror connection via Lattimore (Menepta) ties to McVeigh in OKC (Travelers Aid) and at an AlFurqra training center at Talahini OK near the white supremacist compound Elohim City, called and visited by McVeigh to see the German national Andreas Strassmeyer. AlFuqra, like AlQaeda, is based in Pakistan ant its leader is Sheik Jilani.
Joseph Bodansky had identified in his book "Terrorism," that AlFuqra operations (pages 148-165) in the US has been known to the FBI, CIA for over twenty years and that AlFuqra has worked with AlQaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas on terror attacks in the US including the OKC bombing. Dana Rohrabacher and James Saxton have known about AlFuqra in the US for years and have done nothing to pressure law enforcement to dry up AlFuqra in the US. AlFuqra was directly involved in the 1993 WTC and 1995 OKC bombings and the 9/11 attacks. yet AlFuqra is NOT on the US state Department terror list. Rohrabacher and Saxton should be asked why they have not pressed to put AlFuqra on the terror list..
Here are some very recent examples of Al-Fuqra's violent history in the US:
John Muhammed, the Beltway sniper had direct ties to Al-Fuqra.
Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, who used TATP, had direct ties to Al-Fuqra
Joel Hinrichs, the OU bomber who used TATP, had direct contacts to Al-Fuqra members in OU's and OKC's mosques as well in Colorado Springs.
Menepta (Melvin Lattimore) involved directly in the 1993 WTC and OKC bombings as well as the 9/11 attacks is an AlFuqra member.
Sean Gillespie from Tacoma Washington came to an OKC Jewish Center and fire bombed it around 2003. He is another example of a disaffected (feels disenfranchised) white supremacist skinhead "lilly white" likely used by Islamic extremists like AlFuqra in Tacoma to carry out attacks in OKC as they did in the 1995 OKC bombing. Nichols and McVeigh met up with Lattimore and they were considered as lilly whites ( McVeigh went to a Christian Identity compound -Elohim CIty- of white supremacists even though he had worked with blacks before) who worked with the Black Muslims Lattimore (Menepta) and Joe Cecil!
AlFuqra has had a violent past in Tacoma Washington before Sean Gillespie fire bombed the OKC Jewish Center.
AlFuqra and AlQaeda will recruit and exploit any people who feel disenfranchised (with a grievance) to carry out US terror attacks-every one from Blacks, white supremacists, illegal immigrants (from any country, not just Mexico), native American Indians, inmates, etc. This in fact did happen in the OKC bombing case. The Chinese, North Koran and Russian communists are giving AlQaeda and ul-Fuqra guidance on how to use these disgruntled people for their purposes to attack and weaken America.
Excerpts from "Oklahoma Terror network to Hezbollah in US Attacks?"
Members of this network were directly involved in the 1993 WTC bombing, OKC bombing and the 9/11 attacks. Some of its more publicly known participants are black Muslim Melvin Lattimore, Mujeeb Cheema, Samir Khalil, Mr. G, Dr. H, AdulQader and Suhaib Webb.
The head of Syrian Islamic Jihad (now in Lebanon with Hezbollah) Ramadan Sallah was involved with this OKC network and a Syrian OKC attorney Mrs V. An OKC mosque was raided by Fed authorities on March 13, 1995 in a search for Sallah and others associated with Sammy AlArian’s group at WISE at University of Southern Florida. The FBI used agent Kerry Myers to track this group in Florida with Israeli and US dual agent William Northrup for over 13 years.
Hamas leader Meshal was also directly connected with this OK network until going to Syria like Sallah to be protected and work with Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. Mesahl is now in Egypt with Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Close monitoring of Meshal's and Sallah's activities in Egypt and Lebanon is needed especially if they attempt to make contact with Mrs V and other members of the OK network to help Hezbollah carry out attacks in the US and OK.
Abdulqader was Hamas' top fundraiser in Oklahoma and associated directly with HolyLand foundation and the OK terror network. He has been indicted but is working in Texas on highway designs. GW Bush and his Saudi friends and attorneys (Akin and Gump) were directly involved at HolyLand Foundation in Richardson Texas with Khalid Mahfouz, Dr. H (lives in Ok), AbdulQader, Idris, Alamoudi, AlArian, etc. Bush has used the DOJ and FBI to directly cover up this involvement.
New Information.:
Abdulqater, Meshall and Sallah all were assisted in OK by the AlFuqra terror group and Melvin Lattimore to help in the 1993 WTC and OKC bombings and the 9/11 attacks.
Abdulqader (Hamas, HolyLand Foundation) and Meshall are brothers and both have been and are close to Ramadan Sallah. Sallah and Meshall were protected by Syria after leaving OK and the US after the OKC bombing. Sallah was head of Islamic Jihad and both Sallah and Meshall are working to help Hezbollah and Hamas. Sallah was the target of a raid at an OKC mosque March 13, 1995 known about by OK Congressman Ernest Istook and associated with the OKC bombing and Sammi AlArians group at the University of Southern Florida tracked by the FBI a (agent Kerry Myers) and dual US, Israeli intelligence asset William Northrup.
Abdulqater, Meshall and Sallah all were assisted in OK by the AlFuqra terror group and Melvin Lattimore to help in the 1993 WTC and OKC bombings and the 9/11 attacks.
ANY DOUBTS ABOUT ALFUQRA BEING PROTECTED?
Taken Questions
Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
January 31, 2002
Question Taken at Daily Press Briefing of January 31
Jamaat ul-Fuqra [AlFuqra] Designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization?
Question: The group headed by Shaykh Gilani used to be designated by the State Department as a terrorist group but it was taken off the list. Why?
Answer: Jamaat ul-Fuqra has never been designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. It was included in several recent annual terrorism reports under "other terrorist groups," i.e., groups that had carried out acts of terrorism but that were not formally designated by the Secretary of State. However, because of the group's inactivity during 2000, it was not included in the most recent terrorism report covering that calendar year.
© 2006 Patrick Briley
Patrick Briley is a Navy Viet Nam era veteran who served on a Polaris ballistic missile nuclear submarine patrol in the Pacific. His Polaris submarine patrol in far East Asia near China was historically significant and exceptionally dangerous.
His Naval service was from 1968 to 1976 during the Viet Nam era. He was a battalion commander of his Naval ROTC unit and a Midshipman on board the ballistic missile submarine, SSBN 624, the Woodrow Wilson. He was chosen to serve under Admiral Rickover as a project engineer at Naval Reactors near Washington DC. Patrick Briley started research and investigation into terrorist attacks after the Oklahoma City bombing.
Patrick submitted his findings concerning the OKC bombing and the 9-11 attacks in briefings to high-level staff for the Senate Judiciary and Senate and House Intelligence committees, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, and the 9-11 Commission.
Pascal, Secular socialist and marxist aetheist governments murdered more of their own citizens last century than all of the inquisitions, crusades, and witch hunts in history combined. This doesn't even count the ones killed in the countless wars they started. Here's a reference to start with.
Fabian says:
"Pls demonstrate that Stalin or Pol Pot or anybody else killed in the name of atheism. Was atheism the value system that drove those acts?"
"Atheism" is kind of a negative value system, depending on how it's defined, so it is impossible to say these monsters were "driven" by atheism per se. HOWEVER, they most definitely promoted systems which made the state the supreme authority - over God and over any individual act of conscience. Atheism is essential to the totalitarian scheme for the simple reason that it can't tolerate any competing truth claims. That is not to say all atheists are totalitarian - clearly they are not - many are conservative, liberal or libertarian. However, all true totalitarians are atheists.
The standard claim that "more people have died in the name of religion..." However often it has been repeated, is bunk.
"I don't want to rely on their good will to leave me alone, not to mention little children."
Now that is the sort of rationale that accompanies and excuses mass slaughter and tyranny. Unless you share a healthy mistrust of "princes" as the Bible puts it somewhere.
Oy . . .
fabian stated "one reason being that the islamo-fascists won't be as easy to deal with as the jews."
. . .that tells me a lot about Fabian.
I don't think that's quite fair. It's obvious from teh context that Fabian was trying to point out that Islam is violent and offensive and merely adopting the cloak of victimhood for personal gain, whereas the jews were passive and genuine victims of genocide. Or something like that. The point is, I don't believe it says what you think and it's not fair to comdemn fabian for being something he isn't.
fabian pascal said "read HITLER'S POPE."
Sorry, but that book is full of lies and distortions.
"Nothing personal, but by definition atheists have no role in the impending struggle between the West and Islam. Atheists are irrelevant."
Nothing personal, but don't you have any knowledge of Western intellectual history, or even current events?
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