The elite opinion makers in Europe’s governing class (the same folks who gave you the 485-page EU constitution and all the regulations concerning the opacity of cheese) are not happy with the citizenry of what used to be the nations of Europe. The masses are apprehensive at the possibility of Turkey joining the EU, and the
Austrian public opinion is being particularly intransigent. The positive response of the Austrian people has yet to exceed 10%, making them the most serious obstacle so far to Turkey’s acceptance into the EU.
After all, the Austrians had a nasty little encounter with the Turks in 1683 (among others) at the Gates of Vienna, and they have long memories.
But the elite governing class of the EU is having trouble coming to terms with the recalcitrance of the people who should be accepting the guidance of their betters. According to a BBC article, Why Austria is the sticking point,
Professor Anton Pelinka of Innsbruck University told the BBC News website that both the Austrian government and Austrian public opinion had been hardening against the idea of Turkish membership in recent months. | |
“It’s a lot to do with xenophobia,” he said. | |
“As in other EU states, discussion of EU matters has been very much confined to the political elite. Now this has suddenly become a broader debate and people who are not interested in European affairs fear that it will mean foreigners coming to Austria, and not even Christians — of course there is a bit of Islamophobia in it.” |
The article goes on:
Public opinion had been influenced by a campaign in the mass-market tabloid Neue Kronenzeitung, he said, while the governing People’s Party was feeling vulnerable after doing badly in regional elections. |
But never mind that for now. There’s more:
The opposition Socialists and far-right party of Joerg Haider are both against the idea of membership talks with Turkey. |
Not everyone agrees that historical memory plays a part in public disaffection:
Mr Pelinka rejected the idea that the two sieges of Vienna by the Ottoman army in 1529 and 1683 played a significant role. | |
He pointed out that Napoleon had conquered the country far more recently. |
Michael Emerson, a senior research fellow at the Centre for European Policy Studies in Brussels, said… “Austria is really a front for France and Germany… Both are in a complicated political situation and public opinion in both countries is 70% to 30% against Turkish membership.” |
Fjordman is also posting on this topic with good information and more links.
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Austria has caved in, an agreement has been reached, it would appear.
Jack Straw predictably said that the EU needed Turkey and it is to the greater benefit of the EU if Turkey Joins.
Do we really need millions of unskilled people flooding into Europe-no- but it will happen
No one has anything to fear from Muslims, just ask Salman Rushdie.
Hey, just ask Piglet.
Uh, maybe I ought to provide a link for anyone who isn't aware of what I am referring to:
http://cuanas.blogspot.com/2005/10/oh-duh-duh-dear-piglet-banned-in.html
Pastorius --
Yes, indeed, that Piglet meme isfloating around. We heard about it from the Adventuress a little while ago.
Dymphna is probably going to blog on it soon. But first -- Hamas women!
a4g -- are you sure you're not talking about Stephen Leacock?
Its pretty simple isn't it? You're either openly willing to watch the fabric of your society be negatively altered by multi-culturalism....or you're a racist.
Its amusing at times to watch politicians make up phony excuses to disguise the racist wishes of their constituents. And its irritating to watch politicians ignore the wishes of their constituents just so they don't appear racists themselves.
I don't know why it is that European politicians cant openly admit that they don't want any Islamists in their little club, the Turkish politicians would not face any domestic backlash if they publicly announced their pro-Islam agenda.
Its gonna be difficult to draft a document that papers over the fact that the members to the two cultures despise each other. Its gonna be hard to bury the truth if the people are allowed to vote on it.
The Austrians may remember the gates of Vienna, but the entire continent seems to have forgotten Constantinople.
Ah, but Redneck, you forgot the song:
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks
I've never managed to call Constantinople Istambul. But then I still refer to Saigon. To the despair of my teachers, I never in my life called St. Petersburg anything else, (certainly not the name of that butcher).
Never thought of Chemmitz or Guben as anything other than those names, and I still think of the places in question as Breslau, Bromberg, Posen, Liegnitz, Lemberg, Pressburg, Salisbury, Kiev, etc., and I shall probably always call Pretoria by that name.
Probably the benefit/handicap of an interest in 19th Century military history, as well as a certain amount of cantankerousness. Certainly can't blame age, many of these places got other names long before I was born.
I'm not even consistent. I think of Stalingrad as Stalingrad, not to honor the bigger butcher, but because of the Russians and others who turned back the Nazis.
Jefe, don’t forget Königsburg. The Soviets deported all the Germans from it, both Junkers (if there were any left) and the peasants, and then it became Kaliningrad.
And how about Yekaterinburg (sp)? Boris Yeltsin was party boss there, but I can’t even remember the Soviet name now — was it Sverdlovsk? Or something else? It’s the place where the czar’s children were murdered and thrown down a well, I think.
Jefe, an additional thought re: name changes. In my part of the world (central/southern Virginia) there are a lot of streets, buildings, etc., named for prominent figures on the losing side in the Recent Unpleasantness. The forces of PC are slowly getting the names changed and the portraits taken down, and heroes of the South are gradually being replaced -- Mumia abu-Jamal Elemementary School, Malcolm X Boulevard, etc.
I understand why it has to happen, but it still makes me sad.
Have not forgotten poor Konigsberg, or Pillau, or the poor Pregel River, or a zillion other places, much less Tannenburg (and my ancestors are more English and Irish than German). I blame the awful Nazis for all that more than anybody else, even the Communists, although I don't like them even one little bit.
They're doing a little bit of the political correctness re-naming of Confederate monuments, schools, etc. down here. I suppose that's the in some ways cursed times we live in. Why, there are weirdos in Britain who want to do away with St. George's Day.
Three cheers for the Gates of Vienna! A blog after my own heart. You, folks, are on my blogroll pronto...
Ted Laskaris
http://phylax.blogs.com
giant squid --
Maybe because the Hungarians are the descendants of Attila...?
Curious about the Hungarian support for the Turks. After all, it was most of Hungary that was actually occupied for some time by the Turks.
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