In my introduction to Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff’s thoughts about her upcoming trial, I mentioned a number of people who have been threatened with charges, charged, arrest, tried, or convicted because of their writings or artwork about Islam. In addition to Elisabeth, I listed all the other officially persecuted Islam-critics in the “free” world whose names I could remember off the top of my head:
| Tomashot: | A Finnish blogger, who was convicted and fined under “hate speech” laws for his writings about Muslims. |
| Jussi Halla-aho: | A Finnish writer and Helsinki city councilman who was convicted and fined for a similar offense. |
| Dahn Pettersson: | A local politician in Sweden who was convicted and fined for saying that the vast majority of heroin trafficking in Northern Europe was controlled by Muslims from Kosovo. |
| Gregorius Nekschot: | A Dutch cartoonist who was threatened with a criminal charge and public exposure for his “insulting” cartoons depicting Muslims and immigrants. |
| Paul Belien: | The Flemish author and blogger who was summoned to the police station more than once for his writings about immigrants. |
| Bart Debie: | A member of Vlaams Belang who was convicted and sentenced to house arrest for a “racist” brochure created by his subordinates when he was a police officer. |
| Geert Wilders: | The leader of the PVV, who needs no introduction here. He has been (mis)tried previously in Amsterdam, and will go on trial again on February 7th. |
| Jesper Langballe: | A Dane who pleaded guilty last month to a “hate speech” charge. |
| Lars Hedegaard: | A Danish writer and historian who is accused of “racism” for describing the overwhelming incidence of family rape among Muslim immigrants in Denmark. He goes on trial January 24. |
| Tommy Robinson: | The EDL leader who faces a Section Four charge for a “religiously aggravated” public order offense. |
| Guramit Singh: | The EDL spokesman, who faces similar charges. |
| Mark Steyn: | The Canadian writer who was brought before a Human Rights Commission for his writings about Islam. |
| Ezra Levant: | The Canadian publisher who was also brought up on a HRC charge, in this case for publishing the Mohammed Cartoons in his magazine. |
Those were all the persecuted people I could remember without doing any research. I know there are many others, and a reader chided me for leaving out Nick Griffin, the BNP leader — I wasn’t aware that he had been brought up on charges.
I do know, however, that there are at least two other persecuted dissidents in Finland, one in Sweden, one in Denmark, one in France, one in Belgium, and God knows how many more in the UK. There may be others in Germany, Ireland, Switzerland, etc., for all I know.
All the discussion in the comments has prompted me to start another project: The Roster of the Silenced.
There are far too many persecuted dissidents now for me to remember or keep track of. As a result, I’m calling on the distributed intelligence of our readers: please send me examples of people have experienced oppression under the legal systems of Western countries for their stated opinions about Islam.
We’ll need well-defined criteria for inclusion in the roster. In order to be considered Silenced, the victim must have been:
| 1. | Arrested | |
| 2. | Charged | |
| 3. | Convicted | |
| 4. | Notified of a possible charge | |
| 5. | Subject to state administrative action, such as the denial or cancellation of a business license | |
| 6. | Or some combination of #1 through #5 |
The charge(s) must have been for:
| 1. | “Incitement to racial or religious hatred” | |
| 2. | A “racially or religiously aggravated public order offence” | |
| 3. | “Insulting a religion” | |
| 4. | “Incitement against an ethnic group” (hets mot folkgrupp in Sweden and Finland) | |
| 5. | Or another similarly-worded “hate speech” charge |
The charge(s) must have been laid in response to one or more of the following actions:
| 1. | Making statements (in print, or verbally in person, on radio, on television, or on the internet) | |
| 2. | Writing fiction | |
| 3. | Creating images | |
| 4. | Making films | |
| 5. | Symbolic public actions, such as burning a Koran or displaying a Mohammed cartoon on a sign |
The cited actions must have concerned:
| 1. | Islam | |
| 2. | Muslims | |
| 3. | The Koran or other Islamic scripture | |
| 4. | Mohammed | |
| 5. | The religious practices of Muslims | |
| 6. | Or some combination of #1 through #6 |
These events must have occurred in one of the Western democracies, which may be said to include:
| 1. | All members of the European Union, plus Switzerland, Norway, and Iceland | |
| 2. | Canada | |
| 3. | The United States | |
| 4. | Australia | |
| 5. | New Zealand |
Or, in full:
| Australia | Germany | New Zealand |
| Austria | Greece | Norway |
| Belgium | Hungary | Poland |
| Bulgaria | Iceland | Portugal |
| Canada | Ireland | Romania |
| Cyprus | Italy | Slovakia |
| Czech Republic | Latvia | Slovenia |
| Denmark | Lithuania | Spain |
| Estonia | Luxembourg | Sweden |
| Finland | Malta | Switzerland |
| France | Netherlands | UK |
| USA |
To make this project work, I need readers to stay within the above criteria, otherwise the list will become unmanageably large. As it is, I suspect there may well be more than a hundred names on it before we are done.
I’ll store the information in a database and create new versions of the roster from time to time. If possible, I would like to include:
- Name of the silenced person
- Country
- Date of the “offense”, charge, or conviction
- Description of the offense, including a citation of the relevant statute if necessary
- A brief anecdotal account to add context
The result will be the equivalent of the roster of names on a war memorial. Although none of them has died for the cause (yet), these heroes may nonetheless be considered martyred by the dhimmified legal systems in our countries. And I mean the proper sort of martyr, namely someone who sacrifices himself for the good of his comrades or his country, and not the baby-murdering shahids of Islam.
Call them Counter-Shahids.
If you know of any potential names for the list, please send them to gatesofvienna (at) chromatism (dot) net.
This is yet another group effort: The Roster of the Silenced.
32 comments:
It would be very useful is someone more knowledgable than me, made a list of these persecuted and prosecuted peoples. With a short description of each one.
So that it can easily be pointed too, out there in the ether, when trying to spread the word.
Any takers?
Well, there are the "Two Dannys" from Oz.
Pastors Danny Scot and Daniel Nalliah from the Catch the Fires Ministry here in Melbournistan.
They were found guilty of quoting the quran in a manner that made people laugh.
Salt Shakers has an outline of the case.
Andrew Bolt hasn't been charged with upsetting muslims, but he has been charged with upsetting and hurting the feelings of aborigines, so if there's an honorary category, I'm happy to put him up for it.
He's charged under the Racial Hatred Act of all things. Yes, we have one of those here.
I hadn't heard about 'the two Dannys' so thanks for that link. That's quite a story.
Does the name Kåre Bluitgen ring a bell? It should. Her book, 'A life of Mohammed for Children' launched the search for Mohammed cartoons which, well, we all know what happened then.
Her book was banned from many Danish school libraries. The reason? “It is not because of the Mohammed controversy, or that we want to exercise censorship, but it is a very violent book.” GoV link
Though Kåre Bluitgen and her book wasn't addressed through the Danish courts, her work was, nonetheless, silenced.
Perhaps her name could/should be added to the list under the category of "censorship" or "censorship-dhimmitude?
That list would be a bit longer:
2009 incidents posted at Creeping Sharia includes some familiar names:
Geert Wilders, Nonie Darwish, Robert Spencer, Douglas Murray, Ehud Olmert, David Horowitz, Michael Savage,& Rachel Ehrenfeld.
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Also, the book "The Downfall of the Netherlands, Land of the Naive Fools" by Mohammed Rasoel was banned in the Netherlands. Even the archived links I had on file for this text appear to be no longer working. However, a blogger at "Reconquista" with the nic "Sir Henry Morgan" posted some excerpts here
In hoc signo vinces
"Experience with the race and religion statutory aggravations in Scotland has shown these to be effective. There are more than 4000 reports to the procurators fiscal of racially aggravated offences, and around 700 of religious prejudice aggravated offences, per year. Most are proceeded against in court, and conviction rates are high." -Source
I nominate the indigenous peoples of Scotland.
Islam... the silence of the grave.
What was the name of that feminist in Norway that was brutally assaulted for speaking out against female sexual assault by Muslim immigrants?
Baron Bodissey,
I think your six criteria --
In order to be considered Silenced, the victim must have been:
1. Arrested
2. Charged
3. Convicted
4. Notified of a possible charge
5. Subject to state administrative action, such as the denial or cancellation of a business license
6. Or some combination of #1 through #5
-- need to be widened to include that class of people whose lives and free expression have been affected in ways that have a de facto effect comparable to those against whom the state has acted, even though the state has not actually taken any official actions. In such cases, the state often is remiss and therefore guilty of not sufficiently protecting the victim, but would not have been actively victimizing him.
Thus, Robert Redeker, the French teacher who had to go into hiding for fear that Muslims would kill him and/or his family, and had to move and give up his job and whose life was effectively ruined, is an example.
The de facto effects caused by the synergy between Muslim violence/threats, and a given Western nation's PC MC pusillanimity with regard to protecting its citizenry from that Muslim violence/threats, leads to a situation where Robert Redeker might as well be silenced by the state, even though the state did not silence him de jure.
Another example of this type of victim would be the cartoonist Molly Norris from Seattle, who had to give up her job and go into hiding (and pay for it herself, not given the financial and other support which the state grants those under the Witness Protection program).
Then there are innumerable others who simply out of fear of what Muslims might do, censor themselves and their enterprises and, if they are in positions of authority, those who work under them (the behavior of various publishing firms and book stores involved in the romance novel about Mohammed and Aisha, The Jewel of Medina back in 2008, is an example).
Nilk mentions the "two Dannys" of Australia (one of whom was a Pakistani Christian immigrant to Australia, the other a Sri Lankan immigrant to Australia).
What made their case particularly amusing was one moment during the trial:
When during the trial Scot began to read Qur’anic verses that discriminate against women, a lawyer for the Islamic Council of Victoria, the organization that brought the suit, stopped him: reading the verses aloud, she said, would in itself be religious vilification. Dismayed, Scot replied: “How can it be vilifying to Muslims in the room when I am just reading from the Qur’an?”
(Source)
Hesperado --
You say that my “six criteria… need to be widened to include” victims of lawfare, people who have been threatened or mau-maued, those who self-censor out of fear of violence, etc.
I could not agree more. My criteria do indeed “need” to be widened.
However, as I explicitly stated in my introduction to this post, my criteria were established to narrow the pool of potential victims to be considered for the list, and thus to constrain its magnitude within manageable limits.
In point of fact, if the list were to be widened as “needed”, I would be the person responsible for the additional labor required to execute the expanded workload. I am absolutely certain that the numbers of people who would thus become eligible for inclusion under the new criteria would run into the thousands. The resulting job would involve more time and effort than I could possibly muster.
In other words: I established the given constraints so that the labor generated by the task might conceivably lie within the range of what I could actually achieve.
Therefore, I suggest that you create the widened list yourself and post it at Lemonade, updating it as required. Perhaps you can find volunteers who will help you with the research, writing, HTML formatting, and posting, so that the job will not be yours alone.
It’s a good idea, and I agree that it is needed. But to the perceiver of the “need” belongs the responsibility for fulfilling it.
One of the maxims used in the leadership group of the Counterjihad Collective is: “He who thinks of the idea has volunteered to be the Project Manager for it.”
In other words: “Go for it!”
Theo van Gogh has been silenced.
Permanently.
Profitsbeard he probably bayed at the moon, that may be why their symbol is a crescent moon.
Baron Bodissey,
Everything you said makes sense -- though about one opinion in particular I disagree: namely, that the number of the type of victim I was mainly describing is so large as to be unmanageable. As long as one would limit oneself to specific individuals with names (Robert Redeker, Molly Norris) who have made the news rather than a vaguer subpopulation (e.g., various book stores that succumb to this, that or the other Muslim intimidation, or a meat plant that kowtows to demands by its minority of Muslim employees), I don't think you'd find yourself having to add on more than a dozen or two names at most.
At any rate, should you decide to proceed as planned and not add that extra category, I might well do as you suggested at my own little lemonade stand.
Ah, but Hesperado -- you have evidently never undertaken this sort of public project!
The reason I use criteria is to make the selection of dissidents for the list relatively objective and unbiased.
The first thing that would happen if I were to pick and choose for the candidates is that I would be bombarded with criticism that I had "left out" so-and-so, with demands that I include John Doe and Jane Smith, and with accusations that I am playing favorites. My inbox would be stuffed!
In fact, if I employed this method, I'm sure that you would be among the first to point out an important person who arguably should have been included, but was not on the list.
Therefore I won't do it.
I look forward to seeing your roster. I promise not to carp about those whom I wanted to see on the list, but who were left out.
An article about the "Two Dannys" appeared on 1389 Blog back in 2007:
Big Yellow Taxi: Christian Pastors, Muslims, and Free Speech in Australia
Baron,
I *have* undertaken such public projects. I know just what you mean.
What would you think about using a master spreadsheet or database, that could be sorted by code.
You might be able to use Google Spreadsheets to display online.
There could be codes for country and a field for violated statute and a field for judicial forum.
Entries could include date of death/charge/indictment/arrested/hearing/trial/conviction/imprisonment/release. The relevant category could be updated as need be.
Codes or fields could run something like:
1 = intentionally murdered by Muslim
2 = randomly killed in terrorist attack
3 = charged
4 = indicted
5 = arrested
6 = hearing
7 = trial
8 = conviction
9 = imprisonment
10 = released
If you used codes, then you can sort on the codes as needed, and display only the limits you desire.
That way you can keep track of extra information, without having to display it all.
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Pim Fortuyn has been silenced.
Permanently.
Freyja --
What I think of a Google spreadsheet is not relevant, since I will not be the one undertaking an expanded list.
I have already set up a relational database for the Roster of the Silenced. The actual design and programming for it are not hard, but data entry, maintenance and the updates on the blog will be time-consuming. I estimate that 100-200 entries will not be too much for me to handle.
I've entered the "Two Dannys", and am working on the people listed above.
Baron,
Another name to add to your roster that seems to qualify for your criteria: Brigitte Bardot. I also noticed other names (a couple of whom I'd not heard of before) listed with her in a recent GOV article:
"Philippe Val, Jussi Halla-aho, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Bardot..."
However, it just occurred to me that your working title for this project, by using the word "Silenced", implies that any individuals who have, in one way or another notwithstanding the often outrageous encumbrances caused by the state, continued to be able to get out their message, would not qualify, strictly speaking. If that is your intent, that's fine. But if not, and you want to include those whom the state is trying to silence but hasn't quite been able to, perhaps another word would be better.
Can Israel be included too?
If yes, story of Tatiana Soskin from Hebron definetely fits.She was convicted of racism, religious offense and being a terrorist - her crime: making a cartoon drawing of Mohammad the Pig and attempt to post it in the city of Hebron .For these crimes she was sentenced to almost a year and a half in jail.
GOV article talks about this case
and Uri Geller's blog tells the story from a different angle (scroll a bit down or search for her name)
Baron,
Here's the link to your blogpost on Susanne Winter, the Austrian legislator.
Here is her German Wikipedia article.
Oriana Fallaci
Hesperado, I think if you started a list, then others could suggest additions to the list in comments. And then the list could be populated by the collective. It would surely grow into an impressive piece of counter Jihad, and could be used to great advantage by those making the case out in the hinter lands. It would also be a great source for those doing research.
Salman Rushdie
DarLink --
Since Israel has implemented statutory sharia for its Muslim citizens, to include it would mean that I could not logically exclude India, Jordan, Egypt, etc. -- all of them would then meet the criteria, since they have parliaments, elections, etc. This would increase the caseload at least into the thousands, which is far more than I can possibly handle.
So I have defined "Western democracies" to exclude states which incorporate sharia into their legal codes. Any state that utilizes sharia cannot possibly comply fully with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The point of all this is that what is being done to the Silenced is a violation of the UDHR, if the UDHR's words have any meaning. But it is not a violation of the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, which is what all sharia-based systems recognize.
I'm certain that Tatiana Soskin's case has merit -- I remmeber it well. But the silenced Copts in Egypt also have merit. If I did this, I would be opening up a can of worms, and it could well overload the project.
Israel may need its own separate special treatment at some point.
Hesperado and Freyja --
Yes, I will be including Brigitte Bardot, Susanne Winter, and Philippe Val -- thank you for reminding me of his name! I had forgotten it. Oriana Fallaci I'm not so sure of -- should I include people who have already died? Unless there are a whole lot of them, I probably should.
There is also a Swede who was arrested for putting up posters of Mohammed and Aisha, whose name I have also forgotten. And there was a Dane who was charged and convicted in a case similar to Lars Hedegaard's. And then there's Mikko Ellilä, the Finnish blogger -- I hadn't forgotten him; I just had to remember his name.
There are also a lot of EDL members who have been charged and/or convicted. I don't know how many, but I expect there are at least a dozen.
But you both seem to be misunderstanding what I am asking for here. I need more than just a name or a link -- I need the particulars as outlined in the post above:
* Name of the silenced person
* Country
* Date of the “offense”, charge, or conviction
* Description of the offense, including a citation of the relevant statute if necessary
* A brief anecdotal account to add context
A link is always a help, too, of course.
The whole point of my calling on the distributed intelligence of our readers is that the load be shared. If I have to look up everything, copy info, and summarize the cases, the job will take much longer, and will be less likely to be completed properly.
Our internet connection is so slow that it sometimes takes a Wikipedia page 4 or 5 minutes to load to the point where I can read the text.
This is why I asked for help. But a link isn't much help, especially if I already know the name of the person. It's still the same amount of work for me to do.
There is no shortage of suggestions of good things for me to do, and some of them are indeed worth doing. But I maxed out my workload a long time ago, so this time I'm thinking of good things for other people to do.
I'm certain that Tatiana Soskin's case has merit -- I remmeber it well. But the silenced Copts in Egypt also have merit. If I did this, I would be opening up a can of worms, and it could well overload the project. -- Baron
Yes. The point is to get one started that will be incomplete, but something to work on and grow. Ive done some broad overviews of products, which are now widely linked as references. They started out pretty meager....but are highly respected now.
Best
EV
If there was a forum with better comments sections, that would help.
Lionheart
Garumit Singh
Channel Four with the Undercover Mosque charges.
EV --
You have evidently not read closely the post or my comment above.
I need more than just names, or even links. To reduce the amount of time this task takes to the point where it is even doable, I need an outline of each case, in the form specified at the bottom of the post.
Someone just sent me the details on the "Dearborn Four". The material was exactly what I needed -- name, place, date of charge, description of the charge, and the disposition of the case. Putting the information into the database was a breeze.
I will post something using the additional material tonight or tomorrow.
D@rLin|{ --
Is that the same Uri Geller who used to bend spoons with his mind in the 70s?
Ill work on some info. Sorry Barron.
Hesperado --
Yep..It is him,The Uri Geller.I was surprised myself.Though he uses phrase "Not bending the truth" in his logo :)
Baron,
I accept your point on "taking too big a bite" from the start of the project as unreasonable and counterproductive.Maybe later you will reconsider...
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