In the comments, a link to a most interesting e-petition appeared:
No to 70 million
The body of the text reads:
Responsible department: Home OfficeThe petition, sponsored by Sir Andrew Green, closes in October of this year. Meanwhile, it remains online, available for signing by eligible citizens. Please scroll to the the bottom of that petition; there is a prominent button leading to the signature page.
Over the past ten years the government has permitted mass immigration despite very strong public opposition reflected in numerous opinion polls. We express our deep concern that, according to official figures, the population of the UK is expected to reach 70 million within 20 years with two thirds of the increase due to immigration. While we recognise the benefits that properly controlled immigration could bring to our economy and society, this population increase, which is the equivalent of building seven cities the size of Birmingham, will have a huge impact both on our quality of life and on our public services yet the public has never been consulted. So we call on the government to take all necessary steps to get immigration down to a level that will stabilise our population as close to the present level as possible and, certainly, well below 70 million.”
This e-petition has received the following response:
This e-petition has reached 100,000 signatures. The Government has notified the Backbench Business Committee in the House of Commons. This e-petition will remain live, and people will be able to continue adding their signatures.
In the meantime, we would like to update you on the Government’s current position on the substance of this e-petition.
“The response to this petition shows that the public feel strongly that immigration is too high and that this government should continue its work to bring numbers under control.
We have made sweeping changes to the immigration system to reduce net migration from the hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands.
We have already introduced a limit on non-EU workers coming to the UK, radically overhauled the student visa system to cut abuse and will shortly be announcing reforms to the family and settlement routes.”
I hope government’s response is accurately told here. It seems too good to be true.
I only wish we had such a mechanism in the U.S.
13 comments:
I hope government’s response is accurately told here. It seems too good to be true.
Trust me, your instinct is right.
Urban11
Whatever the British government and parliament decide, they can do nothing about immigration from other EU countries because of the right of "free movement" within the EU - not for as long as Britain remains an EU member. Each EU member state decides who is entitled to its citizenship, thereby conferring on such citizens (who may, for instance, be people of Romanian descent living outside the EU in Moldova) the right to come and settle in the UK, claiming Social Security benefits.
As British Social Security benefits are much higher than those in Eastern Europe, we may expect a flood of such "Social Security tourists" as the euro currency situation puts more and more people out of work.
This is additional to the large influx of Third World immigrants which successive British governments have deliberately permitted - something which they could have done something about, if they had wished.
Disclosures from the period of Labour government show that this policy had two main motives - to maintain a downward pressure on wages and to create a deliberate, permanent demographic shift in the composition of the population. Traditionally the immigrant vote goes to Labour and there are probably forty or more parliamentary constituencies where the immigrant, particularly the Muslim vote, decides elections.
The introduction of postal voting on demand has placed enrormous power in the hands of heads of households and community leaders in culturally enriched areas. In most cases of electoral corruption which have come to court, there has been a high "Mohammed coefficient" among the accused and convicted. In one case the judge remarked that the envelopes containing voting papers might have well been stamped "steal me".
Well, ultimately the exact mechanism of a petition being effective is that politicians find it in their best interests to comply (or at least pretend to comply) with the demands of their electorate. It should be noted that the U.S. Congress recently backed away from SOPA/PIPA based on widespread opposition to their implementation, and similar results have occurred several times in response to various "immigration reform" efforts to declare amnesty.
The fact is that the severity of problems with Islam in the United States do not compare with the problems in Europe. Thus popular feeling about the issue does not run nearly as deep. The illegal alien problems are simply different, most of those immigrating without the proper legal process are only foreign, rather than wholly alien to U.S. culture (which it itself not strongly rooted in any single well-defined ethnicity).
I personally am glad that the United States has a broader culture even if I think that it could stand a bit more tolerance of local ethnic preservation, and I am also glad that the Islam problem is not an ongoing crisis in the daily lives of most Americans. I would of course rather that the people of the United States were more alert to the dangers on the horizon, but for many of them those dangers really are something on the horizon, not a pressing issue.
Chiu Chun-Ling.
The problem with these e-petitions is that they do not actually mean anything gets done about it. The recent one was regarding leaving the eu. The leaders of the main parties pretty muched forced members of their party to reject a referendum. I think the e-petitions are a bit of a farce, but if a petition gets more than 100,000 signatures, at least it gets a debate in the public arena.
Given that Mr Cameron and his regime came into power in May 2010 with a commitment to reduce immigration to the 10s of thousands rather than the 100s of thousands; and that immigration has continued unabated at the latter high levels, I see no reason to believe that this petition (which I signes some time ago) will have any effect on how the government control who is allowed to come and live amongst us. I believe that all three main parties are determined to increase the number of unwanted third world aliens who are busily destroying our way of life and our national culture. I can only conclude that we are completely infected with socialists/communists in all walks of public life and nothing short of a comprehensive culling of them will restore some level of normality on these shores. They can't be reasoned with, because they are not prepared to change their position through argument and strength of evidence. Nothing will stop them other than force.
It has already garnered a sufficient number of signatories to trigger a debate in the House of Commons. However, the more people who sign it, the better. That said, I suspect that a debate upon the theme of mass immigration will unfortunately not alter current policy, which is to encourage the mass settlement of the UK (particularly England) by outsiders. The Conservative Party supports it out of expediency as it helps their affluent business backers to drive down labour costs; the Labour Party supports mass immigration because immigrants - particularly Muslim and black immigrants - usually vote Labour; the Liberal Democrats support it out of an ideological commitment to open borders. There will perhaps be a couple of dozen MPs genuinely committed to tackling this demographic problem, but their voices are unfortunately likely to be drowned out.
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tux1952 said...
The (British) government will be able to do nothing. Immigration is under the 'control' of the EU. Whatever Cameron says will be complete [rubbish] and the EU will not be mentioned.
When a similar petition to allow the British public a vote on the ghastly E.U. reached one hundred thousand signatures, Cameron's government debated the issue, as was our statutory right, but totally ignored the pleas of the masses in allowing us a referendum, as the outcome was obvious and not acceptable to them....I.E.....Gone in sixty seconds.......
These on-line petitions are vapid, as any of our politicians can amend their meaning at will.
The whole ePetitions business is a charade. For 40 years the UK government has known and admitted that it is out of sync with the electorate on a whole host of issues (immigration, capital punishment, european union). It used to be thought that the Liberal Party wanted proportional representation, and that should they ever get a sliver of power from the two main parties, that electoral reform would follow, and that governmetn would become more responsive and representative. Instead, once they got that sliver of power last year, they showed that electoral reform was not important to them, and threw the issue away.
As the politicians have got even further out of step with the people, the ePetitions was introduced as a pretence that this had not happened.
The UK politicians are all corrupt. They are all working for an agenda that does not suit the British people. And that has been going on for 40 years. The educational system has been dumbed-down, TV has been dumbed-down, the libraries have been dumbed-down, and even the so-called "quality press" has been dumbed-down.
If it wasn't for the internet (something that politicians never planned for, and over which they do not have the control they desire), then we would be going silently into a very bleak future.
The politicians just keep distracting the population with shiny baubles. Their contempt for us knows no bounds.
Such petitions are another bauble. They dangle them in front of us, whilst they do exactly what suits them.
Any nation-state that cannot decide its own immigration policy becomes a province.
I'm amazed at how authoritarian the UK government appears in regard to the EU, what has happened to the home of the 'Mother of Parliaments'?
Politicians are always dangerous when they fix on 'One Big Idea', apparently that's the EU.
The British must be so honored to be lab rats in the world's largest and most ramshackle social engineering project.
Mode 4 immigration, it's coming this way. It'll make current immigration look like child's play.
Even if they ever do limit immigration, sadly the horse has already bolted. We now have tens of thousands of third world benefits claimants in the UK enriching our culture with their own. (e.g. Aside from the Muslims, just see the recent child "witchcraft" torture cases). These also importing the rest of their families and typically having more children than natives do. Even the criminal contingent cannot be deported due to their "human rights". This would need reversing too.
But I suppose first things first: the hole in the ship needs filling, then the water emptied out. Like most commenters her though, I don't hold out much hope for this happening! Vote and promote British Freedom for a chance..
-AF
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