Today’s municipal elections in the Netherlands have made this into yet another Geert Wilders day here at Gates of Vienna. As you all know by now, the PVV came in first in Almere and second in the Hague, the only two municipalities where the PVV fielded candidates.In a flashback to Monday night, here is a video of the election debate in between Geert Wilders of the PVV and Wouter Bos of the PvdA (Socialists). Many thanks to our Flemish correspondent VH for the translation and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
VH has compiled a report on the event, based on articles from Nu.nl and Elsevier:
Wilders winner of TV debate; Socialist Party leader calls Wilders “a threat to society”- - - - - - - - -
According to an internet poll, PVV leader Geert Wilders was the the winner (best debater) in the election debate that was held Monday evening in the Erasmus University in Rotterdam.
The debate really became fierce when the proposition “Islam is a threat to security” was raised during a short one-on-one debate between PVV leader Geert Wilders and PvdA leader Wouter Bos. In it Wilders explained that he views Islam as a threat, and PvdA leader Bos (and his party) as the main culprit for the mass immigration.
The fraction leader of the Socialist Party Agnes Kant [according to Afshin Ellian: “an agressive Bolshevist“] said in a reaction during the debate that it is not Islam, but the PVV of Geert Wilders that is a threat to society. The leader of the PVV, according to her, would not seek solutions, but scapegoats, “and that is life-threatening […] Given the past of the Netherlands it is dangerous to designate scapegoats”.
D66 [liberal-socialists] leader Alexander Pechtold added: “Your politics is a bigger threat than Islam,’’ and spoke of “a xenophobic message”.
HetVrijeVolk linked this article with the title: “The Left is getting ready for the next political murder.”
PvdA leader Wouter Bos “distanced” himself from the remarks of Kant. In his view history would not be needed to make clear that Wilders’ plans are “very unwise”. Bos held it against Wilders that with his positioning he causes Muslims who are cooperative, “to turn away from Dutch society.” Wilders in return blamed the PvdA in Amsterdam for equating gays with liars, and Turkish PvdA members in The Hague for terrorizing the neighborhood there.
The PVV leader received both applause and boos from the audience during his speech, in which he explained that Islam is a violent and totalitarian ideology. He pointed out that relatively many Muslims, and Moroccans in particular, make themselves guilty of violence, intimidation and criminality. He singled out Somalis, saying that they often end up on social benefits. Wilders said that no one from a Muslim country should come to the Netherlands anymore.
The election debate was the last one Geert Wilders contributed to before the elections. The evening before the elections, a number of political leaders [and demonizers such as Maarten van Rossum], met again for a debate in the TV show of the left-wing broadcaster VARA, Pauw & Witteman. This debate is part of the “Festival of Local Democracy”, organized by the PvdA-linked organization bureau BKB [Lennart Booij, Alex Klusman en Erik van Bruggen].
Video transcript
| 00:00.00 | “Islam is a threat to the Netherlands”. On the spot, Wouter Bos and Geert Wilders, Mr. Wilders, | |
| 00:04.00 | Islam forms a threat to Dutch society. Wilders: That is absolutely… | |
| 00:08.00 | true, Islam is a violent and totalitarian ideology… | |
| 00:13.00 | and we have great problems with that, and it also is shoved down our throats by the mass- | |
| 00:17.00 | immigration the PvdA is responsible for. And we see it | |
| 00:21.00 | therefore happen every day again in the Netherlands: | |
| 00:25.00 | Muslim groups, often Moroccans, who have no respect for anyone who is not… | |
| 00:29.00 | a Muslim, be they Jews or Christians, or whoever,… | |
| 00:33.00 | they have no respect for at all. They cause a nuisance, they cause crime,… | |
| 00:38.00 | they cause intimidation and violence. And I say: enough is enough. | |
| 00:42.00 | For the sake of our people we must not allow any more immigrants from Muslim countries. | |
| 00:46.00 | And for those who already are here I say: if you conform to Dutch law and Dutch values,… | |
| 00:50.00 | you are welcome to stay, but if you don’t, then you go to jail… | |
| 00:54.00 | and as far as I am concerned: out of the country. Enough is enough. We must make sure… | |
| 00:58.00 | that Muslims for once finally adept to the Netherlands and not the other way around. | |
| 01:02.00 | What we need is a proud and a safer Netherlands. | |
| 01:06.00 | ||
| 01:10.00 | Wouter Bos, the floor is yours, one minute. | |
| 01:14.00 | Mr. Wilders, in the Netherlands today are Muslim mayors… | |
| 01:18.00 | who arrange gay marriages and Catholic priests who reject gays. | |
| 01:22.00 | That is the reality today. | |
| 01:28.00 | And that means one thing to me: that we should plead for those gays and… | |
| 01:32.00 | defend their freedom against those who want to attack it, whether it is | |
| 01:36.00 | a Muslim or a Christian or an unbeliever. Everyone’s freedom in the Netherlands is worth… | |
| 01:40.00 | as much, and I will always defend your freedom to criticize Islam,… | |
| 01:44.00 | just as much as the freedom of others to profess Islam, provided they comply… | |
| 01:48.00 | with the law. We want a Netherlands where a Muslima can walk on the street… | |
| 01:52.00 | with a headscarf without fear, where gay men can walk the streets… | |
| 01:56.00 | hand in hand without fear, in which Jews can go out with a yarmulke | |
| 02:00.00 | without fear, because that freedom, the freedom from fear, having no fear… | |
| 02:04.00 | is the greatest good what have in the Netherlands. If that is affected… | |
| 02:08.00 | I will be the first to defend it, but for all Dutch. | |
| 02:12.00 | ||
| 02:16.00 | Mr. Bos, I want to start a question, Mr. Bos… | |
| 02:20.00 | Mr. Wilders makes a link between crime and the rise of Islam. | |
| 02:24.00 | Yes, I think we definitely have to do with that,… | |
| 02:28.00 | those are just hard facts, in particular among Turkish and Moroccan youth,… | |
| 02:32.00 | even Antillean youth, there is disproportionately high participation… | |
| 02:36.00 | in criminal activities, I have no idea whether it has to do with the Qur’an… | |
| 02:40.00 | or with headscarves, I don’t think so, it has mainly to do with the failure of parents… | |
| 02:44.00 | who raise boys and girls, and it is mainly boys, often badly. | |
| 02:48.00 | It also often has to do with inadequate police intervention, and… | |
| 02:52.00 | all those areas where we do, we see results, because in the opening video it is said… | |
| 02:56.00 | that bans on assembly don’t help. In Utrecht, in Kanaleneiland, where two years ago | |
| 03:00.00 | an assembly ban was instituted, a year ago it was lifted [Of course…] | |
| 03:04.00 | because the youth [Of course it has to do…] — no, I’ll just finish this — | |
| 03:08.00 | because young people are arrested, but not only arrested,… | |
| 03:12.00 | we put them in school, we prevent them from dropping out, they get an education… | |
| 03:16.00 | and we make something of it. | |
| 03:20.00 | Of course, Mr. Bos, of course it has to do with the… | |
| 03:24.00 | Islamic culture and Islamic ideology, they are… | |
| 03:28.00 | not Hindus or Christians who make the streets of the Netherlands unsafe,… | |
| 03:32.00 | and you want to cut back on police. What is that enrichment of the Netherlands? | |
| 03:36.00 | The polygamy, women circumcision and all those horrible things we have from that:… | |
| 03:40.00 | you facilitate all of that, and we should get rid of it. And you speak | |
| 03:44.00 | with two mouths, Mr. Bos, you read out a very nice text, but simultaneously… | |
| 03:48.00 | let me give you some examples: There is a city councilor of the PvdA | |
| 03:52.00 | in Amsterdam who said ‘homo intercourse is similar’… | |
| 03:56.00 | ‘to lying’. There is a PvdA chapter in Rotterdam-Feijenoord,… | |
| 04:00.00 | where people are intimidated and terrorized by PvdA members… | |
| 04:04.00 | of Turkish origin, and who now need police protection. In your own PvdA… | |
| 04:08.00 | [Ahmed] Marcouch wants Muslim ghettos in Amsterdam and wants… | |
| 04:12.00 | Islamic teaching in public schools; and finally, your party, Mr. Bos,… | |
| 04:16.00 | your party has spread brochures and posters, whatever they say,… | |
| 04:20.00 | in various cities in the Netherlands, in Arabic… | |
| 04:24.00 | not in Dutch. You represent not the Party of the Workers,… | |
| 04:28.00 | but the Party of the Arabs. | |
| 04:32.00 | ||
| 04:36.00 | In a large party such as the PvdA also things go wrong, and we condemn it, and ensure… | |
| 04:40.00 | that it will not happen again. [It still happens] Just as with the PVV an MP… | |
| 04:44.00 | threatened a bartender, must apologize for that [That did not happen] | |
| 04:48.00 | That did not happen. | |
| 04:52.00 | But I am about… What I said happened, what you say did not happen… | |
| 04:56.00 | You should not say such a thing, because no one was threatened, if you have proof, come up with it now | |
| 05:00.00 | But my point is that I think we can move this country forward… | |
| 05:04.00 | if we stop thinking in terms of Muslims and non-Muslims. | |
| 05:08.00 | If [Ibrahim] Afellay [Dutch footballer of Moroccan descent ] this summer kicked us into the world championships in South Africa… | |
| 05:12.00 | that has nothing to do with him being Muslim, just a good footballer. | |
| 05:16.00 | Like Ali B [rapper] must make good jokes, [Ahmed] Aboutaleb must be a… | |
| 05:20.00 | good mayor [Wish he was…] That is what we expect, I want to think… | |
| 05:24.00 | in terms of citizens taking part and behaving properly, and citizens… | |
| 05:28.00 | who do not do that — whatever their religion is, is not my business and I don’t want that. | |
| 05:32.00 | ||
| 05:36.00 | But what you — despite those words — cannot brush away, | |
| 05:40.00 | Mr. Bos, is that non-Western immigrants,… | |
| 05:44.00 | unfortunately often Muslims, are over-represented in crime. | |
| 05:48.00 | Half of the young Moroccans are known to the police in Rotterdam. | |
| 05:52.00 | For crimes, but also for their benefit dependency. | |
| 05:56.00 | Somalis are 23 times more dependent on social benefits, | |
| 06:00.00 | and do you know who pays all that, Mr. Bos? I will tell you: the hardworking Dutch, | |
| 06:04.00 | Henk and Anja are paying for Ahmed and Fatima. | |
| 06:08.00 | ||
| 06:12.00 | But you and I do not disagree about the fact that it is… | |
| 06:16.00 | a great tragedy that criminality and insecurity in the Netherlands remain… | |
| 06:20.00 | disproportionately [But where does it come from?] caused… | |
| 06:24.00 | Your multicultural dream does that, Mr. Bos, it is a big mess. | |
| 06:28.00 | But where I differ from you, is that the people who need most… | |
| 06:32.00 | to do something about that, those are all the Muslims who do well in the Netherlands,… | |
| 06:36.00 | Muslims who already populate all our MBO and HBO education institutes. Those are… | |
| 06:40.00 | our dentists, accountants, mechanics, bakers, and butchers of the future. | |
| 06:44.00 | And if we leave those behind, because you pretend they do not exist, | |
| 06:48.00 | then we can really forget integration. | |
| 06:52.00 | Mister Wilders, I have a short question for you to round up… | |
| 06:56.00 | Mr. Bos — no, I want to comment — those people who do well whether they are Muslim or not,… | |
| 07:00.00 | Those we appreciate too, but you should not deny that the majority,… | |
| 07:04.00 | a lot of those people — look at the statistics — do well, go to The Hague,… | |
| 07:08.00 | go to Gouda, look at what is happening with the mayor of Zaltbommel,… | |
| 07:12.00 | look in Culemborg, unfortunately it is Moroccan thugs ruining… | |
| 07:16.00 | the streets and cities of the Netherlands, and as long as you do not believe that, your party headquarters… | |
| 07:20.00 | is not in Amsterdam, but in Mecca. | |
| 07:24.00 | ||
| 07:28.00 | Mr. Wilders, thugs must be arrested, regardless of their religion,… | |
| 07:32.00 | wherever their parents were born, whatever their color, it is to me… | |
| 07:36.00 | about the problem, and to effectively resolve… [Gentleman, time is up]. | |
| 07:40.00 | We will continue this discussion in plenary, and you still can vote on our website… | |
| 07:44.00 | eenvandaag.nl for the best debater [Wilders was voted best debater] | |
| 07:48.00 |
3 comments:
01:52.00 lots of clapping for headscarves, then sudden stop, for gays and jews
surprise!
Who cares about the Muslim doctors and whatever? I mean, you judge immigration like this. Does Muslim immigration overall benefit the Netherlands or not? The answer is a resounding no. Actually, this stands for most of the immigration in Europe from outside of Europe.
The multiculturalism appartachik would be against not letting 5 million people in the Netherlands to stay on welfare if there's one for them that will be a doctor. It's simple - Morrocans and Muslims aren't a benefit to Europe, they need to be sent home.
What is with the literal face to face debate? Dont get me wrong, I kind of like it. It is really confrontational and can easily separate the men from the boys. But It reminds me of two pugilists posing for a boxing promotional photo.
"In this corner weighing in at 180lbs with his gorgeous blond lockes. The masher or Mecca, Geert "I eat leftists for lunch" Wiiiilders!"
"And in this corner, Nobody knows his weight cause he doesn't want to contribute to "Weightism" the man who never met a cultural enricher he didn't like. Wouter the toffee nose Bosssss!
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